禪定一直在原地踏步怎麼辦? - 冥想,靜坐 Meditation
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at 2010-08-30T18:42
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果汁愛好者的這一段,我覺得其實有呼應到
南懷瑾的"我說參同契"下冊 p.349 無位真人,元關一竅
這提到守竅,
竅,是沒有固定位置的,
Master South 說"你假設它在哪個地方,它就在哪個地方"
接著南先生舉了個例子,就是假如你胃不太好,當你靜坐時,
本能就會注意到那個胃不好的地方,
當注意力集中到那裏時,也就是在守這一竅時,已經無形中在治療了
所以參同契中的"虛懸一穴",說明著竅的位置無所不在,沒有真實固定的位置
依我這個外行人讀這篇的理解,(請容忍我這半瓶水噹噹響)
"守"的意思應該是我們自我在旁觀察生理的自然本能
而那個竅呢? 就讓我們自己身體決定了
至於要用多少的心力(火侯)去觀察,書中提到很多次"勿忘勿助"
我想這應該是答案吧
有錯的地方,盡量更正 :P
※ 編輯: yule1224 來自: 114.32.2.114 (08/30 18:45)
※ 編輯: yule1224 來自: 114.32.2.114 (08/30 18:49)
推 ilanese:這種說法,比較像是這篇第一種後半段的說法: 08/30 19:00
→ ilanese:但氣機發動時,通常是了知即可……也不必去管它如何發展。 08/30 19:02
→ ilanese:至於意念放的深不深,這又是個問題了。 08/30 19:04
→ ilanese:如果你意念放的重的話,就偏向去守那個氣機所造成的感覺了 08/30 19:06
→ ilanese:。 08/30 19:06
→ ilanese:但真正道家在談修道的話,是重視二樓那篇第二種的說法。 08/30 19:07
推 ilanese:身體覺受的干擾:靜坐時身體上種種覺受對靜坐者所造成的干 08/30 19:10
→ ilanese:擾。(但大多數靜坐者並不知道這其實也是一種干擾。) 08/30 19:11
推 ilanese:身體氣機造成的覺受,引起靜坐者移轉注意力於此,也是另類 08/30 19:12
→ ilanese:的攀緣心了。 08/30 19:13
推 ilanese:我另外舉個例子:有時候我在靜坐時,偶爾久久會出現身體自 08/30 19:16
→ ilanese:動旋轉之類的現象,這類經驗有許多次之後,經過我的觀察, 08/30 19:16
→ ilanese:既沒有一些自發動功宣揚者所說的什麼打通氣脈的現象,反而 08/30 19:17
→ ilanese:因為注意力會移轉而攀緣這類現象,而有礙於入靜。所以之後 08/30 19:19
→ ilanese:一出現這種現象,我大都就用意念立即制止。 08/30 19:19
推 ilanese:無論如何,juicelover所說的和一般說的守竅的定義還是不同 08/30 19:22
→ ilanese:的現象,因為一般的守竅方法是死守一竅,而不是因應氣機發 08/30 19:23
→ ilanese:動或運轉而守的。 08/30 19:23
→ yule1224:我覺得這或許可以這樣比喻,就像你守著你深愛的人依樣 08/30 20:28
→ yule1224:不管他(她)怎麼變,就是守(等)著她 08/30 20:29
→ yule1224:我這樣的比喻恰當嗎 (眨眼一下) 08/30 20:30
→ ilanese:樓上…… XD 08/30 20:31
推 juicelover:好吧!說一下守除了守身體上,還守外在一種無形之氣。 08/30 20:42
→ juicelover:這種氣比較難守,因為我動不動就把它抓進來。 08/30 20:42
→ juicelover:難喔難喔。 08/30 20:43
→ ilanese:這極其有為了啦! 08/30 20:43
→ juicelover:就初練意硬抓過。但現在是咻一聲就進來 08/30 20:46
→ juicelover:然後我就發爆啦。但是求靜就要守。因為.... 08/30 20:47
→ juicelover:所以說文字會讓人會錯意。身體上的靜是一亂二平三調 08/30 20:48
→ juicelover:調完之後就是,長時間穩定跟自然突破 08/30 20:48
→ juicelover:無形之氣是在亂中調氣呼應時會發生。 08/30 20:49
→ juicelover:最終還是回歸淨土。 08/30 20:49
→ juicelover:心理上,你身體調完,意念之氣不是出走或是平息。 08/30 20:50
→ juicelover:我還真的不知道怎麼求平靜呀。 08/30 20:50
→ juicelover:因為乃自然發生,初期會這樣,也是兩年前甚麼都不懂 08/30 20:51
→ juicelover:我還把氣抓進來吃掉,有飽啦。那時候比較偏執在形象上 08/30 20:52
→ juicelover:真玄.....。 08/30 20:53
→ ilanese:還是極其有為…… 08/30 20:58
→ ilanese:要不要看看外面聲稱無為法的門派是怎麼說的? 08/30 20:59
推 juicelover:我不會在意啦,只是做任何事有次序,無為也是在有為後 08/30 21:00
→ juicelover:I大看看就好,我的文字拙劣,所以不太可能來個落落長 08/30 21:01
→ juicelover:把我知道的都說的詳盡。 08/30 21:03
→ juicelover:光是悟出這次序,是師傅把我丟在某地方教給我。 08/30 21:04
→ juicelover:也沒說甚麼,我那次做了3個小時以上,出來他看一看 08/30 21:05
→ juicelover:手算一算就說我可以走了。可能師徒間教導就是這樣子, 08/30 21:06
推 juicelover:故事太多.... 08/30 21:08
推 juicelover:我有看過參同契,正面跟背面,之後我也丟一邊。 08/30 21:12
→ juicelover:越南師父都跟我說了,所以我就沒有碰了。 08/30 21:13
→ juicelover:另外說到南的話,師父說他也是很多重點都跳過,故意不 08/30 21:14
→ juicelover:講,我想起來了昨天我有問他南的事嘛 08/30 21:14
推 juicelover:嗯!長知識去囉 08/30 21:18
→ ilanese:第一點和第八點也看看好了。 08/30 21:19
→ ilanese:如果依陳攖寧先生的說法,其實你練的還是氣功…… 08/30 21:19
推 juicelover:我同意,因為師父也這樣講,我在靜上面只是幼稚園 08/30 21:21
→ juicelover:不過我沒辦法進步的原因自己非常清楚。 08/30 21:21
→ ilanese:無為法在氣機發起、運行、歸元的方式一定是以第二種為主。 08/30 21:22
→ ilanese:你的方法都極其有為了。 08/30 21:22
→ juicelover:自然是這樣子,我就等囉。 08/30 21:22
→ juicelover:我也曾反過來過,那種感覺我不會明講,畢竟我還不能隨 08/30 21:23
→ juicelover:心。 08/30 21:23
→ juicelover:自知之明囉。 08/30 21:24
→ mydeargf:看的是一個點 就永遠只有一個點了 08/30 23:59
→ yule1224:陳攖寧這篇挺不錯的 08/31 05:02
推 juicelover:我已經不想說嘴了,就是這樣子,氣感可以形容,但有些 08/31 22:24
→ juicelover:狀況是怎麼也形容不來,我今後仍會把我實踐的經驗po上 08/31 22:24
→ juicelover:但我真的不想討論靜的東西,太虛幻。很無聊的東西 08/31 22:25
→ juicelover:自知者明,本來我就不應該出現在這個地方。 08/31 22:25
→ juicelover:上來玩耍打嘴炮。 08/31 22:25
→ juicelover:有沒有也不是誰說的算。review by youself or none 08/31 22:27
推 juicelover:真的練下去,就練沒有了呀。我講完了。真累。\ 08/31 22:41
→ juicelover:這種就是要花時間解釋卻怎麼又解釋不來的。 08/31 22:41
→ ilanese:別去將自己的狀況去硬套名詞比較好。 08/31 22:47
推 ilanese:有些宗教上或靜坐的專門名詞,已經有一定的意義了,硬套的 08/31 22:50
→ ilanese:話,會造成別人的誤解。 08/31 22:51
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