詹皇談絕殺:告訴了教練把球給我 - NBA

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你們這些人,真的是被KOBE寵壞了,沒有KOBE我看你們怎麼活

剛剛找到這篇,懶得看字的可以注意上色部分就好



原文:
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/24200/the-truth-about-kobe-bryant-in-crunch-time
翻譯:kart

類似的文章不少,作者自己也提了,
不過這篇文章比較特別的是...他列出了比較負面的例子...

The truth about Kobe Bryant in crunch time
By Henry Abbott/ESPN
關於Kobe在關鍵時刻的真相。

At the end of Game 2 of the 2009 Finals, the Magic knew who to
guard, and got the block.
在2009冠軍賽第二場關鍵時刻,魔術知道要防守誰,也成功的蓋了「他」火鍋。

Ask pundits. Ask general managers. Ask players. Ask almost
anybody.
Who would like to have take the last shot with the game on the
line?
問任何與NBA有關的人,最後一擊要給誰?

Kobe Bryant wins by a country mile. Every time. (In a general
manager poll this season, he earned 79% of the vote, his ninth
consecutive blowout.)
Kobe幾乎每次都在類似投票中大幅度領先(本季對個球隊經理的調查,
他以高達79%的比例連續九年獲得壓倒性勝利。)

There is not really any other serious candidate.
幾乎沒有人能在這項投票中望其項背。

Ask me, though, (as Ryen Russillo did last week and Mike Trudell
the other day) and I'll tell you I don't know who's the best, but
with all due respect to Bryant's amazing abilities scoring the
ball, there's zero chance he's the king of crunch time.
如果你要問我(或是之前有在注意關鍵時刻的專業球評),
  那我會跟你說我不知道誰是最好的,我也非常尊敬Kobe驚人的得分能力,
但是他百分之百(幾近0%)不會是關鍵時刻的王者。

The sin of predictability
觀察一:可預測性

Bryant makes crunch time defense easy for opponents by shooting
just about every time he touches the ball (over a five-year
period, he mustered 56 clutch shots, to go with one assist).
Kobe的可預測性在於他幾乎一碰到球就一定要射,
讓關鍵時刻對手對他的防守相對簡單許多。
(過去五年中關鍵時刻中他總共投了56球,只有一個助攻)

Fans of his raw machismo howl that such criticism misses the
point, but the point is that when Bryant gets the ball in crunch
time, it's a virtual certainty that he'll shoot it, and it's
better than two-to-one odds that he'll miss.
很多Kobe迷喜歡嚎叫說批評者搞不清楚狀況。

但是重點是Kobe在關鍵時刻幾乎肯定一拿到球他就一定要出手,
而且有遠大於50%的機會他會投失。

In 1997, he famously airballed two shots that could have beat the
Jazz -- instead the Jazz won the series. In 1999, he whiffed on a
3-pointer at the buzzer that would have tied Game 2 against the
Spurs. In Game 4 against the Kings in 2002, he missed a 2-pointer
that would have tied the game (before the ball was tipped out to
Robert Horry for the winning 3). In Game 7 of that same series,
Bryant missed a tip that would have won the game in regulation. In
Game 3 against the Timberwolves in 2003, he missed two key shots
in the last seconds of overtime, and the Lakers lost.
1997年,Kobe在季後賽對爵士投了有名的兩顆籃外空心,
  而這兩顆如果進了就有可能拿下1場,最後卻是爵士把湖人橫掃。

1999年,他在季後賽第二場對馬刺投失一棵可能追平的三分。

2002年第四戰對上國王,他投失了一個可追平的兩分球。
  (雖然結果球彈到Robert Horry手上投進致勝三分)
  在第七戰時Kobe一個補籃不進,否則可以不用打延長賽。

   2003年第三戰對上灰狼,他最後連續投失了兩球導致輸球。

I'll spare you the entire list, but it's long. In the final 24
seconds of playoff games, Bryant has racked up almost as many
airballs as makes, making just below 30 percent of game-tying or
go-ahead shots. He hasn't hit such a shot in a playoff game, in
fact, since 2008, including key misses in the closing moments
against the Jazz and Magic in 2009, and the Thunder and Suns last
spring. He made one of his four shots in the fourth quarter of
Game 7 of last year's Finals.
舉凡種種,不甚枚舉,我也不想統統列出來給你們看,
只能說名單很長很可怕。

但是在季後賽裡,
  最後24秒進攻中的Kobe投進的球跟他投出的籃外空心差不多一樣多,
  總計命中率不到30%。

事實上,自從2008年以後他在季後賽就沒有在關鍵時刻投中過了,
  包括2009年對上爵士和魔術,和2010年對上雷霆和太陽。

而他在去年的總冠軍賽第七場第四節只勉強投進一球。

No matter how you define crunch time -- from the last five minutes
of the fourth quarter or overtime to the last 24 seconds -- and
no matter how you define production -- field goal percentage,
offensive efficiency, David Berri's Wins Produced, the results
tell the same story: Bryant is about as likely to hit the big shot
as any player.
不管你怎樣定義關鍵時刻--常規賽最後五分鐘和延長賽,或是只算最後24秒 --
  也不管你要怎麼計算一個球員的貢獻 -- 命中率、進攻效率,帶來的勝場精算等等,
  結果通常只有一個:Kobe關鍵時刻的表現很一般,跟一般球員沒啥兩樣。

ESPN Stats and Information's Alok Pattani dug through 15 years of
NBA data (see table below) -- Bryant's entire career, regular
season and playoffs -- and found that Bryant has attempted 115
shots in the final 24 seconds of a game in which the Lakers were
tied or trailed by two or fewer points. He connected on 36, and
missed 79 times.
根據我們ESPN的統計,過去15年來(請看下表),也就是Kobe的全部生涯在內,
  包括所有季賽和季後賽,Kobe在最後24秒球隊落後或平手的局面,
他總共投了115顆,進了36顆,投失了79顆。

One shot for all the cookies. And the NBA is nearly unanimous that
this is the guy to take it, even though he has more than twice as
many misses as makes?
怕了吧,所有NBA一致舉手通過要給他投最後一擊的人,
  即使他有超過兩倍的機率投失,遠多於投進。

His crunch time production is slightly higher in the first half of
this season, but still certainly not the best in the league. And
analyzing any large number of games, one year, five years or
fifteen years, and defining crunch time a number of different
ways, shows the same pattern. (There are a many ways this has been
sliced.)
他今年這方面的表現比他的平均值好一點點,但是顯然跟最好差很多。

重點是不管你怎麼分析 -- 只算某年,只算某五年,
  或算上過去15年,結果還是一樣的。

Bryant shoots more than most, passes less, and racks up misses at
an all-time rate. There is no measure, other than YouTube
highlights and folklore, by which he's the best scorer in crunch
time.
Kobe關鍵時刻出手比是最高的,傳球非常稀有,而且投失球數正在往史上新高邁
進。
  所有統計都顯示,除了Youtube和高光以外,他絕對不是關鍵時刻最好的得分手。

With the game on the line

Trailing by one or two points, or tied,
in the final 24 seconds of regular-season and playoff games since 1996-97,
with a minimum of 30 shots.
From Alok Pattani of ESPN Stats & Information.

以下是從96-97年開始統計,
  在24秒內,球隊落後0-2分時,球員出手表現。
  (包括季賽和季後賽,出手數超過30次以上)

Player Makes  Attempts  FG%
Carmelo Anthony 21 44 47.7
Chris Paul 14 31 45.2
Shawn Marion 12 30 40
Brandon Roy 12 30 40
Hedo Turkoglu 12 30 40
Rashard Lewis 18 46 39.1
Glenn Robinson 14 36 38.9
Deron Williams 14 36 38.9
Mike Bibby 15 39 38.5
Dirk Nowitzki 25 65 38.5
Jalen Rose 12 32 37.5
Tim Duncan 23 62 37.1
Eddie Jones 13 36 36.1
Karl Malone 11 31 35.5
Ben Gordon 17 49 34.7
Chris Webber 18 52 34.6
Raymond Felton 12 36 33.3
LeBron James 23 69 33.3
Ray Allen 23 70 32.9
Gilbert Arenas 13 40 32.5
Vince Carter 31 96 32.3
Steve Francis 14 44 31.8
Damon Stoudamire 12 38 31.6
Nick Van Exel 16 51 31.4
Kobe Bryant 36 115 31.3
Jason Terry 14 45 31.1
Allen Iverson 21 68 30.9
Kevin Garnett 22 72 30.6
Ron Artest 9 30 30
Allan Houston 12 41 29.3
Entire league 2038 6861 29.7

(統計至:1/28/11 10:43 AM ET 為止。)

The un-clutch Lakers
觀察二:關鍵時刻讓湖人無法發揮

One of the key arguments in his favor is that he draws
double-teams, which allows other Lakers to score. But that doesn't
seem to happen much. Over Bryant's 15-year career, the Lakers
have had the NBA's best offense, and second-best won-loss record.
No other team can match their mighty 109 points per 100
possessions over the entire period.
Kobe迷常常爭論說Kobe屌的就是他關鍵時刻能吸引包夾,
  這樣其他人不是就有機會了嗎。

  但是不幸的是,這個現象並沒有發生太多。

在Kobe 15年的生涯之中,湖人隊是這15年以來全NBA攻擊最好的球隊,
而且擁有第二高的輸贏比。

  沒有任何一隊可以接近他們的進攻效率(每100次進攻能得109分)

You'd expect Los Angeles to also have one of the league's best
offenses in crunch time, right? Especially with the ball in the
hands of the player most suited to those moments.
在這麼顯眼的數字下你會期待照理來說湖人隊在關鍵時刻表現應該也不俗,對嗎

  尤其是還有公認關鍵時刻最強的人在隊上,不是嗎?

That's not what happens, though. In the final 24 seconds of close
games the Laker offense regresses horribly, managing just 82
points per 100 possessions. And it's not a simple case of every
team having a hard time scoring in crunch time. Over Bryant's
career, 11 teams have had better crunch time offenses, led by the
Hornets with a shocking 107 points per 100 possessions in crunch
time, a huge credit to Chris Paul.
但是這並沒有如人們想像般發生。

事實上,如果只看關鍵時刻的24秒,
  湖人隊的進攻效率下降到爛透了的每100次進攻才有82分的效率,
  而且這並不是因為關鍵時刻通常任何NBA球隊都表現不好。

  在Kobe的生涯中(15年來),有11隊比湖人隊在關鍵時刻都有效率,
  最有效率的是黃蜂隊,關鍵時刻每100次進攻可以得107分,這要感謝CP3的強力加持


The Lakers are not among the league leaders in crunch time offense
-- instead they're just about average, scoring 82.35 points per
100 possessions in a league that averages 80.03. They are,
however, among the league leaders in how much worse their offense
declines in crunch time.
上面說了,湖人隊並不是關鍵時刻進攻最好的球隊,
  只在平均值(每100次進攻得80分)。

不過他們在平常進攻效率和關鍵時刻進攻效率的差值,倒是全聯盟最大的。
(109分下降到82分!)

When Bryant is on the floor in crunch time, Bryant's Lakers are
actually outscored by their opponents.
之前有文章提過,當Kobe關鍵時刻在場上時,
  湖人得分效率其實是輸給對手的。(就連+/-值都是負值)

A great offensive team performing at average levels, with a star
setting records for number of shots attempted. Teammates left wide
open. Evidence, even, that Bryant's play puts his team into
nailbiters that needn't be so close.
一個強大進攻效率的球隊,到了關鍵時刻表現平平,
  隊中有一個球星不斷創造投球數的紀錄,而隊友通常都是有大空檔。

這些都是Kobe讓他所處的球隊處於不利位置的證據。

That, my friends, is a ballhog.
我的讀者朋友們,這就叫做自幹王。

  -

  心得:
  該死的Horry不愧為季後賽先生。

  看到板上近來討論 KOBE 的絕殺首選問題,故把收藏已久的文章搬出來給各位看看。
不過我想無論是在任何情況下,湖人的絕殺首選仍舊會是 KOBE。

  不過,真正的絕殺王者是:卡梅龍安東瓜。


來源:http://forum.gamer.com.tw/Co.php?bsn=04373&sn=505407
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我相信,在球迷的期待,球團的期待,NBA版的期待,KOBE本人的期望下,

下季投出絕殺的,依然是那位58110532000不可一世的紫金24號

我只想說,為了我們,繼續投吧 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!









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Erin avatar
By Erin
at 2015-05-11T22:55
跪求乾爹100p
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By Zora
at 2015-05-12T00:51
恭喜 profess369買了16 張湖人,獲得2832 P
Mia avatar
By Mia
at 2015-05-15T14:22
繼續投! 繼續投! 繼續投!
Andrew avatar
By Andrew
at 2015-05-20T00:57
後仰跳投美如畫 懂?
Aaliyah avatar
By Aaliyah
at 2015-05-24T17:07
優文 投的次數爆多 命中低但靠數量進球數也第一 剪
成高光迷迷就看到高潮了阿XD
Frederic avatar
By Frederic
at 2015-05-26T04:01
這就是一直幹的後果 人家就會知道是你要投啊
Vanessa avatar
By Vanessa
at 2015-05-26T09:16
獨瘤!
Skylar Davis avatar
By Skylar Davis
at 2015-05-30T02:49
這三四年前的文章吧 算上這幾年的絕殺 命中肯定..
更低
Wallis avatar
By Wallis
at 2015-05-31T06:36
如果只算目前還在打季後賽的球員 絕殺王CP3無誤
Doris avatar
By Doris
at 2015-06-02T10:46
補血!科迷等等會來秀下限護航
Olive avatar
By Olive
at 2015-06-06T19:14
這文應該裱框起來掛在NBA板首頁
Tracy avatar
By Tracy
at 2015-06-09T01:16
我也相信老大會繼續投下去,因為他就是湖人的靈魂
Ursula avatar
By Ursula
at 2015-06-10T13:23
大家就是去看他自幹的阿XD
Quanna avatar
By Quanna
at 2015-06-15T08:00
LBJ如果這樣一直幹 根本不會有好的後果
Zora avatar
By Zora
at 2015-06-16T17:30
其實數據沒有想像中爛......
Dora avatar
By Dora
at 2015-06-20T08:00
甜瓜和CP3就真的神猛......
Carolina Franco avatar
By Carolina Franco
at 2015-06-21T21:14
要拿冠軍有好隊友比較重要
Susan avatar
By Susan
at 2015-06-25T20:04
這2011的文章 數據已經有些變動 但KB而言只會更慘
Catherine avatar
By Catherine
at 2015-06-29T00:57
沒有統計2011年以後的數據,算是救了Kobe迷
Dora avatar
By Dora
at 2015-07-03T17:07
Belly avatar
By Belly
at 2015-07-03T18:31
Kobe的可預測性在於他幾乎一碰到○就一定要射
Olive avatar
By Olive
at 2015-07-08T01:52
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Aaliyah avatar
By Aaliyah
at 2015-07-09T01:52
全世界都知道你要投 不管幾個人守還是照投 命中率
也沒說輸到20% 有擔當多了 難不成鄉民都比GM專業
Charlotte avatar
By Charlotte
at 2015-07-10T21:09
推 海綿五六認證的優文
Yedda avatar
By Yedda
at 2015-07-15T03:54
優質好文大力推
Andy avatar
By Andy
at 2015-07-16T13:40
我還以為是海綿56發的文
Rosalind avatar
By Rosalind
at 2015-07-17T21:12
責任感 推科比
Damian avatar
By Damian
at 2015-07-22T20:18
這就是Kobe跟AI地位讓喇叭永遠追不上的地方
Isla avatar
By Isla
at 2015-07-24T19:00
假KI迷應該要說LAODA愛投刷數據 壓搾其他隊友成長
Donna avatar
By Donna
at 2015-07-27T05:42
幫補血 等等迷迷要進攻了
Jack avatar
By Jack
at 2015-07-29T03:35
某W到底是不是反串?
Eartha avatar
By Eartha
at 2015-07-30T07:03
某W褲子持續漂流
Hedwig avatar
By Hedwig
at 2015-07-31T07:24
那些都只是拿腿腿說過的話換個名字而已哦
Tom avatar
By Tom
at 2015-07-31T14:42
XDD
Andy avatar
By Andy
at 2015-08-03T07:57
某人捧科捧得真難看 回家洗洗睡吧
Ula avatar
By Ula
at 2015-08-05T23:48
W大真的超好笑 出來秀下限不覺得不好意思?
Irma avatar
By Irma
at 2015-08-08T15:42
廢物kobe
Valerie avatar
By Valerie
at 2015-08-13T08:59
命中率沒輸到20% 這句頗有喜感
Robert avatar
By Robert
at 2015-08-16T03:21
Quintina avatar
By Quintina
at 2015-08-17T10:36
某W褲子持續漂流
Frederica avatar
By Frederica
at 2015-08-19T03:15
姆斯關鍵時候的命中率真的蠻低的
Todd Johnson avatar
By Todd Johnson
at 2015-08-19T19:18
沒有臉皮啊 都露餡還能繼續自捧西瓜 見怪不怪了
Doris avatar
By Doris
at 2015-08-20T13:29
等喇叭再打個8年我們再來看看他的命中率
Harry avatar
By Harry
at 2015-08-25T11:38
是說到時候不知道又已經轉幾次隊了
Tom avatar
By Tom
at 2015-08-26T01:55
重點是不管你怎麼分析 -- 只算某年,只算某五年
James avatar
By James
at 2015-08-30T16:11
或算上過去15年,結果還是一樣的。
看來某W不太看文章內容的/.\
Candice avatar
By Candice
at 2015-08-31T17:16
到時候就還是跳針酸別的吧 到時候..
Gary avatar
By Gary
at 2015-09-04T07:22
其實你也看不到槍溪 因為他更爛
Oliver avatar
By Oliver
at 2015-09-08T00:20
但是他綽號big shot...這都是印象分數
Andy avatar
By Andy
at 2015-09-13T00:16
個人能力真的超強
Susan avatar
By Susan
at 2015-09-13T13:03
現在酸點被拔掉 開始酸未來惹 偉哉
Yedda avatar
By Yedda
at 2015-09-16T22:22
也不用到時候 早已開始跳針了..
Hedy avatar
By Hedy
at 2015-09-21T06:01
推到置頂為止啊
Carolina Franco avatar
By Carolina Franco
at 2015-09-21T17:13
Enid avatar
By Enid
at 2015-09-23T22:27
(′・ω・‵(′・ω・‵)′・ω・‵) 圍觀秀下限
Puput avatar
By Puput
at 2015-09-25T11:19
ROY........
Olivia avatar
By Olivia
at 2015-09-28T01:37
好笑的是迷迷看到票選都會高潮自以為打臉
Cara avatar
By Cara
at 2015-09-28T08:34
鱉迷氣急敗壞 褲子都忘記穿了
Dora avatar
By Dora
at 2015-09-28T16:40
同意WEIKUNG的說法 數據本來就是給小朋友看的 老大
已經診就我們好幾次了
Bennie avatar
By Bennie
at 2015-10-03T01:53
已經就診何大一好幾次
Faithe avatar
By Faithe
at 2015-10-05T04:24
迷:我想你們不懂老大價值
Damian avatar
By Damian
at 2015-10-09T21:39
他其實效率可以更好 但就是中二 反而一堆人黑的
甜瓜真的委屈
Tom avatar
By Tom
at 2015-10-14T19:12
老大即刻救援
Cara avatar
By Cara
at 2015-10-17T13:26
推啦
Rosalind avatar
By Rosalind
at 2015-10-18T15:46
哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈
James avatar
By James
at 2015-10-21T07:58
姆斯:KOBE求你別退休,我需要你隨時救援
Elvira avatar
By Elvira
at 2015-10-21T21:57
瓜瓜真猛 接近50%
Irma avatar
By Irma
at 2015-10-22T00:26
不愧是老大 季後賽這麼精彩大家還是忘不了他
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By Daniel
at 2015-10-23T08:39
看完我還是非常欽佩老大,是個貫徹自己球魂的男人
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By Freda
at 2015-10-26T07:22
打鐵是種信仰
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By George
at 2015-10-30T11:25
That, my friends, is a ballhog.
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By John
at 2015-11-03T04:05
這其實是老梗了,但有些人會拒絕接受現實
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By Bethany
at 2015-11-05T06:36
林迷最討厭的甜瓜
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By Cara
at 2015-11-08T14:11
推~ Melo強度應多了!!! Gangster!!!
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By Hazel
at 2015-11-12T04:22
無所不能的老大 從犯罪到場內關鍵時刻都可以救援
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By Ethan
at 2015-11-13T08:58
CP3關鍵時刻果然很可怕
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By Tracy
at 2015-11-17T18:25
Brandon Roy .... 說好不提的
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By Regina
at 2015-11-20T01:51
哈哈哈
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By Daph Bay
at 2015-11-24T12:22
腿科生涯季後賽關鍵時刻總計28投7中,命中率才25%,
這還不夠低?關鍵時刻得分的能力如此之差,投得越多
不就意味著湖人被絕殺的次數就越多?腿迷還能把這
個拗成叫擔當,勇於濫投這需要什麼擔當了?拜託拜託
,誰能幫腿迷找找他們的智商和羞恥心到底被馬桶沖
到哪裡去啦?
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By Delia
at 2015-11-27T03:11
樓上 他們就是沒有那種東西才那麼支持中二罪犯啊

為什麼當年歐拉朱萬不教隊友迷蹤步

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By George
at 2015-05-11T13:35
※ 引述《BetaGal (Betagal笑話,曲高和寡)》之銘言: : 那這樣說起來 : 這麼好的進攻武器 : 應該要被整個球隊廣泛運用才對阿 : 如果球隊五個先發通通都會迷蹤步 : 只要運球過半場 : 所有的場上球員,不管有沒有持球 : 都開始迷蹤步 : 這樣防守方的球員應該會瞬間全部被定在地上不知所措吧 ...

跟馬刺打過七戰四勝,等級都會爆增

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By Skylar Davis
at 2015-05-11T13:32
這幾年西區不否認馬刺扮演大魔王的角色, 要過馬刺等於要把壓箱絕活全部掏出來才有勝算。 曾經贏過馬刺的湖人,小牛,灰熊都提升到了另一個境界。 我看現在的快艇大概也是這樣,不是火箭太弱,是快艇太強了。 如果快艇打西冠,對手是勇士的話,就恭喜快艇可以打隊史第一次總冠軍賽了。 如果是灰熊就精彩,應該會打到第七場,勝負 ...

雖然很可惜 但不用太擔心勇士

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By Enid
at 2015-05-11T13:26
先恭喜curry拿到例行賽MVP 勇士聲望如日中天 但是在第2輪被輝雄守到忘記怎麼打球 MVP失去準心 KT整場遊魂 內線被吃爽爽 但curry還年輕 明年可以捲土重來 但 輝雄從成立到現在沒拿過總冠軍 我最愛的半人半神 VC 今年又在輝雄 雖然VC再也飛不起來 而且只能打替補 但只要VC上場 輝雄就感覺 ...

LeBron:不喜歡自己打得這麼低效

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By Daph Bay
at 2015-05-11T13:22
LeBron James: I Hate Being This Inefficient MAY 10, 2015 11:28 PM LeBron James had 25 points on 10-for-30 shooting to go with 14 rebounds, eight assists a ...

快艇還缺什麼

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By Hedy
at 2015-05-11T12:56
今年的CP3變得更敢承擔責任,不嘴泡 中距離跟三分也很有威脅性,帶傷上陣更有魅力 外線兩隻箭頭JJ和Matt三分也很強勢 特別是Matt的防守跟硬度讓這隻球隊看起來不好惹 幹籃哥的中距離ㄧ整個養起來,命中率遠高於書豪 喬丹潛伏內線,怎麼空拋怎麼灌 防守更是有張力,連魔獸都被巴鍋 Crawford ...