武術家趙道新訪談:中國武術是沒有前途的 - 武術 Martial Arts

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作者: mgdesigner (機槍設計師) 看板: Warfare
標題: Re: [轉貼]武術家趙道新訪談:中國武術是沒有前途的
時間: Mon Apr 22 15:40:08 2019
※ 引述《midas82539 (喵)》之銘言:
: 這篇文我大概2012年就看過了。沒想到還會一直被農出來....
: 與其看沒有來源真偽不明的托古之作,如果真的有對民初的武術歷史有興趣,你可以
: 找一下王薌齋(1929)《意拳正軌》。我引該書序文一部分:
其實今天看到原轉貼文,覺得有走錯版的感覺....
這應該是「戰史板」,不是拳術板。
姑且不論中國武術有不有效或者是不是謠言農場文,戰爭史上從沒有一場會戰是靠拳打腳
踢決定的。
就那篇文章的內容作討論,就好像以「論凱爾腳刀是不是真的」,來討論美國空軍厲不厲
害XD
要討論中國武術的曾經軍事上的用途,要清楚以下幾點
1.1980以後的中國學院武術體操化,那就是一種體操運動,那是他們國家的問題,不是我
們的
2.真正的中國傳統武術可考的,除了少林僧兵可能可追到南北朝(集有可能是南亞印度武
術影響),其他的最多幾乎都只能到明朝,而且細考下去,真正漢人原發性的武術可能只
有南方的,有很多像是查拳、八極拳等等,其實是穆斯林武術,真正研究下去,會發現其
實很多都是從南亞、西亞傳來的,它們只是在近代被發明成「華人」武術。
: 武術變成詐騙。
: 但問題不只如此,自認獲得真傳的例如作者王薌齋,由於他就是從練肌肉學來的。
: 所以你問他如何練武?他在書中也是會告訴你如何鍛鍊肌力的那套。最多的差別就是
3. 19世紀以前已經有的所謂武術門派包含形意門,其實主要研究的是某種軍事冷兵器的
技術,例如說形意門、八極門、太極門都是研究大槍,他們的本來面貌比較像是地方民兵
團練的「補習班」,所謂的XX拳腳是為了拿兵器的預備訓練,要到冷兵器價值完全沒有以
後,拳腳功夫的價值才被重視,但即便如此,一直到1930年代以前,武藝高低的公開比試
仍然是以比大槍為標竿。
當然這跟現代文人寫作的武俠小說是完全不同的世界觀。
在現在的中國,傳統拳腳武術是否衰落、是不是不能打?那是反應他們國家「弱化」的狀態
,我想這不是戰史版要討論的。
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作者: mgdesigner (機槍設計師) 看板: Warfare
標題: Re: [轉貼]武術家趙道新訪談:中國武術是沒有前途的
時間: Mon Apr 22 15:40:08 2019
※ 引述《midas82539 (喵)》之銘言:
: 這篇文我大概2012年就看過了。沒想到還會一直被農出來....
: 與其看沒有來源真偽不明的托古之作,如果真的有對民初的武術歷史有興趣,你可以
: 找一下王薌齋(1929)《意拳正軌》。我引該書序文一部分:
其實今天看到原轉貼文,覺得有走錯版的感覺....
這應該是「戰史板」,不是拳術板。
姑且不論中國武術有不有效或者是不是謠言農場文,戰爭史上從沒有一場會戰是靠拳打腳
踢決定的。
就那篇文章的內容作討論,就好像以「論凱爾腳刀是不是真的」,來討論美國空軍厲不厲
害XD
要討論中國武術的曾經軍事上的用途,要清楚以下幾點
1.1980以後的中國學院武術體操化,那就是一種體操運動,那是他們國家的問題,不是我
們的
2.真正的中國傳統武術可考的,除了少林僧兵可能可追到南北朝(集有可能是南亞印度武
術影響),其他的最多幾乎都只能到明朝,而且細考下去,真正漢人原發性的武術可能只
有南方的,有很多像是查拳、八極拳等等,其實是穆斯林武術,真正研究下去,會發現其
實很多都是從南亞、西亞傳來的,它們只是在近代被發明成「華人」武術。
: 武術變成詐騙。
: 但問題不只如此,自認獲得真傳的例如作者王薌齋,由於他就是從練肌肉學來的。
: 所以你問他如何練武?他在書中也是會告訴你如何鍛鍊肌力的那套。最多的差別就是
3. 19世紀以前已經有的所謂武術門派包含形意門,其實主要研究的是某種軍事冷兵器的
技術,例如說形意門、八極門、太極門都是研究大槍,他們的本來面貌比較像是地方民兵
團練的「補習班」,所謂的XX拳腳是為了拿兵器的預備訓練,要到冷兵器價值完全沒有以
後,拳腳功夫的價值才被重視,但即便如此,一直到1930年代以前,武藝高低的公開比試
仍然是以比大槍為標竿。
當然這跟現代文人寫作的武俠小說是完全不同的世界觀。
在現在的中國,傳統拳腳武術是否衰落、是不是不能打?那是反應他們國家「弱化」的狀態
,我想這不是戰史版要討論的。
--
https://soundcloud.com/chou-shoichi/enu53jmfrgv3
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