Re: About Efficiency - NBA

Mary avatar
By Mary
at 2004-06-04T02:26

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請問是不是有一種評量球員貢獻的規則,

好像是將助攻算「一分」,籃板算「0.5」分之類的(sorry我不知道確切規則),

將所有貢獻都化成「得分」來衡量,好像有在幾年前的ESPN聽林志隆說過,

那這樣的算法是不是又是另一種衡量貢獻的指標,且稍微有注意到所謂「權重問題」呢?



謝謝各位版友解答 :)



※ 引述《jansia (Ich Liebe Dich)》之銘言:
: 剛剛在NBA 板上面看到有人問合約的價值性,然後上網站查了一查,看到有
: Efficiency 這種可以拿來作為評估一個球員價值的指標..覺得蠻有趣的
: Efficiency Formula:
: ((PTS + REB + AST + STL + BLK) - ((FGA - FGM) + (FTA - FTM) + TO)) / G
: 從上面的式子看來,這個efficiency並不能看出這個球員的專長( 攻擊乎?防守乎
: ?) ,是一個從綜合數據去判斷這個球員的價值的指標,這方面我的想法是:是不是可
: 以粗略的從Efficiency直接看出這個球員價值多少錢?( 當然是粗略的,也就是在等級
: 上面來說;搞不好只能分成:很貴、普通貴、不貴、很不貴之類的吧(笑) )
: 不意外的,在前50名之中,都是一些很出名( 最少我都有聽過啦:p )的球星。不過
: 我現在想說把這個排名跟聯盟薪資排名做做比較;另外還想看看團隊的總Efficiency跟
: 團隊戰績有沒有正相關;看還能不能試著從Efficiency表現裡面簡單的找出薪資被低估
: 的球員... 抱歉,因為要睡覺了,所以啦哩啦雜先把想法記下來一下
: 下面則是聯盟2003-2004 efficiency Leader 的數據
: ( 出自http://www.nba.com/statistics/default_regular_season_leaders/LeagueLea
: dersEFFQuery.html )
: Player G EFF
: 1. Kevin Garnett (Minnesota Timberwolves) 82 33.13
: 2. Tim Duncan (San Antonio Spurs) 69 26.80
: 3. Elton Brand (Los Angeles Clippers) 69 25.01
: 4. Shaquille O'Neal (Los Angeles Lakers) 67 24.93
: 5. Dirk Nowitzki (Dallas Mavericks) 77 24.17
: 6. Tracy McGrady (Orlando Magic) 67 23.75
: 7. Predrag Stojakovic (Sacramento Kings) 81 22.99
: 8. Brad Miller (Sacramento Kings) 72 22.89
: 9. Kobe Bryant (Los Angeles Lakers) 65 22.68
: 10. Shawn Marion (Phoenix Suns) 79 22.44
: 11. Carlos Boozer (Cleveland Cavaliers) 75 22.23
: 12. Andrei Kirilenko (Utah Jazz) 78 21.59
: 13. Jermaine O'Neal (Indiana Pacers) 78 21.55
: 14. Zach Randolph (Portland Trail Blazers) 81 21.02
: 15. Ray Allen (Seattle SuperSonics) 56 20.91
: 16. Sam Cassell (Minnesota Timberwolves) 81 20.67
: 17. Yao Ming (Houston Rockets) 82 20.57
: 18. Paul Pierce (Boston Celtics) 80 20.49
: 19. Jason Kidd (New Jersey Nets) 67 20.45
: 20. Lamar Odom (Miami Heat) 80 20.43
: 21. Kenyon Martin (New Jersey Nets) 65 20.28
: 22. Stephon Marbury (New York Knicks) 81 20.27
: 23. Amare Stoudemire (Phoenix Suns) 55 20.07
: 24. Erick Dampier (Golden State Warriors) 74 20.03
: 25. Donyell Marshall (Toronto Raptors) 82 19.96
: 26. Baron Davis (New Orleans Hornets) 67 19.81
: 27. Ben Wallace (Detroit Pistons) 81 19.78
: 28. Pau Gasol (Memphis Grizzlies) 78 18.96
: 29. Corey Maggette (Los Angeles Clippers) 73 18.93
: 30. Richard Jefferson (New Jersey Nets) 82 18.84
: 31. LeBron James (Cleveland Cavaliers) 79 18.77
: 32. Steve Nash (Dallas Mavericks) 78 18.51
: 33. Marcus Camby (Denver Nuggets) 72 18.49
: 34. Vince Carter (Toronto Raptors) 73 18.38
: 35. Zydrunas Ilgauskas(Cleveland Cavaliers) 81 18.20
: 36. Allen Iverson (Philadelphia 76ers) 48 18.19
: 37. Michael Redd (Milwaukee Bucks) 82 17.99
: 38. Mike Bibby (Sacramento Kings) 82 17.93
: 39. Shareef Abdur-Rahim (Portland Trail Blazers) 85 17.75
: 40. Andre Miller (Denver Nuggets) 82 17.72
: 41. Jamaal Magloire (New Orleans Hornets) 82 17.71
: 42. Kenny Thomas (Philadelphia 76ers) 74 17.54
: 43. Michael Finley (Dallas Mavericks) 72 17.29
: 44. Rashard Lewis (Seattle SuperSonics) 80 17.18
: 45. Antoine Walker (Dallas Mavericks) 82 17.11
: 46. Steve Francis (Houston Rockets) 79 17.10
: 47. Rasheed Wallace (Detroit Pistons) 68 17.09
: 48. Carmelo Anthony (Denver Nuggets) 82 16.87
: 49. Ron Artest (Indiana Pacers) 73 16.84
: 50. Jason Richardson (Golden State Warriors) 78 16.69
: 再下面是聯盟今年薪水排名數據
: ( 出自 http://www.dfw.net/%7Epatricia/misc/salaries04.txt )
: 1. Kevin Garnett (Min) ........ $28,000,000
: 2. Shaquille O'Neal (LAL) ..... $24,749,999
: 3. Rasheed Wallace (Por) ...... $17,000,000
: 4. Allan Houston (NY) ......... $15,937,500
: 4. Chris Webber (Sac) ......... $15,937,500
: 6. Shawn Kemp (Por) ........... $14,941,935 [released 8/20/02]
: 7. Dikembe Mutombo (NJ) ....... $13,626,624 [released 10/4/03]
: 8. Shareef Abdur-Rahim (Atl) .. $13,500,000
: 8. Ray Allen (Sea) ............ $13,500,000
: 8. Vin Baker (Bos) ............ $13,500,000
: 8. Kobe Bryant (LAL) .......... $13,500,000
: 8. Anfernee Hardaway (Pho) .... $13,500,000
: 8. Zydrunas Ilgauskas (Cle) ... $13,500,000
: 8. Allen Iverson (Phi) ........ $13,500,000
: 8. Stephon Marbury (Pho) ...... $13,500,000
: 8. Antonio McDyess (NY) ....... $13,500,000
: 8. Latrell Sprewell (Min) ..... $13,500,000
: 18. Michael Finley (Dal) ....... $13,281,250
: 19. Grant Hill (Orl) ........... $13,279,750
: 19. Tracy McGrady (Orl) ........ $13,279,750
: 19. Jalen Rose (Tor) ........... $13,279,750
: 19. Keith Van Horn (NY) ........ $13,279,750
: 23. Jason Kidd (NJ) ............ $13,152,000
: 23. Jermaine O'Neal (Ind) ...... $13,152,000
: 25. Antonio Davis (Chi) ........ $12,925,000
: 26. Tim Duncan (SA) ............ $12,676,125
: 27. Antoine Walker (Dal) ....... $12,500,000
: 28. Damon Stoudamire (Por) ..... $12,375,000
: 29. Eddie Jones (Mia) .......... $12,333,750
: 30. Brian Grant (Mia) .......... $12,130,648
: 31. Vlade Divac (Sac) .......... $12,051,510
: 32. Nick Van Exel (GS) ......... $11,956,625
: 33. Tim Thomas (Mil) ........... $11,825,000
: 34. Tom Gugliotta (Pho) ........ $11,670,000
: 35. Vince Carter (Tor) ......... $11,326,219
: 35. Antawn Jamison (Dal) ....... $11,326,219
: 35. Dirk Nowitzki (Dal) ........ $11,326,219
: 35. Paul Pierce (Bos) .......... $11,326,219
: 39. Terrell Brandon (Atl) ...... $11,100,000
: 40. Elton Brand (LAC) .......... $10,960,000
: 40. Baron Davis (NO) ........... $10,960,000
: 40. Steve Francis (Hou) ........ $10,960,000
: 40. Shawn Marion (Pho) ......... $10,960,000
: 44. Glenn Robinson (Phi) ....... $10,730,000
: 45. Theo Ratliff (Atl) ......... $10,156,250
: 46. Lamar Odom (Mia) ........... $9,963,596
: 47. Mike Bibby (Sac) ........... $9,500,000
: 48. Kerry Kittles (NJ) ......... $9,266,666
: 49. Dale Davis (Por) ........... $9,061,875
: 50. Toni Kukoc (Mil) ........... $9,056,250
: 51. Greg Ostertag (Uta) ........ $8,666,666
: 52. Gilbert Arenas (Was) ....... $8,536,000
: 53. Jamal Mashburn (NO) ........ $8,525,000
: 54. Jason Terry (Atl) .......... $8,333,333
: 55. Raef LaFrentz (Bos) ........ $8,178,750
: 56. P.J. Brown (NO) ............ $8,000,000
: 56. Andre Miller (Den) ......... $8,000,000
: 56. Wally Szczerbiak (Min) ..... $8,000,000
: 59. Erick Dampier (GS) ......... $7,842,000
: 60. Maurice Taylor (Hou) ....... $7,800,000
: 61. Derek Anderson (Por) ....... $7,794,000
: 62. Wesley Person (Por) ........ $7,700,000
: 63. Alan Henderson (Atl) ....... $7,682,188
: 64. Austin Croshere (Ind) ...... $7,610,000
: 65. Kelvin Cato (Hou) .......... $7,344,000
: 66. Marcus Camby (Den) ......... $7,250,000
: 67. Rashard Lewis (Sea) ........ $7,012,987
: 68. Corey Maggette (LAC) ....... $7,000,000
: 68. Brad Miller (Sac) .......... $7,000,000
: 68. Bonzi Wells (Mem) .......... $7,000,000

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Anthony avatar
By Anthony
at 2004-06-09T00:08
smallworld??

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