Boras on Ellsbury - 美國職棒

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By Xanthe
at 2013-09-06T18:07

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Boras compares Ellsbury to Carl Crawford (and an aircraft carrier)

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The Red Sox have keen interest in re-signing star center fielder Jacoby
Ellsbury, according to people familiar with their thinking. However, Red Sox
connected people are suggesting now that if Ellsbury's market goes well into
the nine-figure arena – and considering their own $142 million deal for Carl
Crawford three winters ago among other comps, it could happen – they aren't
necessarily optimistic that Boston will be able to retain him.

根據對紅襪策略思考熟悉的人表示,紅襪很有興趣和Ellsbury簽約。「不過」,相關人士
表示如果Ellsbury不只進入九位數的世界還進入很深的話─被尻佛$142M毒藥約嚇到的紅
襪再簽約的機會不樂觀。 ($100M數量級)

The Red Sox tried to re-sign Ellsbury sometime before this season, and all
indications are they will try again. The issue is whether they have interest
in getting into a bidding war that could go easily past the $100 million
mark, well past it if you listen to Ellsbury's agent Scott Boras' words
Thursday.

紅襪在季前試圖重簽,而各方消息也指出紅襪會再試一次。但是照著Boras的說法,無論
紅襪有沒有意願加入搶人大戰,總價碼都會遠超過九位數大關。

Boston had huge success dealing last winter in what's been dubbed the “
mid-range” market, scoring big with its deals for Shane Victorino, Mike
Napoli and others, and that strategy may be weighing on them. It's no
surprise there are people within the Red Sox hierarchy who aren't anxious to
return to the $100 million-plus type deals that haven't always paid off for
them.

上一個冬天紅襪在「中階市場」中打了漂亮的一仗,Shane Victorino、Mike Napoli等人
成了策略中的主角。所以出現認為不急著去和不見得成功的$100M等級球員簽約的紅襪人
也不令人意外。

Boras, in an interview with CBSSports.com, made clear what he thinks of the “
mid-range” market strategy and where he thinks Ellsbury stands, saying, “
Free agency is like the Navy. You can have a number of mid-range missiles,
but they only work as long as you have the aircraft carrier to put them on.”

Boras在CBSSports.com的訪談中聲明他對「中階市場策略」以及Ellsbury價值的想法:
「自由球員就向海軍,你可以擁有一些中程飛彈,但是那要有航母來載才有用。」

"I think any team would say in a perfect world they would stick to
shorter-term deals," Red Sox general manager Ben Cherington said Thursday.
"There's always exceptions. We obviously made an exception in [Dustin]
Pedroia's case."

Ben Cherington在今天提及:「我想任何一支球隊都只想短約,只是總是有例外。顯然
小派就是其中一個例子。」

The Red Sox gave Pedroia an eight-year, $110 million deal when they signed
him to an extension in July.

紅襪在七月跟小派簽了一紙八年、$110M的合約。

The implication in Boras' comment is that Ellsbury is an aircraft carrier.
While some may not view him as a mega star, as Boras pointed out he is a
former winner of a Gold Glove award and a Silver Slugger who's again leading
his league in stolen bases.

Boras的「暗示」中,Ellsbury就是航母。雖然一些人不認為他是巨星,不過Boras表示
他可是前金手套得主、銀棒獎得主而且今年再度成為盜壘王領先者。

Some may point to Ellsbury's inability to get back to the slugging form of
2011, when he led the American League in total bases and finished second in
MVP voting to Justin Verlander despite the Red Sox's historic collapse, but
Boras points to Ellsbury's many attributes in positioning him as a major star
in this marketplace, specifically noting his ability to steal 50 bases, score
100 runs and post a .750-plus OPS.

一些人認為Ellsbury再也無法像2011年那樣幹球─那年壘打數美聯第一,而且雖然身處黑
暗的2011年卻依然拿到MVP第二名─但是Boras表示他的各種貢獻讓他在市場上擁有巨星地
位,特別是50盜能力、得分100分以及超越.750 OPS的組合。

A couple executives on other teams mentioned B.J. Upton, who got a $75.2
million, five-year deal, as a possible free-agent comp, but that may be a
management-leaning guess considering Upton's lack of consistency and low
batting averages even before this year. (Yet other execs say they believe
he'll indeed get nine figures).

一些他隊經理表示Ellsbury可能會像B.J. Upton一樣拿到五年$75.2M,但是那可能是帶隊
考量的猜測─因為Upton穩定性不佳,打擊率也不高。(也有其他人說九位數正常)。

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在此補充Mark Polishuk的文章 http://t.co/WTW6wQFUGm

Some executives tell Heyman that Ellsbury could be in line for a
five-year/$75MM deal like B.J. Upton while others think the Boston outfielder
will indeed crack the $100MM mark. My guess is that Ellsbury seems like a
lock for a $100MM+ contract on the open market this offseason due to both his
talents and because this winter's free agent outfielder market is rather
slim. MLBTR's Tim Dierkes has had Ellsbury rated no lower than third
throughout his 2014 Free Agent Power Rankings since the season began, and
Ellsbury has claimed the No. 2 position (behind only Robinson Cano) for the
last two months.

有些經理告訴Heyman說Ellsbury會拿到B.J. Upton等級的約,有些則說會拿超過$100M─
尤其是他有一定的天份,更重要的是今年的外野手市場很小。Tim Dierkes在2014的FA
Power Rankings中從沒把Ellsbury放到前三名之外,近兩個月更是都在第二名(輸Cano)。

I used the Crawford deal as a comparison myself when I examined Ellsbury as a
possible extension candidate back in March 2012. At the time Ellsbury was
coming off the best season of his career -- a .321/.376/.552 slash line, 32
homers, 39 steals, 119 runs scored and a league-leading 364 total bases.
Since then, Ellsbury has hit .287/.340/.403 with just 12 homers over 941 PA,
though his 2012 season was limited to only 74 games due to injury.

2012年三月時,我個人用尻佛來比價,當時Ellsbury剛打出生涯年:.321/.376/.552、
32轟、39盜、119分以及聯盟第一的364TB。2012年因為受傷只打74場(941PA);成績縮水
到.287/.340/.403、12轟。

My proposal at the time was a seven-year, $133MM deal between Ellsbury and
the Red Sox that would have covered Ellsbury's 2013 season and his first six
free agent years. Ellsbury hasn't kept up the power since then and he turns
30 years old next week. As we saw with Michael Bourn (another Boras client)
last offseason, teams are hesitant to give major deals to speed-centric
players entering their thirties.

那時我的建議是七年$133M,涵蓋了今年球季以及接下來的六年。Ellsbury之後並沒有拿
出一樣的砲瓦出來,而我們也能看到Michael Bourn(也是Bora$客戶)上季的狀況,各隊
對於要不要簽下以速度為主的30歲球員感到相當遲疑。

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Boras, meantime, suggested that not only is Upton not in the ballpark but
that even Crawford comes up short as a player, as well. Jayson Werth's $126
million, seven-year deal may help Ellsbury's case, too, but Crawford is the
one who seems obvious to mention since he's a speed player like Ellsbury, and
more to the point, that was Boston's own deal.

不過Boras表示Ellsbury跟Upton不同等級,尻佛也比不上Ellsbury。Jayson Werth的七年
$126M似乎可以拿來參考,不過尻佛跟Ellsbury一樣都是以速度為主的外野手,而且都是
紅襪的球員。

“Two things separate Ellsbury [from Crawford]. Carl Crawford was never
proven as a leadoff hitter, and Carl Crawford is not a center fielder,''
Boras said. “They are two different animals. It's not a consideration
because he's a corner outfielder. Just think if Carl Crawford could play
center field.”

「兩人不同的地方在於:尻佛並沒有證明他能穩坐首棒打者,而且他不是中外野手、是左
外野手。想像一下如果尻佛可以站CF的情形。」Boras說道。

Boras went on to mention a few other differences between Ellsbury and
Crawford.

“Carl Crawford never had success in Boston. And he never won a ring in
Boston,'' Boras said. Plus, "Crawford never hit twenty home runs, and Jacoby
hit 30," Boras added.

「尻佛不曾在紅襪取得成功、不曾在波士頓拿過戒指,還有尻佛從沒單季20轟過,而
Ellsbury打過30支。」

Boras also said that Ellsbury's "ceilings" of 30 homers (32 to be precise)
and 70 stolen bases, though done in different years, are "unheard of." Plus,
Boras pointed out that Ellsbury's .927 steal percentage this year ranks among
the best alltime for someone with 50 attempts, and that few of the best best
basestealers have been center fielders.

Boras還說Ellsbury的「天花板」是30轟70盜,這是從沒看過的事情。(不過這兩個紀錄
不是在同一年),還有超過50盜的球員中,Ellsbury擁有最高的.927成功率;更重要的是
很少有頂尖盜壘者是中外野手。

Ellsbury won a ring with the Red Sox in 2007, hitting .438 in the World
Series with a 1.188 OPS, and his overall career postseason average is .261.

2007年世界大賽中Ellsbury繳出.438打擊率、1.188 OPS的成績;生涯季後賽打擊率.261。

It's been quite a positive run for him in Boston. But it's quite possible he
may not be so long for Boston.

Ellsbury在紅襪的表現很優異,但也有可能要告一段落了。

Word is that owner Red Sox John Henry, who just saved himself some money with
the eminently reasonable deal for star second baseman Pedroia, very much
likes Ellsbury, and Ellsbury is said to have interest in staying, as well.
But like usual it may come down to dollars and cents.

剛從小派合約省下不少錢的John Henry表示他很喜歡Ellsbury,而Ellsbury也有續留意願
。不幸的是最後通常由錢決定結果。

It isn't known what Boston's offer was last winter, but Boston's baseball
executives are said to continue to see merit in their “mid-range” winter
strategy of a year ago, which is no surprise since it's helped catapult them
into first place after their rough 2012 season.

現在仍不清楚紅襪上次給的合約內容,不過據說紅襪有意延續今年靠著「中階」市場得到
成功的策略。今年如此的成功,會延續這種策略不令人意外。

And Boston honchos seemed to be preparing for the possibility of losing
Ellsbury when they held tight to center field prospect Jackie Bradley Jr. at
the trade deadline. They instead traded shortstop Jose Iglesias quite
possibly in part because of their worries about an Ellsbury defection. One
Boston-connected person said he believes Bradley is even better in center
than Ellsbury, though it's obvious Bradley is as yet unproven as a
major-league hitter.

還有紅襪也已經準備好Ellsbury走時的備案─Jackie Bradley。他們選擇交易掉鷹俠,正
是因為怕失去Ellsbury。有些紅襪相關人士甚至相信JBJ比Ellsbury更優,雖然他還是個
尚未證明身手的菜鳥。

The one knock on Elllsbury, other than he's showed big power in only one
year, has been about his ability to stay healthy. But while he's missed
significant time in two seasons, Boras pointed out that his injuries were
related to freak mishaps.

除了砲瓦只在一年出現之外,另一個疑慮是健康問題。但雖然他有兩季缺賽很久,但
Boras指出那是意外。

“He has the genetics, like Johnny Damon. He's a durable player,” Boras
said. “The only [significant] injuries he's had are collision injuries. They
were due to exterior forces.”

「他有著像Damon一樣的基因,他是個耐操的球員。他受到的大傷都是因碰撞造成的─都
是外力。」

Speaking of exterior forces, the issue ultimately will be about the
marketplace.

說到外力,這個問題最終會影響市場價值。

Ellsbury hasn't hurt himself with a typical season at age 29; he's hitting
.296 with eight homers, 51 stolen bases, 88 runs and a .775 OPS. Those are
very close to his career averages. His career percentages are .297 and .788,
and in his three previous full seasons, he's averaged 104 runs, 53 stolen
bases and 16 home runs (including his big 2011).

Ellsbury在典型的球季(29歲,今年)時沒有受傷,他打出.296、八轟、51盜、88分以及
.775 OPS,這跟生涯平均(.297 BA, .788 OPS)很接近;過去三個完整球季的平均則是
104分、53盜、16轟。

The market should aid Ellsbury since many teams are awash in cash following
another profitable year, and few stars populate the marketplace. After
free-agent gem Robinson Cano, Ellsbury is seen as the player likely to land
the next biggest contract. Among outfielders, there isn't a deep roster but
rather a select few stars, including also Shin-Soo Choo, Hunter Pence, Nelson
Cruz, Carlos Beltran and Curtis Granderson.

Ellsbury的市場價值應該會隨其他球隊的搶奪而水漲船高,也少有球員能爭搶他的市場地
位;Ellsbury很有可能成為第二貴的FA( < Cano);剩下的外野手FA只有Shin-Soo Choo,
Hunter Pence, Nelson Cruz, Carlos Beltran and Curtis Granderson。

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High baseball IQ. Xander
Smooth, fluid swing. Bogaerts
Elite batspeed. #01
Strong and explosive hands.
Above-average-to-better power ceiling, potential 30 home run bat.

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All Comments

Edward Lewis avatar
By Edward Lewis
at 2013-09-07T14:34
推 所以Ells會不會續留還是得看吸血鬼的牙齒會有多尖銳
Elizabeth avatar
By Elizabeth
at 2013-09-12T10:48
133M? 100M都要考慮了
Jake avatar
By Jake
at 2013-09-13T09:40
簡單的說門檻是100M 我只能說要唱分手快樂了么
Eartha avatar
By Eartha
at 2013-09-15T17:17
科科 前車之鑑就在不久前
Jack avatar
By Jack
at 2013-09-17T15:10
在打個幾年100RBI的話給他沒差 QQ
Frederica avatar
By Frederica
at 2013-09-21T04:27
要133M 短約買個Carlos Beltran等雜魚長大吧
Sierra Rose avatar
By Sierra Rose
at 2013-09-21T09:02
不然也可以試試韓籍大槍
Leila avatar
By Leila
at 2013-09-25T00:09
如果是Upton等級的約就好了
Olga avatar
By Olga
at 2013-09-25T13:03
價碼要求太高的話,以目前紅襪外野的人手應該沒必要簽
Elma avatar
By Elma
at 2013-09-28T21:13
Let us see
Una avatar
By Una
at 2013-10-02T06:34
問題就出在開了先例簽尻佛那個爛約
Emma avatar
By Emma
at 2013-10-02T11:42
不論還有沒有power明顯比尻佛好的Ells就變的怎麼開都尷尬
Damian avatar
By Damian
at 2013-10-04T02:28
秋信守也是Boras的客戶,川叔不知道還是嗎,如過Cano沒
Annie avatar
By Annie
at 2013-10-08T19:14
換經紀人,今年野手頂級貨都是他的客戶
Rebecca avatar
By Rebecca
at 2013-10-10T18:53
這季末沒那市場啦 這記者是出名的Boras發話筒
Kumar avatar
By Kumar
at 2013-10-14T09:21
1. Pedroia合約擺在那 2. JBJ MLB ready (不要酸我)
Tracy avatar
By Tracy
at 2013-10-14T22:20
躲人天使沒位置、洋基沒錢,紅襪進可攻退可守
Rebecca avatar
By Rebecca
at 2013-10-19T04:41
開個 5yrs/$80M 就很誠意了
Regina avatar
By Regina
at 2013-10-22T20:00
有尻佛的前車之鑑 還會用超過9位數簽一個腿哥嗎?
況且底下還有一個JBJ
Regina avatar
By Regina
at 2013-10-24T17:32
超過小派就沒簽的價值了
Agnes avatar
By Agnes
at 2013-10-29T12:14
我想知道過9位數哪隊會簽?
Hedy avatar
By Hedy
at 2013-11-02T09:39
5Y 90M差不多....
Hedy avatar
By Hedy
at 2013-11-05T06:08
呃 我打錯了 應該說用九位數簽
Megan avatar
By Megan
at 2013-11-06T09:35
JBJ有ready嗎
Gilbert avatar
By Gilbert
at 2013-11-11T00:57
別忘了JBJ沒打過3A 開季是從2A直升..不是每個人都練武奇才..
Christine avatar
By Christine
at 2013-11-13T18:24
回去3A練等後 374PA .275/.374/.469 這不是相當差的數字...
Linda avatar
By Linda
at 2013-11-13T22:31
當然會希望Ellsbury能留下來,但價碼太高的話也只好忍痛了
Olivia avatar
By Olivia
at 2013-11-17T14:52
90/5真的可以考慮..看他本人願不願給Hometown Discount
Lily avatar
By Lily
at 2013-11-20T18:14
應該所有襪迷都希望Ellsbury留下,但之前慘痛教訓時再讓人
映象深刻...所以如果太大張真的只好說再見了
Todd Johnson avatar
By Todd Johnson
at 2013-11-20T19:16
尻佛的約是Theo簽的 不影響現在的報價 可惜歸可惜
David avatar
By David
at 2013-11-24T19:10
但襪子的確沒有非簽小帥哥的壓力在 30歲的腿哥 九位數太多了
Olivia avatar
By Olivia
at 2013-11-28T00:40
洋基開再高一定得跟......其他隊就算了...感覺留不住QQ
Elizabeth avatar
By Elizabeth
at 2013-11-30T02:39
貴森森的話 球團不要腦衝
Edward Lewis avatar
By Edward Lewis
at 2013-12-05T02:10
超過小派的合約 連考慮都不用考慮直接放走吧
Vanessa avatar
By Vanessa
at 2013-12-06T17:30
對付波拉斯這種吸血鬼 就是讓他有行無市
Hamiltion avatar
By Hamiltion
at 2013-12-08T23:01
洋基不太可能會開天價搶他 略高Upton的約就很有誠意了
Cara avatar
By Cara
at 2013-12-09T07:35
雖然喜歡他但看來留不下囉!!今年沒那麼可怕但相當稱職
Vanessa avatar
By Vanessa
at 2013-12-11T03:02
而且他第一棒真的打得不錯
Robert avatar
By Robert
at 2013-12-13T18:29
Ellsbury真的是好球員,但是這文章也吹的太誇張了吧XD
John avatar
By John
at 2013-12-18T18:02
其實他的替代不是JBJ 是夏威夷人
Kelly avatar
By Kelly
at 2013-12-22T07:10
今年Victorino打成這樣 不可能給Ellsbury超過1億鎂
Kumar avatar
By Kumar
at 2013-12-22T15:59
OF Victorino, Nava, Gomes, JBJ, Carp 還是有競爭力
John avatar
By John
at 2013-12-23T19:00
季末抓個1-2支可以扛第八局的牛還比較實在
Emily avatar
By Emily
at 2013-12-26T07:22
要我說的話,80/5就是極限。我們備案超多。最直接的JBJ不
論,Brentz上來搶個位,夏威夷人移到CF也可以
Vanessa avatar
By Vanessa
at 2013-12-28T03:14
今年雜魚NAVA打成這樣,難道不值得給他一個位置試試?假設
真的給他位置,那難道JBJ要繼續蹲3A?
Andrew avatar
By Andrew
at 2013-12-30T21:07
以客觀角度看,紅襪跟本在談判桌上有絕對優勢
Delia avatar
By Delia
at 2014-01-03T18:36
75/5能接受嗎? 他的炮瓦也是忽大忽小 速度守備上壘的腿
Jacob avatar
By Jacob
at 2014-01-06T05:49
雖然明知道外野人超多 但還是希望他能留下來XD
Kelly avatar
By Kelly
at 2014-01-10T05:22
推!! 感覺會想要100M以上的約..
Catherine avatar
By Catherine
at 2014-01-11T23:21
給30的腿哥100M失敗率太高了 即使很喜歡小帥哥
Edwina avatar
By Edwina
at 2014-01-13T04:30
哄抬價格不可取 如果非要那麼貴也沒辦法了
只好跟他說再見
Belly avatar
By Belly
at 2014-01-13T14:48
如果Ells願意接受105M/7y倒是有可能
Doris avatar
By Doris
at 2014-01-14T10:22
80/5 就是極限了.
Ivy avatar
By Ivy
at 2014-01-14T18:26
任何東西 over 6年或是 over 100M, 就是沒有任何可能性
Hardy avatar
By Hardy
at 2014-01-16T18:13
紅襪是說多太多才不太可能
Ivy avatar
By Ivy
at 2014-01-18T22:32
感覺會落在110~120M
Kama avatar
By Kama
at 2014-01-19T02:45
7Y/105M實在沒有不簽的道理,Peddy的約也是>6Y和>100M啊
Franklin avatar
By Franklin
at 2014-01-22T23:33
紅襪去年在中階市場的成功不等於他們會在留人上變得吝嗇
Kristin avatar
By Kristin
at 2014-01-26T02:12
就算有Boras卡著,Ellsbury再怎麼說也是自家農場的臉之一
Mia avatar
By Mia
at 2014-01-30T01:16
我覺得Peddy能長約部分原因是因為他在休息區不可取代的功能
Rae avatar
By Rae
at 2014-01-30T10:37
我覺得nava可以補外野的位置 不一定一定要簽小帥哥吧
Charlotte avatar
By Charlotte
at 2014-01-31T14:04
而且CF又有兩個人可以補 幹嘛冒險給Boras薛
Jack avatar
By Jack
at 2014-02-03T19:09
簽啦 後悔的話再賣給道奇
Jake avatar
By Jake
at 2014-02-06T12:54
我不覺得Ellsbury的位置有這麼容易補上,JBJ畢竟還沒證明熟了
Vic不一定每年都打得像今年,更有可能回歸生涯平均
Olive avatar
By Olive
at 2014-02-08T10:09
Nava....誰都知道他防守不是很好 + 跑壘很有問題 XDDD
Cara avatar
By Cara
at 2014-02-10T19:08
紅襪有本錢跟Boras談且不那麼容易被薛,更該盡全力留下Ells
Daph Bay avatar
By Daph Bay
at 2014-02-11T00:04
道奇專收紅襪球員 簽啦簽啦?
Oscar avatar
By Oscar
at 2014-02-14T20:20
而不是自恃魚塭有人補就輕易放自家養出的本季第二大尾FA出走
Linda avatar
By Linda
at 2014-02-17T06:29
我們又不是小市場球隊,沒必要非得去吞小市場被迫得吞的苦
Lydia avatar
By Lydia
at 2014-02-21T18:30
要留也要看價碼 Boras又不是吃素的
Ina avatar
By Ina
at 2014-02-24T14:40
有錢球隊放大約搞死自己的例子也不少
Gary avatar
By Gary
at 2014-02-24T21:10
對,要看價碼,但還沒談就覺得跟Boras談就是在冒被他薛的險
那是還要談甚麼
Quanna avatar
By Quanna
at 2014-02-26T23:35
你覺得他簽下小派那種約的可能性高嗎?
Oscar avatar
By Oscar
at 2014-02-28T18:04
Peddy 簽七年有部分原因是他的健康度,Ellsbury 簽超過六年
Isabella avatar
By Isabella
at 2014-03-02T06:28
對外野太樂觀了吧 少了Ells哪這麼好補
Charlotte avatar
By Charlotte
at 2014-03-03T19:22
風險實在很大,肩膀動過刀不是開玩笑的。
Agnes avatar
By Agnes
at 2014-03-08T17:15
Ellsbury 是不好補,但也別把 JBJ 想的太差,參考一下 06 年
Yuri avatar
By Yuri
at 2014-03-09T16:54
Damon 的 case,簽超過六年風險很大
Kyle avatar
By Kyle
at 2014-03-14T15:07
只要開個有誠意價碼/年數 續不續簽是對方的問題. 而不是喊
Odelette avatar
By Odelette
at 2014-03-17T14:02
100就要給100 有哪些球隊有欠位置給的起100綁個第一棒
Faithe avatar
By Faithe
at 2014-03-21T01:48
除非再簽了別的外野 不然這外野實在太淺了 vic nava JBJ光
Leila avatar
By Leila
at 2014-03-22T02:58
這樣風險很大 我們不是什麼重建或幾年破一次五成會滿足的
球隊吧 要求高點是對的
Puput avatar
By Puput
at 2014-03-24T11:14
Boras開價一定很高 不用肖想什麼佛心約了 八成會要到6y+
有CC的前車之鑑 只希望不是下個噩夢的開始
Ethan avatar
By Ethan
at 2014-03-28T06:27
最後如沒簽到 怎麼可能不找備胎...
Agatha avatar
By Agatha
at 2014-04-02T02:53
就尻佛那個智障合約啊
一切都給那廢物合約整組毀了了
Olivia avatar
By Olivia
at 2014-04-04T12:54
退化再賣給道奇XDDDDDDDDD
Linda avatar
By Linda
at 2014-04-06T15:44
要補外野也是要外野砲 CF夏威夷人跟JBJ都能頂
Madame avatar
By Madame
at 2014-04-06T16:45
Victorino,JBJ,Ells都是同功能類型的 幹嘛去追明知很貴
Kama avatar
By Kama
at 2014-04-08T22:22
的? 如果ELLS便宜願意佛心當然令幫別論 但可能性又不高
Charlotte avatar
By Charlotte
at 2014-04-09T06:12
夏威夷人跟JBJ有不確定性 Ells也有啊
Zora avatar
By Zora
at 2014-04-09T12:54
我們能幹砲的確實不多 只有老爹20HR以上
Ursula avatar
By Ursula
at 2014-04-09T13:57
ELLS要5年以上風險太大 雖然他很棒
Emily avatar
By Emily
at 2014-04-11T09:30
今天Gardner的三壘安打 如果是小帥哥守 不知道會不會接到
Enid avatar
By Enid
at 2014-04-12T09:43
又到了理性與感性的時間了
Faithe avatar
By Faithe
at 2014-04-16T22:05
就說別爭了,年底要換怪力史進來了
Ina avatar
By Ina
at 2014-04-17T22:22
Ells的穩定性比其他人都高很多吧...
Kelly avatar
By Kelly
at 2014-04-18T01:48
JBJ連實績都沒有,根本不算即戰力,說Nava我還能接受
Tristan Cohan avatar
By Tristan Cohan
at 2014-04-19T06:04
JBJ 3A數據又不會差到哪 再說夏威夷人風險會高到哪
Jack avatar
By Jack
at 2014-04-22T22:54
夏威夷人 OPS 0.75以上就夠用了 而且兩個人都便宜
ELLS又不是沒風險 加上要大約 運氣不好100M的投資
Anthony avatar
By Anthony
at 2014-04-24T12:05
可能泡湯 這樣不是賭很大嗎?
Sandy avatar
By Sandy
at 2014-04-26T14:46
3A再好有用嗎?
Ula avatar
By Ula
at 2014-04-27T10:47
我不會覺得3A成績是實績
Donna avatar
By Donna
at 2014-04-29T18:12
這兩年免洗筷都打超好的,但我不敢奢望會一直這樣下去
Emma avatar
By Emma
at 2014-04-29T21:01
100M內我都能接受,最好就70~80M
Caroline avatar
By Caroline
at 2014-05-03T09:07
3A數據起碼是參考的數據 你當JBJ幾歲?
Susan avatar
By Susan
at 2014-05-06T15:02
一定要等JBJ打不出來,夏神回到生涯平均,再找隻CC來簽?
Hardy avatar
By Hardy
at 2014-05-10T00:27
有沒有砲只是爽度問題,我沒有很在意
Candice avatar
By Candice
at 2014-05-11T15:25
沒有不讓JBJ打阿,我是說他風險最高,mature的風險
Kelly avatar
By Kelly
at 2014-05-13T16:44
再說CC在光芒威那麼多年 那麼多年的實績 還不是鳥掉?
Yedda avatar
By Yedda
at 2014-05-18T06:20
你願意花多少AB給他,養不養的起來都是風險
Xanthe avatar
By Xanthe
at 2014-05-22T16:07
23歲 3A數據又漂亮 又有夏威夷人 兩個CF候選人不夠用嗎
Todd Johnson avatar
By Todd Johnson
at 2014-05-25T21:48
我想一直拿CC來舉例的話,那只能期待市場上永遠有好用的免
洗筷
Edith avatar
By Edith
at 2014-05-26T23:16
偏偏選個要價100M的 也不是沒風險 這不蠢嗎?
BJ Upton?????
Robert avatar
By Robert
at 2014-05-28T20:26
如果照你們這樣想 ELLS跟小派當年是新秀的時候根本沒
機會出頭
Freda avatar
By Freda
at 2014-06-02T14:43
我覺得是equivocal啦,沒有覺得哪個比較好,哪個比較蠢
Edward Lewis avatar
By Edward Lewis
at 2014-06-06T22:44
至少有拉上來練過啊..
William avatar
By William
at 2014-06-11T08:55
JBJ打不出來又沒賠到什麼 賠年薪40萬美跟100M哪個高啊?
而且你們一直忽略夏威夷人 他實績又不少又能佔CF
Andrew avatar
By Andrew
at 2014-06-15T03:14
打不出來 然後呢 還不是另外要再找人
Susan avatar
By Susan
at 2014-06-15T20:17
賠上AB和買球員被坑的風險
Rachel avatar
By Rachel
at 2014-06-19T10:12
再多花一次錢 然後又一個風險
你不能期待他每年都跟今年一樣
Kama avatar
By Kama
at 2014-06-20T00:37
只要OPS不要低於0.74~0.75就可
那你覺得JBJ跟夏威夷人同時鳥掉機率高嗎? ELLS難道風險
又很低了?
Emma avatar
By Emma
at 2014-06-21T01:12
我們論點不同之處 在於我願意把風險賭在Ells身上
沒甚麼好爭了 看球團決定吧
Frederica avatar
By Frederica
at 2014-06-25T06:34
請有"期望值" 概念
Olivia avatar
By Olivia
at 2014-06-26T01:17
真的倒楣到JBJ跟夏威夷人都鳥掉就到時候再找人就好了
Liam avatar
By Liam
at 2014-06-26T05:49
結果都還不知道JBJ是否會鳥掉 夏威夷人打出生涯年然後
就去預設他未來可能會下滑 兩個這麼好的便宜備胎不用
Brianna avatar
By Brianna
at 2014-06-27T18:54
我的想法是買OF,所以我想要兩個穩定的OF應該不為過吧
JBJ鳥掉,你就只剩下兩年約的Vic和一直捉摸不定的Nava
Zanna avatar
By Zanna
at 2014-06-29T23:07
就先去花大錢買名牌 這...
對啊 那夏威夷人不穩定嗎? JBJ也才23歲3A又嚇嚇叫啊
Daph Bay avatar
By Daph Bay
at 2014-07-03T01:42
老實說 我不覺得我們沒有簽Ells的空間 2者不衝突阿
Steve avatar
By Steve
at 2014-07-06T03:00
這名牌至少是自己產的
Zanna avatar
By Zanna
at 2014-07-08T11:46
兩年的時間很短嗎?
Quintina avatar
By Quintina
at 2014-07-11T05:54
萬一JBJ沒養起來,兩年後你OF就歸零了
Ina avatar
By Ina
at 2014-07-14T10:00
紅襪很明顯又不是走了ELLS就沒人頂CF 你一直提NAVA
難道NAVA站CF嗎?
Freda avatar
By Freda
at 2014-07-14T14:42
啊 就兩年又不短 哪個位置是沒風險的 你一直鬼隱ells
的風險 而且有不是沒好的CF 球隊就廢掉
Annie avatar
By Annie
at 2014-07-18T11:38
對我來說,Ells鳥掉的機會最低,而且是"多"一個人
Annie avatar
By Annie
at 2014-07-21T05:40
我覺得你一直在預設立場
Skylar DavisLinda avatar
By Skylar DavisLinda
at 2014-07-24T09:00
那你覺得夏威夷人跟JBJ兩個同時鳥掉的機率呢?
again, 夏威夷人年薪才多少 JBJ才多少 ELLS要多少錢?
Robert avatar
By Robert
at 2014-07-27T23:01
每個人風險高低的認知不同吧..不要流於意氣之爭...
Lauren avatar
By Lauren
at 2014-07-31T14:34
Nava是問題 我也覺得他比較難維持今年成績 所以要補
Thomas avatar
By Thomas
at 2014-08-02T05:53
我說過是買OF,一個球隊OF要有三個人,只要一個人鳥掉我就
不能接受
Rebecca avatar
By Rebecca
at 2014-08-05T01:21
然後夏威夷人很棒大家都知道,可是我們不能買兩個夏威夷人
Gilbert avatar
By Gilbert
at 2014-08-07T02:20
的是RF或是LF 不是嗎? 結果去補已有兩個又便宜的CF備胎
那不是很奇怪?
Adele avatar
By Adele
at 2014-08-07T20:38
我想我們的差異點是CF和OF,我覺得OF人會不夠
如果只是CF可以接受你的想法
Una avatar
By Una
at 2014-08-09T17:33
但是就兩個CF備胎了 你還在補同樣是鳥槍的Ells...
Kama avatar
By Kama
at 2014-08-12T18:28
如果年底把JBJ跟其他頂級新秀去換史大砲 我是能理解續
Ells 但...可能性應該不太高
Lucy avatar
By Lucy
at 2014-08-16T13:31
Ells不是LF和RF的理想人選,可是讓他守也算舒服
Rebecca avatar
By Rebecca
at 2014-08-20T17:07
對啊 所以不是應該找個砲管大一點的LF RF嗎?
你讓Ellsbury守RF LF根本......
Iris avatar
By Iris
at 2014-08-21T03:59
今年頂級OF 幾乎都是吸血鬼的人吧...要找誰呢?
Mason avatar
By Mason
at 2014-08-23T14:18
我們外野的陣容又不差 為何一定要補..
Daph Bay avatar
By Daph Bay
at 2014-08-26T00:48
JBJ,Victorino, Nava, Gomez,加上明年差不多可以上來
的Bryce Brentz,又沒鳥到哪
Irma avatar
By Irma
at 2014-08-30T22:22
而且3個OF鳥掉一個很嚴重嗎 我們打擊又不弱
Poppy avatar
By Poppy
at 2014-09-02T02:50
勇士今年CF BJ鳥掉 RF LF也打得高於平均而已 結果現在
Daniel avatar
By Daniel
at 2014-09-02T10:28
國東冠軍 我是不懂為何你一執著CF鳥掉就完蛋
Tristan Cohan avatar
By Tristan Cohan
at 2014-09-07T09:25
JBJ風險比較小吧...100M簽ELLS 萬一有什麼意外....
錢就丟進水裡面了 莫忘CC
Olivia avatar
By Olivia
at 2014-09-12T02:06
我比較同意A大的看法
但沒有他,襪襪明年的陣容還是很有看頭
Ursula avatar
By Ursula
at 2014-09-12T04:35
JBJ攻擊面有補上來最好,沒補上至少還有守備~
Emily avatar
By Emily
at 2014-09-15T13:35
唉 我總是沒耐性 有冒犯的地方請版友見諒
Edwina avatar
By Edwina
at 2014-09-17T10:29
不相信新人的話不會有Pedroia,Ells也不會這麼早成名
不是有薪資空間就去給Ells又貴又長的約
Lydia avatar
By Lydia
at 2014-09-22T07:53
給的起又如何,失去薪資彈性
還不如保持彈性做其他的補強
Oscar avatar
By Oscar
at 2014-09-22T18:39
保持薪資彈性、相信新人深耕農場是走的長穩的正路
又大又長的約不是捨不得給
Mason avatar
By Mason
at 2014-09-27T14:11
大長約丟在毫無疑問的核心身上才划算(Pedroia)
Quintina avatar
By Quintina
at 2014-09-28T16:49
比起Ells,外野補強找Carlos Beltran也很好啊
Hamiltion avatar
By Hamiltion
at 2014-10-02T16:35
寧願Overpaid壓低年限找老將風險也比7年1E幾千萬給Ells
低多了
Belly avatar
By Belly
at 2014-10-07T00:41
7y/100M 其實也可以接受 但我不覺得 Boras 會接受
Andrew avatar
By Andrew
at 2014-10-11T09:26
整串看下來 MingXDD認為給70~80合理 這應該跟alex一樣
Candice avatar
By Candice
at 2014-10-11T14:33
兩個有同樣想法和共識的人怎麼會戰起來...搞不懂@@
David avatar
By David
at 2014-10-12T15:02
如果小帥哥真的送修,價位會下修多少?
Puput avatar
By Puput
at 2014-10-15T21:21
但還是希望關鍵時刻他的棒子守備速度能幫助球隊
Quanna avatar
By Quanna
at 2014-10-19T05:06
我比較悲觀吧,新秀給我的印象是養成機率不到50%
Susan avatar
By Susan
at 2014-10-19T16:48
把那種上來頂的真雜魚放到pool裡面養成機率當然不高
JBJ已經算是風險很小的新秀了
Yedda avatar
By Yedda
at 2014-10-19T22:14
常常有人(非針對)覺得下面有個頂級新秀就能抗助未來
Yedda avatar
By Yedda
at 2014-10-23T04:45
Hassan Hazelbaker JBJ 三個只有JBJ養起來的話機率當
然不到50% 可是能這樣看嗎
Belly avatar
By Belly
at 2014-10-23T16:48
印象比較深刻的是之前的1B,常常有人說要接1B或老爹位子
慘到現在我名子都忘了
Sarah avatar
By Sarah
at 2014-10-27T17:58
Lars Anderson和JBJ狀況根本不同
Lars是高中畢業生 在A+打出很漂亮的成績後在AA被殺爆
Lauren avatar
By Lauren
at 2014-10-31T15:06
Lars Anderson?
Franklin avatar
By Franklin
at 2014-11-01T09:18
好吧,我承認我不太了解...
我是說Lars沒錯
Oliver avatar
By Oliver
at 2014-11-04T03:07
JBJ現在是已經在AAA打出好成績了
Agnes avatar
By Agnes
at 2014-11-05T17:44
說到1B除了養Lars失敗,倒是成功了Anthony Rizzo
Linda avatar
By Linda
at 2014-11-06T03:01
Kalish和Reddick??
Caroline avatar
By Caroline
at 2014-11-08T04:27
是說Reddick現在也還不錯啦,Kalish我都忘了在哪了..
Doris avatar
By Doris
at 2014-11-09T13:30
Kalish碰到的問題是受傷 這種問題誰來都一樣
Michael avatar
By Michael
at 2014-11-10T08:42
Ellsbury的受傷風險也不會比unproven的低
Andy avatar
By Andy
at 2014-11-14T21:49
查了一下Reddick今年.658爛死了,最好一年還是前年在紅襪
Bethany avatar
By Bethany
at 2014-11-16T00:12
不是有痛痛人的說法? 還是真的是運氣?
Faithe avatar
By Faithe
at 2014-11-16T05:18
Reddick去年在綠帽很威吧.. 幹了30發 還拿個GG
Genevieve avatar
By Genevieve
at 2014-11-17T10:14
今年就鳥掉啦,.658承上329個AB,你願意再給多少AB?
Lucy avatar
By Lucy
at 2014-11-19T12:49
32發也不過.76,是很不錯,但是沒有32發帳面上看起來威
Delia avatar
By Delia
at 2014-11-19T14:19
狠一點把西多土放進來...已經連續3個OF failure了
也許JBJ會不一樣,希望這樣,連四就太衰了
Edward Lewis avatar
By Edward Lewis
at 2014-11-24T08:40
可以這樣比? 那養魚幹嘛 全部都丟了
Donna avatar
By Donna
at 2014-11-27T07:38
JBJ是我們自家在Ellsbury之後最好的OF農作物.....
西多土還來不及證明自己就碰到怪病了
然後要講痛痛人的話 真不知道現在是Ellsbury比較痛還
JBJ - -
誰不知道有風險? 問題就是風險有高有低
Thomas avatar
By Thomas
at 2014-12-01T05:56
我只是表達有風險而已,養當然還是養阿
Bethany avatar
By Bethany
at 2014-12-04T04:04
要這樣比小聯盟可以全廢了
Wallis avatar
By Wallis
at 2014-12-08T05:32
帥哥又痛了...
Hedda avatar
By Hedda
at 2014-12-12T11:26
JBJ的健康狀態和完成度已經讓他的風險降到相對低了
Olga avatar
By Olga
at 2014-12-16T11:31
就算7/130million簽下Ells,能保證他7年,年年 OPS850?
Aaliyah avatar
By Aaliyah
at 2014-12-17T19:04
恩,那很好,那就上來試吧
Ophelia avatar
By Ophelia
at 2014-12-19T19:53
不要太多延伸... 我沒有要廢小聯盟也沒有要130M簽Ells
Dinah avatar
By Dinah
at 2014-12-24T06:03
(沒冒犯的意思)這樣講Reddick的話..那當初把Brandon Moss丟
掉也很可惜.
Gary avatar
By Gary
at 2014-12-27T08:08
我也沒有反對用JBJ和不簽Ells,這討論就到這吧

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John avatar
By John
at 2013-09-06T16:30
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Erin avatar
By Erin
at 2013-09-06T16:01
※ 引述《nicknhit (P.T)》之銘言: : 標題: [轉播] 09/05 at NYY : 時間: Fri Sep 6 07:02:23 2013 : : RED SOX (84-57) : Ellsbury CF : Victorino RF : Pedroia 2B : Ortiz DH : ...

09/05 BOS at NYY Boxscore

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By Edith
at 2013-09-06T13:05
╭─13/09/05─┬──────────────┬────╮ Boston │GAME#143 │1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10│ R H E│ NY Yankees ├──────┼──────────────┼────┤ (85-57 ...

09/05 at NYY

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By Damian
at 2013-09-06T07:02
RED SOX (84-57) Ellsbury CF Victorino RF Pedroia 2B Ortiz DH Nava LF Napoli 1B Drew SS Lavarnway C Middlebrooks 3B Pitching: RHP Jake Peavy (11-5, 3.91). ...

09/04 今日消息 & 小聯盟戰報

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By Necoo
at 2013-09-05T17:20
1. 小聯盟戰報 (0-1)Paw Sox http://0rz.tw/KhkbM 1-7 Rochester (雙城) (1-0) Salem http://0rz.tw/NusQq 1-0 Myrtle Beach (遊騎兵) (十局) (40-33) Lowell http://0rz. ...