鍵盤球迷分析老大最近為何烙賽 - NBA

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大家好 小弟我無聊爬reddit看到一篇超強分析文章 想說來翻譯給大家看看

原文連結 : https://goo.gl/LSKcC9

強烈建議英文夠好的板友直接看原文 畢竟小弟我只是無聊翻譯

然後也建議大家用電腦看 因為有滿多影片支援

以下翻譯

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Okay this is pure speculation and I expect the down votes, so while I'm going
down I decided to add some videos

先承認這只是我個人猜測,我也知道自己可能會被噓,但是趁我還有心寫這篇時我就順
便加個影片給大家看看吧。



When I saw this article(http://goo.gl/5slZIY) about Kobe airballing shots, I
decided to look into it to see if it was going to point out what I saw. Of
course the article says he's missing these shots because he's past his prime,
and I'm not doubting that part. But I'm not entirely sure his body has actually
given up on him. I think Kobe doesn't trust his body so he's trying something
new.

當我看到這篇文章標題後,我決定仔細閱讀一遍來瞧瞧作者是否有點出我看到的部分。
當然,文章一直提出Kobe已經老了,體能不在巔峰了,而我也不懷疑。但我也不相信他體
能有糟糕到這種程度。我個人認為Kobe已經開始不信任自己的身體,然後正在嘗試一些新
的東西。



I am going to point out something I learned from players like KD and to
some extent Curry.

我在這裡要先點出一些我在練習跳投時從KD和Curry身上學到的東西。



Now if you look here you'll find a video of Durant doing the short hop into his
jumper. If you search it online you'll find all the benefits from it.

首先請大家看這部影片 https://goo.gl/B8W5TV 。大家可以看到KD在投籃前會輕輕的跳一
下。如果大家稍為上網查一下可以查到這個小跳躍的種種好處。



Short hop 講解支援: https://goo.gl/VJbO7x

Short hop vs 1-2 hop講解支援: https://goo.gl/frzxzg



Here's why the short hop is good:
1. The short hop gives the player more power on his shot
2. The short hop adds to consistency in your shot
3. The short hop helps you shoot faster

以下是為何short step對各位的跳投有幫助:
1. short hop讓你出手更有力
2. short hop讓你出手更穩定
3. short hop可以讓你出手更快



Kobe is famously known as a 2 motion shooter. If you know about 2 motion
shooting then you know it is a much slower shot and for most people there's not
as much power since it's not all happening in one motion. This is something
Kobe has been aware of and with people like Kevin Durant making the short hop
look fantastic out there, it would only make sense that Kobe adds the short
hop into his game, right? And if you go to the article talking about how Kobe
is airballing 3s, you'll see how he's adding the short hop to his game.

Kobe是出了名的二連動做射手(2 motion)。如果你知道二連動做投籃是甚麼,那你就會知
道這種投籃方式出手動作慢,而且一般人力道也比較使不上來。Kobe當然知道這道理,再
加上KD這麼強的射手讓short hop看起來那麼強,他應該理所當然也會來學一下,對吧?
然後如果你有看剛剛那篇文章在講Kobe一直麵包三分,你也會發現他有學起short hop這
招。
(後面有更多部分會講解2 motion跟1 motion差別)



But the short hop isn't the problem. As noted here in this video, Kobe Bryant
pretty much added the hop into his game back in 2012. But what's important to
note here is how Kobe borrowed the move from Kevin Durant in the first place.
This is important to my observation.

不過short hop本身並不是個問題。如果你看一下這影片(https://goo.gl/2IHznd),你會
發現Kobe早在2012年就學會這招了。但是重點是大家要注意Kobe從別的球員身上學習了小
技巧,而且用來提升自己的比賽。這對我的觀察而言是非常重要的論點。



2012 was also after the Mavs won the title and Dirk received a ton of
recognition for his trademark fadeaway. Shooters saw how dominate he was with
this move so they decided to add it to their game. If you think of the top
players who immediately added it to their game, you see that they were
Durant, Kobe, and Melo.

2012年也是小牛剛拿總冠軍那年,然後德佬的招牌金雞獨立大受關注。很多射手發現這招
的強大然後決定也自己學起來。仔細觀察一下,最出名的就是KD、Kobe和Melo。

KD影片支援: https://goo.gl/gwVaiX

Kobe影片支援: https://goo.gl/EUaJuU




Now keep this in mind: Kobe is borrowing and using moves of Dirk, Durant, and
all the other legends before...and we can see all of this in the 2011-2012
and 2012-2013 season. Kobe is having success with these moves. But then what
happens?

大家記好這點:Kobe一直從別人身上學到新的招式。先是德佬,再來是KD,在這之前還有
不知道多少位傳奇球星。而我們也可以從2011~2012季和2012~2013季看到他新學招式的成
功之處。不過接下來發生什麼事了?



In 2013 Kobe goes down with the achilles injury, right? We say he's never
going to be the same, and right now it looks that way. The article talking
about how he's airballing 3s makes it seem that way as well. But there's
something just way different with his shooting now than before...

2013年Kobe阿基里斯腱斷裂,對不對?大家都說他無法回到以前那樣了,而現在也看起來
是這樣。就連剛剛那篇講他麵包三分的文章也是一直這樣說。但是Kobe的投球方式感覺跟
以前還是差太多了。



Since his injury there's been one great shooter who's popped up. We all know
who this is. It's Steph Curry. Now, Kobe is the kind of guy who'll see a
great move from a player and just take it because he knows it'll make him
better. Kobe took the short hop from Durant and the fadeaway from Jordan and
Dirk...and a ton of other moves from other players. So what is it that Curry
has that Kobe doesn't?

自從老大受傷後,有一位新起的神射手。他家也知道是誰,就是Curry。所以說,老大是一
個看到對手有強大招式就會學來自幾用的球員,因為他知道這樣會讓自己更強。老大從KD
那裏學到了short hop,從德佬那裏學到了金雞獨立。所以Curry有甚麼招術是老大想學的




Curry has a faster release than Kobe. Kobe is a 2 motion shooter while Curry
is a well known One motion shooter. His shooting is all one motion.

Curry的出手速度比老大快。老大是個二連射手,而Curry是一連射手。Curry的投籃動作是
一氣呵成的。

Curry 投籃分析:https://goo.gl/UR1Jnz



I think Kobe is struggling with his shot because he's trying to shoot more
like a one motion shooter like Steph Curry. Go to this article on Kobe
airballing shot and watch how Kobe is shooting the ball. Compare that to
Kobe back before his injury in this video on him shooting nothing but 3s.

我認為老大投籃之所以那麼差是因為他在模仿Curry的投籃想變成一連射手。大家看這篇
文章的影片然後仔細觀察老大的出手動做。http://goo.gl/lN0ORS
然後再跟這篇老大以前的三分出手做比較: https://goo.gl/evXv9U



In the video before his injury you see how Kobe pauses before actually
releasing his shot. This is the two motion shooting. But in the article they
pulled clips of him not doing it as much. It's hard to explain unless you
look at it, but it makes a world of difference. Going from a two motion shot
to a one motion shot isn't that bad if you're just at home practicing,
because you don't have that many variables to through you off. But pulling
that off in game is very difficult because Kobe holding the ball longer in
his two motion shooting helps him aim. If you go from a two motion shot to a
one motion shot at game speed, that's the equivalent of just chucking the
ball up and hoping you make it. That's why Kobe is airballing and missing
what were once easy shots.

在他受傷前的那影片裡,你可以看到老大在出手瞬間會在空中滯留一下。這就是所謂的二
連動做投籃。但是在文章裡面的影片他停留時間明顯短很多。說真的如果你沒看影片,這
應該很難懂吧,但是對於投籃而言這真的是天差地別。如果你只是在家練習,從二連變成
一連射手其實也不一定是壞事,因為沒那麼多變數來干擾你。但是想要在比賽中這樣相對
的困難許多。而且老大以前的二連投籃可以讓他在空中多一點瞄準的時間。如果你在比賽
時突然變成一連射手,這根本等於你把球往籃框方向丟然後希望你會進個一兩顆。這就是
為甚麼老大一直麵包一些本來應該是十拿九穩的空檔三分。



The key is to look at how Kobe is missing and not just the fact that he's
missing and I strongly believe that the how he is missing can be attributed
to the fact that he's trying to borrow one motion shooting from Curry. I also
don't think it has much to do with his age and legs because Kobe isn't just
missing shots because they're short..he's completely missing the rim. Age
doesn't do that to you. Not when you practice as much as he does, because if
age was an issue, then he'd more than likely come up short more than
overthrow the shot. But since one motion shooting can extend your range by
giving you more power, it makes sense that he's overthrowing

關鍵在於仔細觀察他時如何投失這些球的,而不是只注意他在打鐵。而我滿確信老大最近
這麼鐵的關鍵就在於他在學Curry的投籃動作。我也不認為是因為是老大老了腳沒力才會
這樣。因為如果是他老了,那他的球不是應該提早下墜,而不是射過頭嗎?但是如果說老
大是在嘗試一連投籃那就說得過去了,因為一連投籃會讓你出手力道增加,而且可以投更
遠。(想想Curry的超大號三分球)



More miscellaneous proof If you look at the last video in the article talking
about him airballing, you see him go for a quick release. Signs of quick
releasing in most players is how they don't hold their follow through, but
they don't hold their follow through all the time. It's not situational, so
it's not like they drop their arms off the dribble. But here, Kobe is a
standstill and he's not holding his follow through. In that 3 point shooting
compilation I linked in here, you see him holding his follow through way more
often than not. So why is he not doing it in 2015?

更多細小的證據:如果你仔細看那篇文章的最後一個影片,你會發現老大在那球試著加速
出手。通常加速出手的明顯跡象就是球員不會維持他的動作到完成為止(follow through)
。但是這只是通常而以,為甚麼老大在空檔時候也要這樣做?在受傷前的三分剪集中可以
看到老大出手動做會做到底(通常是右手繼續舉著那樣)。所以為何老大在本季要刻意加速
他的出手呢?



Also, Kobe, imo, has a low arcing shot. [This was mentioned on this subreddit
last] year, but this guy is saying it just now looks low. To me it's always
looked kind of low. You can't really notice it because of the camera angles
and shooting 3s, but when he shoots 2s, it looks really low. It could also be
because of the fact that he's a 2-motion shooter which requires you to jump
higher to put the ball in...you don't need as much arc for that while shooting
wide open shots (especially when you're 6'6".)

還有老大的投籃弧度一直都很低(去年也有人在本版提過),但是那篇文章作者卻認為現在
更低了。我自己一直都覺得很低啦,不過說真的因為攝影角度問題我其實有點看不太出來
。不過在三分線內出手時候就很明顯可以看出低弧度了。不過老大今年弧度那麼低,也有
可能是因為他本來二連跳投時要跳比較高才會出手。但是你空檔時候沒必要跳那麼高呀,
尤其是以老大6呎7的身高。




Also just watch this video in general to see how Kobe has a true two motion
shot in 2011 and here is slow motion on his shot.

然後大家也可以看這部短片來觀察老大的二連跳投。然後另一部是老大的慢動做投球。

影片1: https://goo.gl/GbqzJ5
影片2: https://goo.gl/aH6Poa

tl;dr Kobe is a traditional 2-motion shooter and the reason he's shooting
poorly now is because he's trying to "borrow" another great move to his game:
1-motion shooting (from Curry)

簡而言之:老大是個傳統的二連射手,然後他今年命中率這麼低的原因是因為想把Curry的
新招學起來用(一連投籃)。



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心得:看完這篇 只能說老大真的太敬業了 在聯盟打滾20年還是一樣活到老學到老
大家還記得去年有新聞說MKG跟騎士傳奇射手Mark Price重新學跳投嗎?
那時就很多人推說他很讚 肯認真的去跟傳奇學習 忘掉自己以知一切然後重學跳投
那老大已經投這姿勢20年了 現在想打掉重學...這是要多大的毅力才辦得到阿...

阿對了 有錯一樣歡迎大家指正~

順便問一下 為甚麼現在禁止用ppt縮網? 害我改了好久

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All Comments

Linda avatarLinda2015-11-08
因為受傷後體能不如以前,需要重新調整動作
Suhail Hany avatarSuhail Hany2015-11-10
急著酸Kobe前記得他幾乎兩年沒打球了,需要幾場調整
Andy avatarAndy2015-11-13
pull up拉起投球已經成為顯學。
不需要太多的腳步力氣和手部力氣。
需要的是整個身體的拉起 。
以上。
Daph Bay avatarDaph Bay2015-11-14
反正我是信了 老大加油阿
Tom avatarTom2015-11-14
出手點變低是個問題。
Daph Bay avatarDaph Bay2015-11-16
恩,所以學一個動作不在熱身賽練熟直接在場上當練習
,不考慮球隊戰績,是這樣的意思嗎?
Ula avatarUla2015-11-19
老大學什麼不重要,湖人別再續約,這樣子重建期會短
一點。
Regina avatarRegina2015-11-21
他覺得他可以吧。
James avatarJames2015-11-24
比賽中練球 阿不就好棒棒
Candice avatarCandice2015-11-27
小牛是2011年總冠軍
Frederic avatarFrederic2015-11-30
推理性分析文,不過我覺得老科還是不要繼續試比較好
,投籃的感覺整個都沒了
Rebecca avatarRebecca2015-12-04
學KD的鬼大頭啦 籃球基本跳投步法 最好老大以前不會
Anthony avatarAnthony2015-12-06
真希望湖人再跟老大簽4年 老大一定重重打酸酸臉^_<
Noah avatarNoah2015-12-10
推 好文!
Joseph avatarJoseph2015-12-11
不在熱身賽練熟 XD 熱身賽就受傷了是有幾場可以練?
Oscar avatarOscar2015-12-12
Kobe三分除了早期 沒進幾乎都是偏掉 很少是這種力道
不足的
Kelly avatarKelly2015-12-14
兩段式跳投相較於curry那種 的確比較吃腿力
Tristan Cohan avatarTristan Cohan2015-12-19
禁ppt縮址,是因為之前ppt出包,對應的網址沒幾天就
Elizabeth avatarElizabeth2015-12-21
被覆寫成其它網站。
Hardy avatarHardy2015-12-24
都要退休的人搶球練進攻不拼防守是要幹嘛 這種奮戰
精神真的佐敦都沒有
Candice avatarCandice2015-12-28
所以沒練熟,空檔麵包,就直接拿賽季當練習是合理的
Yedda avatarYedda2016-01-01
好吧,都這樣說了,沒話講了
Jessica avatarJessica2016-01-02
想要改變投籃機制本來就是要一直用新的去修正
你以為是打2K可以每天換來換去喔
Gilbert avatarGilbert2016-01-06
lao da 加油
Heather avatarHeather2016-01-10
到底在講啥 short hop這種基本東西老大根本早就會用
Mary avatarMary2016-01-15
更別扯啥看到KD後學他 zzz 你以為在上劉寶傑節目喔
Hedwig avatarHedwig2016-01-17
希望湖人再續簽老大幾年讓老大把神功練起來 咖哩身
手加上老大意志力 想到尿都閃兩滴出來
Mary avatarMary2016-01-21
片子隨便找一兩球就在 寶傑你看 KOBE學KD耶
Tristan Cohan avatarTristan Cohan2016-01-26
你棄戰最好 免得隨便都貼KB8 short hop出來打爆你臉
Poppy avatarPoppy2016-01-28
什麼看到KD很強學他 超級好笑
Rosalind avatarRosalind2016-01-30
洛克人是你?
Queena avatarQueena2016-02-03
你管他是誰學誰 好招為什麼不能互相學呢
Todd Johnson avatarTodd Johnson2016-02-07
老大身上真的看得到很多影子 像是copy bryant的存在
Iris avatarIris2016-02-10
也因此他的進攻手段很有可看性 但投籃選擇就...
Charlie avatarCharlie2016-02-11
看到他有新目標很期待 熱身賽時就curry連進之後的
慶祝動作也看的到 只是不知還剩多少時間可以這樣玩
Frederica avatarFrederica2016-02-12
反正我是信了
Wallis avatarWallis2016-02-13
慕容復?
Tom avatarTom2016-02-13
加油啊 學ㄧ堆有的沒的應該可以讓他更早退休吧
Tristan Cohan avatarTristan Cohan2016-02-14
原PO不該以人廢言的 short hop對老大來說是基本動作
Kyle avatarKyle2016-02-16
你有在打球?還是鍵盤分析? 有傷又有年紀的人 又
ㄧ陣子沒法打球 照這樣分析又改動作 有辦法打NBA我
都覺得很佩服了
Audriana avatarAudriana2016-02-17
推!老大是一種精神!看老大打球已是奢侈
Barb Cronin avatarBarb Cronin2016-02-18
老大會這麼不智嗎 一連不太適合後仰跳投吧 何況這麼
老了還要改整個機制…不如像melo一樣加強二連的出手
速度實際
Tracy avatarTracy2016-02-20
後仰用二連,三分用一連,視情況調整 不好嗎?
Callum avatarCallum2016-02-22
感謝分享翻譯
Sandy avatarSandy2016-02-24
...
Harry avatarHarry2016-02-28
還滿有道理的,然後練新的東西本來就是要在實戰用
Oliver avatarOliver2016-03-04
滿有意思的,學不學別人放一旁,但這比什麼精神勝利
論好太多了
Zenobia avatarZenobia2016-03-08
老大太強了配合體能下降改練ㄧ連投籃
Ivy avatarIvy2016-03-12
用同樣說法套在別的事情看一下 - 因為換了一個更有
效率的起床新姿勢,所以我起不了床
Candice avatarCandice2016-03-13
我為了你的動作學了那麼久,現在也要改了嗎...
Tracy avatarTracy2016-03-15
只能推了
Edith avatarEdith2016-03-17
遲到也是很合理。因為我正在改良我的起床姿勢
Sandy avatarSandy2016-03-21
比賽中練?這讓我想到之前ㄧ個迷迷說練球是要在場下
練的神理解
Doris avatarDoris2016-03-24
老大現在只是再調整,等到熱好身,又會回到聯盟前五
的球員,這是無庸置疑的。以老大的實力跟精神,再打
3~5年絕對不是問題,等陣容完整,第六第七冠保證輕
鬆拿到!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hedwig avatarHedwig2016-03-24
再簽老大10年!
Andy avatarAndy2016-03-27
Cara avatarCara2016-04-01
說真的 這篇說的1-2 hop跟short hop都算是投籃的基
Mary avatarMary2016-04-06
本步伐 以前打校隊練球時都有練過 例如等球射手如果
Jacob avatarJacob2016-04-07
直接站著接球拔起來投 和 未運球小墊步(類似這篇說
的short hop) 跳起來的高度和節奏感會差很多
George avatarGeorge2016-04-09
個人愚見 純粹覺得Kobe腿力無法再像之前可以先跳再
Emily avatarEmily2016-04-10
描籃 所以看起來會變成加快出手速度
Olive avatarOlive2016-04-15
以前的二連跳投比較好看
Jack avatarJack2016-04-16
卡卡西:我喜歡kobe
Elvira avatarElvira2016-04-19
原因就是他不切入了,每球都是在三分接球投掉,不
切對方就好防,球隊就少了很多進攻模式
Bennie avatarBennie2016-04-19
我覺得老大的這麼美的出手不該改掉
Andy avatarAndy2016-04-22
感覺滿有道理的欸,就算生涯最後一季還是不放棄努力
,不愧是老大!
Sierra Rose avatarSierra Rose2016-04-24
老大沒有烙賽,老大精神永存!
Andrew avatarAndrew2016-04-27
他的確在嘗試one motion,但是會麵包跟他腳沒力出手
選擇又差絕對有關係…
Heather avatarHeather2016-05-01
推 至少認真分析了
Michael avatarMichael2016-05-05
老大都用2-motion拿3萬多分了 沒事改姿勢幹嘛 原本
Emma avatarEmma2016-05-06
的跳投動作又不爛 人家Curry練10幾年了 老大想現學
現賣哪這麼簡單 而且練習時投投就算了 比賽大空檔還
這樣玩 不知道在想什麼...
Noah avatarNoah2016-05-08
老大鐵又不是一天兩天的事還是他每年都在學新招?
Skylar DavisLinda avatarSkylar DavisLinda2016-05-11
有分析有推 支持老大混了這麼久還肯學
Blanche avatarBlanche2016-05-12
就學人精啊看到什麼都想偷學,連吐舌頭也要學
Kelly avatarKelly2016-05-12
跟國中生屁孩什麼都想學來炫一下一樣
Edward Lewis avatarEdward Lewis2016-05-17
東施表示欣慰
Hedy avatarHedy2016-05-19
學甚麼都不是重點 重點是要能夠提升命中率
Ivy avatarIvy2016-05-22
要不要來SBL練 大家不會酸你還會捧你喔
Iris avatarIris2016-05-25
不用想的這麼複雜 就是老了殘了 跳不起立罷了
Margaret avatarMargaret2016-05-27
Push
Aaliyah avatarAaliyah2016-05-28
他想看成效如何再決定是否退休?
Ida avatarIda2016-06-02
哦哦 有意思但效果很遭耶
Odelette avatarOdelette2016-06-03
看到一些科酸想來這篇討晦氣結果碰一鼻子灰,過癮!
Adele avatarAdele2016-06-05
這種文酸酸也能無_酸 真不簡單
Anthony avatarAnthony2016-06-08
就老了,爆發生也不如前也可講一堆。你說的這些東西
Victoria avatarVictoria2016-06-12
的原因及理由,相不相信07年的kobe來做通通變成屁
Leila avatarLeila2016-06-16
卡卡西 是你?
Olivia avatarOlivia2016-06-16
雖然曾經有覺得老大是重建的阻礙,但長遠看來湖人
對球星的尊重,應該也會起到一些吸引自由球員的幫助
吧?
Connor avatarConnor2016-06-18
上面這是09-11的影片 老大哪有不會的籃球基本動作
Ophelia avatarOphelia2016-06-21
老實講根本沒學到位 投射弧度太低 curry這季反而弧
度更高而且更準 只能說curry的投射能力前所未有
Una avatarUna2016-06-25
活到老學到老!
Faithe avatarFaithe2016-06-26
結論:學人精二貨想學一貨學不起來
Bethany avatarBethany2016-06-28
與其東學西效,不如把一個姿勢練到完美
Cara avatarCara2016-07-01
不見得是事實 不過這樣討論也是滿有意思的
Eartha avatarEartha2016-07-04
有趣推!!!
Poppy avatarPoppy2016-07-07
老大還再進化???這你信嗎 再進化就無敵了阿阿阿阿阿
Charlotte avatarCharlotte2016-07-09
Nick教練也有分析 https://goo.gl/1Y5EDN
Eden avatarEden2016-07-10
可惜kobe不能換晶片
Doris avatarDoris2016-07-12
的確short hop這種基本到不行的技術Kobe不可能不會
Thomas avatarThomas2016-07-12
推專業
Callum avatarCallum2016-07-14
好球 希望老大趕快抓到新的感覺 加油
Audriana avatarAudriana2016-07-18
德佬現在投籃出手也變快很多~而且還狠準!
Quintina avatarQuintina2016-07-21
就學人精阿,你自己都說了一連效果是更快更準更有力
,那麵包一堆是三小,他從以前就很愛偷人家招式在那
邊炫
Michael avatarMichael2016-07-24
Carol avatarCarol2016-07-27
哇等老大練成Curry招式不久又要重回科神寶座了!?
Curry三分命中率打個折也有四成喔~老大太神啦
Bethany avatarBethany2016-07-30
分析推!!感謝翻譯
Irma avatarIrma2016-07-31
噓的人好好笑
Rae avatarRae2016-08-02
老大~~~~~~~~~~ 好佩服阿!
Oliver avatarOliver2016-08-05
老大!!!! 浪投麵包不防守
Oliver avatarOliver2016-08-09
這篇好專業
Robert avatarRobert2016-08-14
老大的精神好強大 所以可以濫投防守擺爛傷害球隊
啊不就好棒棒
Daph Bay avatarDaph Bay2016-08-18
那為什麼學ㄧ堆命中率還那麼爛?邯鄲學步 徒具其形
Franklin avatarFranklin2016-08-20
不見得是事實 不過這樣討論也是滿有意思的
Hedy avatarHedy2016-08-22
所以他真的是整個投籃姿勢跟方法都變了 動作超怪