歷史前十不分名次排行 - NBA

By Tom
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簡單來說喬丹為什麼第一的地位會被
詹姆斯數據派挑戰,但是始終不容易
第一 喬丹給人的贏家的印象,在於:
同一隊兩次三連霸
詹姆斯唯一的二連霸是在東區組一個Super team
而且是跳到早已經有FMVP Wade的熱火組隊
不要說喬丹有皮朋,他第一次奪冠時
旁邊的助手是場均17.8分的25歲小子
不是FMVP Wade, (另有全明星Chris Bosh)
也不是All-star MVP Irving, (另有全明星Kevin Love)
或是目前的 AD
這也是為什麼抱腿的聲音很少出現在喬丹身上。
第二,還是連霸的重要性
雖然主動跨過倒下對手的頭,挑釁了對手,再去跟聯盟討禁賽成功、對方也同時傷了先
發中鋒時,
最後好不容易贏下了2016的冠軍
因此不少人喜歡貶低詹姆斯的手下敗將,
但是假設詹是GOAT,但同時代誰在GOAT拿下多次冠軍?
Curry 三冠從GOAT拿下
KD 兩冠從GOAT拿下
Duncan, Ginobili, Parker 有兩冠從GOAT拿下
這十年來打敗詹姆斯的為數不少
尤其被嘲笑的勇士隊,也在你頭上贏了三冠
你贏了73勝
結果反而也貢獻了三冠出去
看不出來是什麼壓倒性的優勢
你說老喬生涯初期不怎麼樣
但是1991奪冠後幾乎是制霸後面的90年代的
第三、累積數據的重要性在年齡跟場次
LBJ在18歲就加入了NBA,之後NBA也禁止18歲球員參加選秀,以詹姆斯的累積數據能力
他只要打得越久,
自然而然在數據累積下來看起來非常嚇人
比如兩位場均20分的球員,同樣奪冠
一個只用16場奪冠,一個用28場奪冠,
累積數據是320分跟560分,
結果你說在季後賽累積560分的球員比較厲害?
這個是滿有商榷的
第四、缺乏關鍵球賽絕殺記憶
我們記得KI的絕殺三分、Allen對馬刺的關鍵三分、
AD 在西冠的絕殺三分,但是LBJ 的呢?
你看得到是不斷的坦克切入、
穩穩的球在手上傳出助攻,
是的,數據好看也非常可觀也奪了冠,但是..
(傳球給Danny Green)
我知道在現在這個環境下要逆風講詹姆斯,
要很大的勇氣,也可能被反駁,
但是就以上事實是有待討論的。
※ 引述《sck921 (The Fate)》之銘言
: 老實說吧,數據本來就是各自解讀,尤其是團隊運動更是如此。
: 姆斯隊友榮譽、數據差,可以說他弱化隊友,
: 也可以說他隊友和其他人比相對弱,除非拿前後情況對照,不然各說各話。
: 隊伍成績也是如此。
: 喬丹六次進總冠,六次奪冠,可以說他總能神勇發揮100%奪冠。
: 姆斯十次進總冠,四次奪冠,可以說他被打敗六次很可笑。
: 換另一個角度來看。
: 喬丹生涯十五季,僅六次打進總冠軍賽。
: 姆斯生涯十七季,就十次打進總冠軍賽(持續更新中)。
: 40% 比 58% ,你也可以解讀為姆斯在季後賽的表現更好。
: 喬丹和姆斯都有過進不了季後賽的紀錄,也都有過一輪遊。
: 姆斯第三年進入第二輪時,喬丹仍在一輪遊。
: 喬丹第七年奪冠那年,才第一次進入到總決賽。
: 姆斯第四年就進總決賽,但是結果被橫掃。
: 結果就是各自解讀。
: 我同意以聯盟發展和國際市場影響力,喬丹作為 GOAT 當之無愧。
: 但數據累積方面,姆斯確實已經非常接近第一人了。
: 十年、二十年以後,大家可能不會記得誰拿過幾個亞軍。
: 但肯定會記得一個拿下四萬分、一萬籃板、一萬助攻的怪物。
: 而這個成就,若是放在十五年前講出來,毫無疑問會被當作天方夜譚。
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