湖人做什麼都改變不了了吧? - NBA

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※ 引述《justgetup (Kono Dio Da!)》之銘言:
: 龜龜不上也是輸
: 老詹不上也是輸
: 濃眉不上只能輸
: 教練換過了,薪資空間卡死了,排也排不了,誰休都一樣輸,
: 龜龜貼2首輪換人?高層態度上賽季就很明白了,不幹
: 交易老詹?這季頭洗下去了,續約也交易不了
湖人這季的雙陣型其實都有一個影響勝負很大的問題 就是外線三分
外線炸開的時候換哪個陣都一樣慘
就算外線撐住3成5~4成 現實情況就是僅能勉強跟對手五五開
因為場上的身高差根本撐不住對手往禁區圈的輪番攻擊
對手還可以看湖人當天的外線狀況決定要不要防守內縮或快速沉退
自家的禁區太容易被對手這樣打一波攻勢 湖人想反擊只能靠打快拚分數
對爵士那兩場已經是湖人拉速度跟得分手段到極限了 而且外線3分狀況還不差
但下場是被阿爵幹了130/139分 而且上半場都被拿超過70分 防守策略完全失敗
https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202211040LAL.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202211070UTA.html
球隊要有殺手鐧打出一波攻勢 那陣容在攻防兩端要有短時間壓制對手的手段
湖人的方法就只剩打快+看當天三分狀況好不好,而且這還是在球隊禁區防守貧弱的狀況
這其實很掉漆啊
Russ上一季狀況很差被噴爛 但實際上他在上季在球隊給三分助攻是湖人整隊效率最好
這季狀況回復很好是球隊配置了能打快的後場陣 實際上鋒線前場沒解決
等於這套模式只有一半 前場只靠AD在扛防守大洞 而且看下來他開始有點力不從心
這其實是隱藏危機 佩林卡還要看20場再說這根本是笑話
過20場萬一AD倒了他就可以天天去迪士尼了啦 到時補啥都沒用
老詹的話這季狀況很糟比較意外 應該說人真的要服老(?)
當年Jordan在巫師復出其實也是面臨每場球賽打完還要膝蓋去抽積水
年紀到了真的有差 但另一點其實跟球隊陣容有關
老詹需要球商夠的球員或是會控制場上狀況的老球皮跟他搭配
上一季一堆老人跑不動 但實際上老詹在場上靠他們解決不少防守細節
這種狀況不代表是可以贏 而是至少場上的人可以執行好比賽策略
輸贏還是要看球員場上表現&能不能執行戰術到位
不然他也沒辦法還去扛到5號扛到快整季 而且後場主力AR跟Monk也幫助不小
這季跟他搭的老球皮只有天空貝 而且他的得分狀況目前很糟
其他新進的球員 球商搞不好還比不上打第二年的AR
而且AR可能就這樣了 除非他能練出一手穩定的三分+轉打PG
他的基本條件扛不住一堆體能怪的SG+偶爾還錯位打的SF
: 交易AD是最有可能的了,但不是為了湖人,
: 是AD有夠可憐的,進攻防守都要扛4節,所以打到下半場就會沒力,
: 人家公鹿字母死亡五小都是只開收官的時候,
: 你湖人倒從好從第一節,不,開季第一場就一直用,
: AD現在採訪還是樂觀發言,哪天開始抱怨就真的沒救了,
: 打超拚也是輸,不拚也是輸,幹嘛去做大包大覽的苦功?
: 現在湖人只有P+或T1等級了吧?可憐阿
這跟湖人長期的建隊邏輯+球員資產運用方式有關
以現在的球賽風向跟薪資規則/資產配置邏輯來說我覺得方式很"落後"
這是湖人的球員合約:
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/los-angeles-lakers/contracts/
3張MAX 還都是走到尾巴那種 這哪有未來期待值啊
幾乎只剩交易掉再賭一把or等約跑完
別隊GM看在眼裡根本也不需要讓步 因為這籌碼開頭就是比別人弱
即使像勇士那樣薪資大爆炸 他們的MAX合約也只有"兩張"
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/contracts/
薪資第二的快艇 MAX約也是"兩張"
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/los-angeles-clippers/contracts/
第三的籃網 "一張MAX" 很意外吧
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/brooklyn-nets/contracts/
球員MAX合約開出去 實際上吃掉的是球隊薪資上限"比例"計算出的金額
如果球隊中有兩張MAX合約 基本上就吃掉60%以上 而且未來換約還會延續性膨漲
等於距離薪資上限只剩不到4成要去補剩下陣容
以現在的球賽走向 大部分球隊都是把這塊資源押在前場鋒線上
剩下才是補後場陣容 最後才是補中鋒這塊
如果隊中只有一張MAX合約 那組成配置會更健康
比方像熱火隊:
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/miami-heat/contracts/
MAX合約給吉巴這毋庸置疑 前場Adebayo跟後場Herro各一張過3000萬
看起來溢價的Kyle Lowry到最後是2900萬/乾麵哥到最後是1900萬
Kyle Lowry合約只到2023 到了2025薪資大膨漲的時代他已經不在陣容
剩下的成員都是千萬以下/底薪/雙向 而且熱火是運用雙向球員最好的球隊之一
這季整隊薪資排第11 不用繳豪華稅也算季後賽勁旅
明年就算面臨球員換約要繳豪華稅 也有把Kyle Lowry最後一年合約交易出去避稅的手段
https://hoopshype.com/salaries/miami_heat/
這怎麼看都覺得在操作上彈性很大
至於湖人就...愛賭要服輸 自己看著辦吧.........................
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: 龜龜不上也是輸
: 老詹不上也是輸
: 濃眉不上只能輸
: 教練換過了,薪資空間卡死了,排也排不了,誰休都一樣輸,
: 龜龜貼2首輪換人?高層態度上賽季就很明白了,不幹
: 交易老詹?這季頭洗下去了,續約也交易不了
湖人這季的雙陣型其實都有一個影響勝負很大的問題 就是外線三分
外線炸開的時候換哪個陣都一樣慘
就算外線撐住3成5~4成 現實情況就是僅能勉強跟對手五五開
因為場上的身高差根本撐不住對手往禁區圈的輪番攻擊
對手還可以看湖人當天的外線狀況決定要不要防守內縮或快速沉退
自家的禁區太容易被對手這樣打一波攻勢 湖人想反擊只能靠打快拚分數
對爵士那兩場已經是湖人拉速度跟得分手段到極限了 而且外線3分狀況還不差
但下場是被阿爵幹了130/139分 而且上半場都被拿超過70分 防守策略完全失敗
https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202211040LAL.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202211070UTA.html
球隊要有殺手鐧打出一波攻勢 那陣容在攻防兩端要有短時間壓制對手的手段
湖人的方法就只剩打快+看當天三分狀況好不好,而且這還是在球隊禁區防守貧弱的狀況
這其實很掉漆啊
Russ上一季狀況很差被噴爛 但實際上他在上季在球隊給三分助攻是湖人整隊效率最好
這季狀況回復很好是球隊配置了能打快的後場陣 實際上鋒線前場沒解決
等於這套模式只有一半 前場只靠AD在扛防守大洞 而且看下來他開始有點力不從心
這其實是隱藏危機 佩林卡還要看20場再說這根本是笑話
過20場萬一AD倒了他就可以天天去迪士尼了啦 到時補啥都沒用
老詹的話這季狀況很糟比較意外 應該說人真的要服老(?)
當年Jordan在巫師復出其實也是面臨每場球賽打完還要膝蓋去抽積水
年紀到了真的有差 但另一點其實跟球隊陣容有關
老詹需要球商夠的球員或是會控制場上狀況的老球皮跟他搭配
上一季一堆老人跑不動 但實際上老詹在場上靠他們解決不少防守細節
這種狀況不代表是可以贏 而是至少場上的人可以執行好比賽策略
輸贏還是要看球員場上表現&能不能執行戰術到位
不然他也沒辦法還去扛到5號扛到快整季 而且後場主力AR跟Monk也幫助不小
這季跟他搭的老球皮只有天空貝 而且他的得分狀況目前很糟
其他新進的球員 球商搞不好還比不上打第二年的AR
而且AR可能就這樣了 除非他能練出一手穩定的三分+轉打PG
他的基本條件扛不住一堆體能怪的SG+偶爾還錯位打的SF
: 交易AD是最有可能的了,但不是為了湖人,
: 是AD有夠可憐的,進攻防守都要扛4節,所以打到下半場就會沒力,
: 人家公鹿字母死亡五小都是只開收官的時候,
: 你湖人倒從好從第一節,不,開季第一場就一直用,
: AD現在採訪還是樂觀發言,哪天開始抱怨就真的沒救了,
: 打超拚也是輸,不拚也是輸,幹嘛去做大包大覽的苦功?
: 現在湖人只有P+或T1等級了吧?可憐阿
這跟湖人長期的建隊邏輯+球員資產運用方式有關
以現在的球賽風向跟薪資規則/資產配置邏輯來說我覺得方式很"落後"
這是湖人的球員合約:
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/los-angeles-lakers/contracts/
3張MAX 還都是走到尾巴那種 這哪有未來期待值啊
幾乎只剩交易掉再賭一把or等約跑完
別隊GM看在眼裡根本也不需要讓步 因為這籌碼開頭就是比別人弱
即使像勇士那樣薪資大爆炸 他們的MAX合約也只有"兩張"
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/contracts/
薪資第二的快艇 MAX約也是"兩張"
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/los-angeles-clippers/contracts/
第三的籃網 "一張MAX" 很意外吧
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/brooklyn-nets/contracts/
球員MAX合約開出去 實際上吃掉的是球隊薪資上限"比例"計算出的金額
如果球隊中有兩張MAX合約 基本上就吃掉60%以上 而且未來換約還會延續性膨漲
等於距離薪資上限只剩不到4成要去補剩下陣容
以現在的球賽走向 大部分球隊都是把這塊資源押在前場鋒線上
剩下才是補後場陣容 最後才是補中鋒這塊
如果隊中只有一張MAX合約 那組成配置會更健康
比方像熱火隊:
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/miami-heat/contracts/
MAX合約給吉巴這毋庸置疑 前場Adebayo跟後場Herro各一張過3000萬
看起來溢價的Kyle Lowry到最後是2900萬/乾麵哥到最後是1900萬
Kyle Lowry合約只到2023 到了2025薪資大膨漲的時代他已經不在陣容
剩下的成員都是千萬以下/底薪/雙向 而且熱火是運用雙向球員最好的球隊之一
這季整隊薪資排第11 不用繳豪華稅也算季後賽勁旅
明年就算面臨球員換約要繳豪華稅 也有把Kyle Lowry最後一年合約交易出去避稅的手段
https://hoopshype.com/salaries/miami_heat/
這怎麼看都覺得在操作上彈性很大
至於湖人就...愛賭要服輸 自己看著辦吧.........................
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