所謂的唯冠軍論,真的是正確的嗎? - NBA

Heather avatar
By Heather
at 2022-12-09T12:45

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先說結論 我認為不正確
不過畢竟這種事還是偏主觀
所以大家也不用太認真

一般人評價球員的榮譽優先度大概是
個人榮譽 > 主力冠軍 > 累積數據 > 特別事蹟

其中個人榮譽的優先度大概是
MVP >= FMVP > 一陣 > 得分王 > 其他

簡單來說 比較的時候
兩個人要先有實力相當的榮譽 比冠軍才有意義
範例:AI vs 孫悅

籃球已經是相對容易發揮影響力的運動
因此有實力的球星被酸0冠也是可以理解的

不過冠軍真的需要天時地利人和
傷病 隊伍組成 對手程度 都是很關鍵的因素
我覺得除非球員有明顯的缺陷不改 或是氣氛
導致沒辦法拿到冠軍
正常的球星一直酸他們0冠就大可不必了
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Dorothy avatar
By Dorothy
at 2022-12-05T15:18
McCaw:
Irma avatar
By Irma
at 2022-12-10T15:11
今天要酸人就是找痛點酸因人而異
Elvira avatar
By Elvira
at 2022-12-05T15:18
Nash>>>Kidd囉?
Genevieve avatar
By Genevieve
at 2022-12-10T15:11
Nash>Kidd應該沒問題吧 2MVP差距就在那
Victoria avatar
By Victoria
at 2022-12-05T15:18
所以大家才說Nash的MVP很水 18分10助竟然可以拿2次M
VP
Ula avatar
By Ula
at 2022-12-10T15:11
我反而覺得mvp毫無價值,畢竟有刷子拿過
Andy avatar
By Andy
at 2022-12-05T15:18
Nash季後賽也常是被打爆的對象 爆別人次數也很少
Bennie avatar
By Bennie
at 2022-12-10T15:11
沒錯 Nash > Kidd
Annie avatar
By Annie
at 2022-12-05T15:18
廢文
Andrew avatar
By Andrew
at 2022-12-10T15:11
我是覺得同隊阿嬤跟香妹在季後賽影響比他大啦
Caitlin avatar
By Caitlin
at 2022-12-05T15:18
笑死 這樣nash>kidd欸
Oscar avatar
By Oscar
at 2022-12-10T15:11
第二段直接用「一般人」來定義就錯了。因為冠軍才
是最重要,只有那些拿不到冠軍的球員粉絲才會無視
冠軍。例如CP3 Nash AI
Thomas avatar
By Thomas
at 2022-12-05T15:18
Kidd遠大於Nash,討論前五PG沒人會放Nash,但J. Kid
d一定妥妥進榜
Rebecca avatar
By Rebecca
at 2022-12-10T15:11
數據跟榮譽價值真的因人而異,看你想怎麼捧怎麼殺
Edith avatar
By Edith
at 2022-12-05T15:18
近年MVP都是刷子
Emily avatar
By Emily
at 2022-12-10T15:11
WB0>>>>>CP3
Ursula avatar
By Ursula
at 2022-12-05T15:18
怎麼沒人說 stockton 既沒mvp也沒冠軍 還是大於...
Doris avatar
By Doris
at 2022-12-10T15:11
目前推文說的那幾個吧?
這樣會太戰嗎 o o
Dora avatar
By Dora
at 2022-12-05T15:18
對啊史塔克頓助攻抄截根本不可能有人破這紀錄
Lucy avatar
By Lucy
at 2022-12-10T15:11
如果冠軍不重要,打季賽就好了。不用這麼累打季後
賽和冠軍賽。加入NBA就是要爭取最高榮譽。不是什麼
得分王或MVP這種虛無的東西。你不會拿著這些到處走
。但你永遠想要捧一次金盃
Madame avatar
By Madame
at 2022-12-05T15:18
他就衰遇到喬丹...
Donna avatar
By Donna
at 2022-12-10T15:11
頂點要特例討論
Harry avatar
By Harry
at 2022-12-05T15:18
哪一天有人接近他的累積就…下神壇了
Jessica avatar
By Jessica
at 2022-12-10T15:11
top20就要比冠軍啊 個人榮譽都拿到手軟了
Freda avatar
By Freda
at 2022-12-05T15:18
不過會被嘲諷0冠代表已經認為他是個咖了
Elma avatar
By Elma
at 2022-12-10T15:11
不然誰在意有沒有冠
Oliver avatar
By Oliver
at 2022-12-05T15:18
LBJ在騎士還沒拿過冠軍時,歷史評價如何,大家記得
嗎?
Ophelia avatar
By Ophelia
at 2022-12-10T15:11
有在生涯前半就討論歷史評價的嗎…
Suhail Hany avatar
By Suhail Hany
at 2022-12-05T15:18
McCaw: >>>>>>>>>>>>9成
Jessica avatar
By Jessica
at 2022-12-10T15:11
我提及的比較方式是一個大致上的通則
Iris avatar
By Iris
at 2022-12-05T15:18
Stockton 就是一個很特例的存在 像這種咖大家通常會
特別拉出來討論 所以沒特別說明
至於 Nash Kidd CP3 是老三角習題了 版上以前也討論
過好幾次
Linda avatar
By Linda
at 2022-12-10T15:11
MVP很沒意義
Kumar avatar
By Kumar
at 2022-12-05T15:18
事實MVP是比榮譽的的先決條件,所以為什麼可愛有2F
MVP排名這樣後面因為沒MVP
Kumar avatar
By Kumar
at 2022-12-10T15:11
不就都要比,不然有誰缺啥就說啥不重要
Regina avatar
By Regina
at 2022-12-05T15:18
cp3就是典型什麼都沒有啊
Heather avatar
By Heather
at 2022-12-10T15:11
CP3就雖小被偷mvp
Ina avatar
By Ina
at 2022-12-05T15:18
Nash > Kidd的排名比較多吧,是要笑死啥?
Joe avatar
By Joe
at 2022-12-10T15:11
Kidd 還是> Nash
Kumar avatar
By Kumar
at 2022-12-05T15:18
MVP絕大多數的時候都很有指標性怎麼可能不看
Steve avatar
By Steve
at 2022-12-10T15:11
你自己問問0冠的想要MVP,還是冠軍…
Necoo avatar
By Necoo
at 2022-12-05T15:18
前五PG怎麼可能有kidd
魔術咖哩笑湯大OLogo老史這六個一定比kidd前面的
Dorothy avatar
By Dorothy
at 2022-12-10T15:11
Nash > Kidd 沒有問題, Kidd 數據更爛
Poppy avatar
By Poppy
at 2022-12-05T15:18
誰叫cp3那季兩次對戰kobe都輸球
Mary avatar
By Mary
at 2022-12-10T15:11
說Nash MVP年18分的~ 也不看看Kidd大概都12-15分
Leila avatar
By Leila
at 2022-12-05T15:18
MVP一年只有一個,冠軍一年有很多個
Victoria avatar
By Victoria
at 2022-12-10T15:11
說MVP沒意義真的笑死,維持整季的高檔以為很容易?
Kumar avatar
By Kumar
at 2022-12-05T15:18
控衛之神Stockton!
Donna avatar
By Donna
at 2022-12-10T15:11
一般人?
Madame avatar
By Madame
at 2022-12-05T15:18
MVP還是主要決定榮譽的第一要件吧
想要冠軍不代表MVP不重要阿 不然也不會很多老年上車
Agatha avatar
By Agatha
at 2022-12-10T15:11
也知道自己拿不到FMVP 但得不到的東西就是希望得到
剛剛打的邏輯有點怪,應該說MVP拿到後會渴望冠軍也
Una avatar
By Una
at 2022-12-05T15:18
是必然的 即使不是FMVP 但就是希望拿冠生涯才沒遺憾
Wallis avatar
By Wallis
at 2022-12-10T15:11
Nash>>Kidd Kidd多蹭到一冠而已
Steve avatar
By Steve
at 2022-12-05T15:18
基本上阿,極端值拉進來就不用討論了,會有無冕王這
Elvira avatar
By Elvira
at 2022-12-10T15:11
種綽號的球員就是永遠差冠軍那麼一點,真的是命。
Hazel avatar
By Hazel
at 2022-12-05T15:18
至於 MVP 跟 FMVP 哪個比重高? 真的會去比這東西的
球員來講,後者可能稍微高一點,原因是 FMVP 綁冠軍
Isla avatar
By Isla
at 2022-12-10T15:11
阿... 如果沒有這樣綁著,那覺得差不多,甚至 MVP
還更高一點,因為要維持巔峰其實很困難。
Caroline avatar
By Caroline
at 2022-12-05T15:18
Nash Kidd算是有得比吧,沒有到誰屌打誰
Jessica avatar
By Jessica
at 2022-12-10T15:11
我同意個人榮譽優先於冠軍數 不過個人榮譽也不是只
有mvp
Agatha avatar
By Agatha
at 2022-12-05T15:18
大多數情況mvp還是很重要 可以說是當時聯盟第一人
Margaret avatar
By Margaret
at 2022-12-10T15:11
正常都嘛MVP>>>>FMVP 槍希、小ai都拿過FMVP 哪有幾
個人會把他們跟Nash、Kidd相提並論
Sierra Rose avatar
By Sierra Rose
at 2022-12-05T15:18
Kidd Nash老問題 累積數據 進總冠數 MVP 各有擁護者
Eartha avatar
By Eartha
at 2022-12-10T15:11
主力拿冠軍才比較會被記住 不然老實說我根本不認識
巴克利
Bennie avatar
By Bennie
at 2022-12-05T15:18
寫的很好,但在這裡就是喜歡吵這個
Ophelia avatar
By Ophelia
at 2022-12-10T15:11
老史是很強,但他從來沒當球隊老大打出過什麼,他
根本沒理由跟Nash、Kidd、CP3放在一起討論
Hedda avatar
By Hedda
at 2022-12-05T15:18
先得到其他榮譽 再來才是比較有沒有奪冠
Andy avatar
By Andy
at 2022-12-10T15:11
國外一堆排名都老史>kidd nash… 雲球迷醒醒
Catherine avatar
By Catherine
at 2022-12-05T15:18
你要成為一時之選 沒奪冠憑甚麼
Erin avatar
By Erin
at 2022-12-10T15:11
純看戒指就還好 不然之前有McCaw王朝?
戒指是最頂端的數據都有 開始討論誰是Top
Rebecca avatar
By Rebecca
at 2022-12-05T15:18
Horry也是一堆戒指 但是沒什麼討論空間
Adele avatar
By Adele
at 2022-12-10T15:11
Nash那兩年的太陽可以打爆Kidd待過任何隊
Callum avatar
By Callum
at 2022-12-05T15:18
冠軍一年有12人有,MVP一年才1人得
Gilbert avatar
By Gilbert
at 2022-12-10T15:11
人家季後賽厚厚一本戰術專門守爆你,還能fmvp才是
Gilbert avatar
By Gilbert
at 2022-12-05T15:18
最難的吧
Erin avatar
By Erin
at 2022-12-10T15:11
組球隊kidd>nash
Heather avatar
By Heather
at 2022-12-05T15:18
nash丟到當年籃網能打到冠軍賽?
Barb Cronin avatar
By Barb Cronin
at 2022-12-10T15:11
Horry每冠都關鍵跳出來救駕,每個FMVP分一點給他都
湊個兩座了
Agatha avatar
By Agatha
at 2022-12-05T15:18
原來這年頭MVP已經不重要啦...
Bethany avatar
By Bethany
at 2022-12-10T15:11
冷笑話那一套就是季賽控衛搖籃,豪哥 鬍子也都打出
生涯最高峰,再選100次也是選kidd
Lydia avatar
By Lydia
at 2022-12-05T15:18
我也覺得唯冠軍論還要看該名球員在隊中的影響力
Kumar avatar
By Kumar
at 2022-12-10T15:11
每個人看法不同 但場內場外我都更喜歡NASH

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