martial arts vs martial sports - 合氣道討論

Edith avatar
By Edith
at 2005-09-22T00:15

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講Martial Art 與 Sport的差異 優劣

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Fighting or Playing?The Martial Art vs Sport Debate

By Neil Ohlenkamp

Many people think of Judo and Taekwondo as sports because
they are included along with other major sports in Olympic c
ompetition. Boxing, wrestling, Judo, taekwondo, and kickboxi
ng are examples of martial sports. I often hear martial arti
sts who use the term "sport" as if referring to a game with
no usefulness. The implication is that a sport is only for "
play" and cannot be effective for self defense, fighting or
combat. Many martialartists think that the distinction betwe
en sport and martial art is that martial artists train for r
eal life.

Actually the distinction is more complex and rather surpri
sing. In discussing it I will make generalizations that may
not apply to the way you train in your sport or martial art.
However I hope to give you a new way to look at the potenti
al value of sports principles for martial arts training.

One of the primary differences betweenmartial sports and a
rts is in the valueof the training methods. Because of their
alleged danger or lethality, many martial arts engage in ar
tificial and even counter-productive training which involves
"pulling" techniques, modifying the point of contact, and a
dding in a precautionary element of movement that, rather th
an training the body, can inhibit its natural action and the
ultimate conclusion of a technique. Slow, careful, non-cont
act training is not an effective approach to prepare for act
ual fighting situations that require the opposite reactions.
Typifying this approach is a student who falsely equates th
e ability to breakboards with the ability to punch a person
in the face. As another example, I have never seen realistic
training in throat strikes or eye gouges in any martial art
s class, even though these are often recommended for self de
fense. The teaching generally done for these techniques help
s students to understand what to do, but does not provide ef
fective results for fast, reflexive and accurate application
of these techniques against an unwilling opponent in real l
ife combat.

Sport, by removing some of the potential dangers, achieves
the opposite. That is, sport more typically produces natura
l, fast, reflexive movement with full power application, ach
ieving a result against a struggling opponent who is also ut
ilizing full power while engaging in strategic and tactical
resistance using allof his or her resources and training. Te
chniques that don't work are soon abandoned, and successful
skills are honed against different attackers under a variety
of conditions. Maintaining control in various combat situat
ions, both in attack and defense, is difficult when faced wi
th the unpredictable nature of an opponent's efforts, but fa
cing these situations in contest prepares you for similar si
tuations. Each opponent in competition is operating at the l
imit of physical and psychological skill. By pushing that li
mit contestants are continually realizing and expanding thei
r potential.

Sometimes the "combat" arts substituteintellectual percept
ion, a highly subjective and deceptive frame of reference, f
or genuine training of the body and mind. Some martial arts
don't train effectively for self defense and combat becauset
hey can't train for combat without severe risk to training p
artners. Many martial arts have instead adopted highly styli
zed, ritualistic, and even dysfunctional training methods. I
ronically, martialsports may provide the superior training i
n effective combat techniques becausemartial arts can't be p
racticed in a real life way without injury.

In martial sports, one purpose of competition is to take t
he place of the older shinken shobu (life-and-death fights)
in developing technique, knowledge, and character. You never
see yourself so clearly as when you face your own death. Co
mpetition can provide a safe, controlledglimpse at this kind
of defeat. Fighting spirit can be developed only through fi
ghting. Surely it is not the same as the battlefield, but it
serves a similar purpose, and it is closer to a combat situ
ation than any other form of training.

Of course this can go wrong. Winning and losing can become
too important and start to pervert the training process. Th
e ultimate goal should not be the winning of medals. Using s
port competition as a metaphor for real fighting can be quit
e different from playing it as a game. Matches, along with f
ree practice and sparring, are simply different methods for
training the mind and body to deal with the adversity of fig
hting situations.

Just as non-competitive martial arts training may not prov
ide the benefits of competition, training for sport competit
ion may not provide the full scope of self defense training.
Martial sports often include non-competitive components. Fo
r example, competition is only a part ofthe Judo curriculum,
and Jigoro Kano, the founder of Judo, was very concerned ab
out preserving those self defense techniques that could not
be used with full force in competition. However, Judo remain
s a remarkably effective self defense training, even after t
he development of other modern "combat" methods, and even wh
en Judo is practiced today largely as asport. Jigoro Kano ap
plied modern sporttraining methodology to the traditionalkor
yu jujutsu and found that it produced a better combat art, w
hich has proven itself again and again over the last 120year
s.

Although martial arts and sports both have loftier goals,
it is still a fact that many people train in martial arts pr
imarily for self-defense. For those who have never used spor
t training methods, or those who have never explored traditi
onal bujutsu training, it is easy to discount the effectiven
ess of the other. Asmartial artists we should continually se
ek opportunities to challenge ourselvesby examining the weak
nesses in our training and keeping our minds open to otherme
thods. I encourage you to discover for yourself how "playing
" with a partner in sparring or free practice, or competing
against an opponent in contest, can be an effective method o
f training for self defense


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All Comments

Gilbert avatar
By Gilbert
at 2005-09-22T04:40
推一個! ^^ 請問此篇文章是從何處轉錄的呢?
Kumar avatar
By Kumar
at 2005-09-25T07:59
from http://judoinfo.com/sport.htm
Noah avatar
By Noah
at 2005-09-27T21:48
雖然不是看不懂,但是真的有點懶得去翻譯= =a

Re: 踢打亂取與合氣道

Odelette avatar
By Odelette
at 2005-09-21T00:51
推薦一個網址 這位版友可以去那邊討論 那裡討論的風氣比ptt這邊多 http://www.aikido.com.tw/modules.php?name=Forums ※ 引述《Stormy (彼德洛希卡)》之銘言: : ※ 引述《gregliu (誰)》之銘言: : : 對了,沒記錯的話 日本的養神關系統 ...

Re: 踢打亂取與合氣道

Michael avatar
By Michael
at 2005-09-21T00:33
防身跟打架是否一樣?字義上或許不大一樣,但實際上卻有大量的交集。一個有能 力防身的人或許不是街頭霸王,但他絕對不會「完全不懂打架」。 回到該篇文章,其提到合氣道「不爭鬥」、「天人合一」為合氣道重要的、足以為 傲的特質,個人對這點持存疑的態度,因為「哲學觀」(道主本身的信仰)與「武 ...

Re: 踢打亂取與合氣道

Charlotte avatar
By Charlotte
at 2005-09-20T01:16
※ 引述《fco (五選一 )》之銘言: : 推 MrCafe:最後一段聽起來像是:學合氣道就不可能防身, 09/18 22:41 : → MrCafe:想防身的千萬別學合氣道^O^ 09/18 ...

Re: 踢打亂取與合氣道

Andy avatar
By Andy
at 2005-09-19T23:57
拿合氣道來練防身 就像為機車加了個大鎖 雖然 要幹車當然還是可以 可是卻可以大大的減低偷兒偷車的慾望 而練合氣道的功力 就像大鎖的好壞 越好的鎖 越增加偷兒開鎖的時間 也就是增加他被捕的機率 而用軍警特勤格鬥的方式訓練自己來練防身 就像請了個保鑣來雇車 雖然 車子可以更安全 但自己要花的代價也更大 ...

Re: 踢打亂取與合氣道

Todd Johnson avatar
By Todd Johnson
at 2005-09-19T00:38
※ 引述《fco (五選一 )》之銘言: : 雖然,只過了幾個月的時間,但是最近練習時發生了一些事情,讓我我對 : 是否合氣道需要踢打以及多加亂取的看法,有了很大的改變。以下是我對 : 踢打與亂取在合氣道中的看法。 我的想法是~ 台灣合氣道的練習,餵的招大概跟嬰兒的程度差不多.... ...