當年姆斯選秀? - NBA

By Joe
at 2015-06-28T17:31
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※ 引述《iiiluvu (nolifenonovel)》之銘言:
: 最近板上討論著選秀,狀元夠不夠格啊,湖人是不是選錯啊
: 讓看NBA不久的本魯不禁好奇,現今天下第一人姆斯當年進聯盟前的聲勢到底有多大?
: 整個板都很看好他可以帶領騎士起飛嗎?還是只是老大的第二人,屁孩高中生?
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: Sent from JPTT on my Asus ASUS_T00F.
有些人不知道發生甚麼事,大概是因為酸詹已經變成一種信仰,所以為了維持信仰看起來
就會跟腦殘沒兩樣。跟最近流行的人一藍,就腦殘的道理有異曲同工之妙
先不提LBJ的轉隊甚麼的,重點是沒有人會以「日後有沒有幫球隊拿冠」來評量當初選秀的
順位高低或成功與否。因為能不能拿冠這件事情的變數太多,牽涉到一整個球隊的經營、
方針,包括運氣,不是一個選秀順位可以決定或可以改變的
會用來跟評價選秀成功與否比較有關係的,通常會是球員的生涯數據或表現,或是球員的
生涯長度,再拿來對比選秀順位,這樣才能綜合評價一支球隊的選秀成功與否,或是一個
球員值不值某個順位
按照酸酸邏輯,同樣是1996年選秀成員的Antoine Walker,肯定是比AI更成功的選秀結果
,因為人家好歹也是主將等級的冠軍隊成員,而AI生涯十幾年只拿過一次總亞軍,挑戰冠
軍的成功率=0。同樣1999年的選秀,Artest肯定也比狀元Elton Brand成功,因為Brand根
本沒幫球隊拿過冠軍
用這種邏輯,只為了黑詹,是要笑死人嗎?
一大堆時運不濟沒拿到冠軍的球員,按照這種邏輯根本都是失敗的選秀
用現在的拿冠狀況來評斷Wade是比LBJ成功的選秀,這種事後論是非常怪異的,Wade很強毫
無疑問,但是你頂多說熱火在03年到15年之間的整體運作比騎士成功,不可能藉此論述當
年Wade應該要是狀元,或是選Wade比較正確。因為酸酸用的那種怪異邏輯根本不存在,也
不可能在當時有人看得出來
回到本題,姆斯進聯盟以前的聲勢,差不多就是全美第一的高中生球員,幾乎橫掃高中球
員所能拿到的獎項,身體素質跟球技都很驚人。重點是年紀輕,代表可塑性高,而且球風
從PG到SF都是可行的,表示他可能適應球隊的很多發展方向,潛力驚人
再認真一點講,當時根本沒甚麼人認為他會去大學打籃球,因為完全沒必要,所有觀察者
跟報導都認為他直接可以打NBA,毫無疑問
而且當時還很流行賭高中生的潛力,當時一大堆NBA球員或教練都會藉機出現在LBJ比賽的
體育館,行觀察之實。當時媒體報導幾乎都把他當成第一人,因為對於一個高中生可以打
出這種表現,其實是讓大家很吃驚的。如果我沒記錯的話,各方評價完全不認為他在NBA會
有適應問題
唯一的疑問大概只有:這個高中生可以達到甚麼高度?
事實上NBA每年高順位選秀打不出來的人一堆,原本被認為不值得選結果後來打出來翻紅的
也一堆。但LBJ當年選秀時的聲勢,差不多就是個成熟的NBA球員,用狀元籤選毫無疑問。
而且LBJ是俄亥俄州人,克里夫蘭就是在俄亥俄州,等於是家鄉球員,完全不可能拿選秀籤
去選其他人,除非管理階層腦袋破洞
光是進NBA前就被NIKE簽下長約,這點就是肯定當時LBJ的表現。給高中生選秀球員大份合
約是個賭注,但NIKE毫無疑問的有信心,光從這點就可以知道當年LBJ的聲勢幾乎就是席捲
選秀。不管哪支球隊拿到狀元籤,大概都會選LBJ
當時唯一有機會挑戰LBJ狀元位子的也不是Wade,因為Wade當時是大三才棄學投入選秀,在
那個高中棄學參加選秀還相當盛行的年代,Wade被認為年紀偏大,而且如果我沒記錯的話
,他當時被認為身高偏矮,光是從高中要進NCAA時就很少一級大學願意提供獎學金,投籃
的準度也被懷疑,甚至當時最不看好的還認為Wade有可能變成「雙不能衛」...我是指養壞
或是沒打出來的情況下
所以Wade當時光是爬到前五順位都已經是很嚇人的結果了
唯一有機會挑戰當年狀元位子的,是現在在板上黑到不行的紐約黑幫老大,Melo。但說實
在的,這也只是個理論上的可能,實際上根本沒多少人認為這會發生
是說NBA板嘛,要酸要戰都是種自由,不過為了酸LBJ創造出一大堆詭異的邏輯,醒醒好嗎?
真實世界你要這樣看,選A.C Green也比選Ewing成功啊,別酸到失心瘋好嗎?
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: 最近板上討論著選秀,狀元夠不夠格啊,湖人是不是選錯啊
: 讓看NBA不久的本魯不禁好奇,現今天下第一人姆斯當年進聯盟前的聲勢到底有多大?
: 整個板都很看好他可以帶領騎士起飛嗎?還是只是老大的第二人,屁孩高中生?
: -----
: Sent from JPTT on my Asus ASUS_T00F.
有些人不知道發生甚麼事,大概是因為酸詹已經變成一種信仰,所以為了維持信仰看起來
就會跟腦殘沒兩樣。跟最近流行的人一藍,就腦殘的道理有異曲同工之妙
先不提LBJ的轉隊甚麼的,重點是沒有人會以「日後有沒有幫球隊拿冠」來評量當初選秀的
順位高低或成功與否。因為能不能拿冠這件事情的變數太多,牽涉到一整個球隊的經營、
方針,包括運氣,不是一個選秀順位可以決定或可以改變的
會用來跟評價選秀成功與否比較有關係的,通常會是球員的生涯數據或表現,或是球員的
生涯長度,再拿來對比選秀順位,這樣才能綜合評價一支球隊的選秀成功與否,或是一個
球員值不值某個順位
按照酸酸邏輯,同樣是1996年選秀成員的Antoine Walker,肯定是比AI更成功的選秀結果
,因為人家好歹也是主將等級的冠軍隊成員,而AI生涯十幾年只拿過一次總亞軍,挑戰冠
軍的成功率=0。同樣1999年的選秀,Artest肯定也比狀元Elton Brand成功,因為Brand根
本沒幫球隊拿過冠軍
用這種邏輯,只為了黑詹,是要笑死人嗎?
一大堆時運不濟沒拿到冠軍的球員,按照這種邏輯根本都是失敗的選秀
用現在的拿冠狀況來評斷Wade是比LBJ成功的選秀,這種事後論是非常怪異的,Wade很強毫
無疑問,但是你頂多說熱火在03年到15年之間的整體運作比騎士成功,不可能藉此論述當
年Wade應該要是狀元,或是選Wade比較正確。因為酸酸用的那種怪異邏輯根本不存在,也
不可能在當時有人看得出來
回到本題,姆斯進聯盟以前的聲勢,差不多就是全美第一的高中生球員,幾乎橫掃高中球
員所能拿到的獎項,身體素質跟球技都很驚人。重點是年紀輕,代表可塑性高,而且球風
從PG到SF都是可行的,表示他可能適應球隊的很多發展方向,潛力驚人
再認真一點講,當時根本沒甚麼人認為他會去大學打籃球,因為完全沒必要,所有觀察者
跟報導都認為他直接可以打NBA,毫無疑問
而且當時還很流行賭高中生的潛力,當時一大堆NBA球員或教練都會藉機出現在LBJ比賽的
體育館,行觀察之實。當時媒體報導幾乎都把他當成第一人,因為對於一個高中生可以打
出這種表現,其實是讓大家很吃驚的。如果我沒記錯的話,各方評價完全不認為他在NBA會
有適應問題
唯一的疑問大概只有:這個高中生可以達到甚麼高度?
事實上NBA每年高順位選秀打不出來的人一堆,原本被認為不值得選結果後來打出來翻紅的
也一堆。但LBJ當年選秀時的聲勢,差不多就是個成熟的NBA球員,用狀元籤選毫無疑問。
而且LBJ是俄亥俄州人,克里夫蘭就是在俄亥俄州,等於是家鄉球員,完全不可能拿選秀籤
去選其他人,除非管理階層腦袋破洞
光是進NBA前就被NIKE簽下長約,這點就是肯定當時LBJ的表現。給高中生選秀球員大份合
約是個賭注,但NIKE毫無疑問的有信心,光從這點就可以知道當年LBJ的聲勢幾乎就是席捲
選秀。不管哪支球隊拿到狀元籤,大概都會選LBJ
當時唯一有機會挑戰LBJ狀元位子的也不是Wade,因為Wade當時是大三才棄學投入選秀,在
那個高中棄學參加選秀還相當盛行的年代,Wade被認為年紀偏大,而且如果我沒記錯的話
,他當時被認為身高偏矮,光是從高中要進NCAA時就很少一級大學願意提供獎學金,投籃
的準度也被懷疑,甚至當時最不看好的還認為Wade有可能變成「雙不能衛」...我是指養壞
或是沒打出來的情況下
所以Wade當時光是爬到前五順位都已經是很嚇人的結果了
唯一有機會挑戰當年狀元位子的,是現在在板上黑到不行的紐約黑幫老大,Melo。但說實
在的,這也只是個理論上的可能,實際上根本沒多少人認為這會發生
是說NBA板嘛,要酸要戰都是種自由,不過為了酸LBJ創造出一大堆詭異的邏輯,醒醒好嗎?
真實世界你要這樣看,選A.C Green也比選Ewing成功啊,別酸到失心瘋好嗎?
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