為什麼雙殺打沒有打點?? - 棒球

By Hamiltion
at 2020-03-14T22:14
at 2020-03-14T22:14
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※ 引述《Ayanami5566 (綾波五六)》之銘言:
: 有看過比賽應該都知道 打者擊出雙殺打 不過壘上跑者卻回來得分的情況下
: 打者並沒有打點
: 最常見的的案例就是零人出局滿壘或一三壘有人 打者擊出滾地球雙殺
: 三壘那分跑回來
: 不過沒有打點
: 我一直覺得很怪 這樣打點的限制是不是太嚴苛了一點??
: 雖然打者製造了兩個出局數 不過他至少用棒子幫球隊添得一分
: 總比站在原地三振 或是高飛必死沖天炮 毫無建樹來的好吧
: 為什麼雙殺打不能給打點啊??
: 大家怎麼看?
這問題需要討論到對紀錄的本質理解
舉例來說,如果是三壘有人,0出局1出局的滾地刺殺、跑者得分,為什麼就有打點?
原因很簡單,就是這分得分的結果是防守員無法選擇刺殺三壘跑者而造就的結果。野手很
明確確定了三壘這分是守不住的情況才只能刺殺擊球跑壘員,那表示你打擊的結果也有成
功達成了三壘推進的效果。
反之你打了雙殺打,連帶達成得分的因素是因為野手選擇了刺殺前位跑者、”又”刺殺了
你,這也明確的表示出一動又一動的情況下,防守員其實要選殺本壘這分也是綽綽有餘的
,只是防守員選擇了”取得更多的出局數”的結果而已。而在這過程如果你可以用你的腿
至少上到一壘成為野選上壘而不是雙殺打的時候,因為你證明了你擊出的球是成功讓防守
員沒有充裕的時間策動雙殺的,自然這分打點也是進到你的口袋裡面,以回饋你的出局價
值。
棒球紀錄的本質很多部分也是有思考過邏輯與企圖的,就好比一樣是盜壘推進,如果野手
選擇不看守,就也不會有盜壘的紀錄(而是紀錄野手選擇)很多邏輯只要想得通這些就都
不是問題,所以在這樣的情況下去反思,雙殺打不給打點其實既合情、也合理的。
補充回覆:
其實就算把我噓到歪掉也不會改變雙殺沒打點的事實,還是說應該界定一個打多遠的雙殺
打可以有打點?如果要拿那些能雙殺但不能阻殺本壘的案例來研討,還是同推文所述:如
果用個案去看案例千百種,那棒球規則與紀錄法會比聖經厚十倍有餘。
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: 有看過比賽應該都知道 打者擊出雙殺打 不過壘上跑者卻回來得分的情況下
: 打者並沒有打點
: 最常見的的案例就是零人出局滿壘或一三壘有人 打者擊出滾地球雙殺
: 三壘那分跑回來
: 不過沒有打點
: 我一直覺得很怪 這樣打點的限制是不是太嚴苛了一點??
: 雖然打者製造了兩個出局數 不過他至少用棒子幫球隊添得一分
: 總比站在原地三振 或是高飛必死沖天炮 毫無建樹來的好吧
: 為什麼雙殺打不能給打點啊??
: 大家怎麼看?
這問題需要討論到對紀錄的本質理解
舉例來說,如果是三壘有人,0出局1出局的滾地刺殺、跑者得分,為什麼就有打點?
原因很簡單,就是這分得分的結果是防守員無法選擇刺殺三壘跑者而造就的結果。野手很
明確確定了三壘這分是守不住的情況才只能刺殺擊球跑壘員,那表示你打擊的結果也有成
功達成了三壘推進的效果。
反之你打了雙殺打,連帶達成得分的因素是因為野手選擇了刺殺前位跑者、”又”刺殺了
你,這也明確的表示出一動又一動的情況下,防守員其實要選殺本壘這分也是綽綽有餘的
,只是防守員選擇了”取得更多的出局數”的結果而已。而在這過程如果你可以用你的腿
至少上到一壘成為野選上壘而不是雙殺打的時候,因為你證明了你擊出的球是成功讓防守
員沒有充裕的時間策動雙殺的,自然這分打點也是進到你的口袋裡面,以回饋你的出局價
值。
棒球紀錄的本質很多部分也是有思考過邏輯與企圖的,就好比一樣是盜壘推進,如果野手
選擇不看守,就也不會有盜壘的紀錄(而是紀錄野手選擇)很多邏輯只要想得通這些就都
不是問題,所以在這樣的情況下去反思,雙殺打不給打點其實既合情、也合理的。
補充回覆:
其實就算把我噓到歪掉也不會改變雙殺沒打點的事實,還是說應該界定一個打多遠的雙殺
打可以有打點?如果要拿那些能雙殺但不能阻殺本壘的案例來研討,還是同推文所述:如
果用個案去看案例千百種,那棒球規則與紀錄法會比聖經厚十倍有餘。
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定那要靠什麼呢?

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本壘沒錯 選擇問題

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沒看過棒球?

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啊 前幾樓不要搞笑好嗎

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By Victoria
at 2020-05-30T14:00
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穩雙殺的球 除非三壘跑者在搞笑基本上本壘那分就是
穩送給對方的 不會解釋就不要亂解釋

By Tristan Cohan
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By Edwina
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飛球被接殺然後一分打點

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By Ethan
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飛球有接殺推進原則,不如滾地球想跑都可以跑(例如跑
者先跑打者硬打)所以會把推進價值界定在打者身上

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和事實本來就會有些微差別

By Yuri
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才得分!誰說都是打者的功勞!但這種層面解釋棒球紀錄
真的講不完,所以我不打算解釋這些。

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By Hamiltion
at 2020-07-25T01:06
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成一個都沒抓到的局面
就像你都說了守備球員只是選擇更容易的方式抓出局數
那就代表守備球員沒有把握一定能抓到本壘那一分
但是我接受雙殺打沒打點的理由

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