在宣稱喬丹最偉大前你所需要知道的5件事 - NBA
By Carolina Franco
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Table of Contents
※ 引述《onionandy (Kayou)》之銘言：
: 我覺得這篇蠻厲害的
: 厲害在哪裡呢？他講的基本上是事實沒錯
: 但是他沒有講的東西可多了
: 在他預設的前提條件下被忽略了一大堆
: 要戳破這篇還要一個一個查資料
: 真的厲害
: NBA reference點開來一看就知道了
: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html
: 照這個預設標準估計所有球員都可以被講得很爛
: ※ 引述《kyle5241 (Kyle Korver)》之銘言：
: : https://twitter.com/FTFonFS1/status/1316013116912615427?s=20
: : The case against Michael Jordan not being the GOAT, according to
: : @getnickwright
: : 為什麼喬丹不是史上最偉大的球員呢？
: : 1. Loser without Pippen
: : 2. Never once beat Larry Bird
: : 3. Could never beat a Super Team
: : 4. The East was terrible
: : 5. Everyone won rings on his watch
: : "We pretend Jordan's career was 6 years long."
: : 1. Loser without Pippen
: : 沒有皮朋時只是個輸家
: : 在皮朋出現前，公牛隊只是一個勝率5成以下的球隊
: : 沒有皮朋的巫師也是
: : 但沒有喬丹的公牛還蠻強的
: 「在皮朋出現之前」這句話沒講的事情是
: 喬丹是1984-85球季第三順位加入公牛
: 皮朋則是1987-88球季的第五順位，跟超音速換來的
: 所以說喬丹是生涯前三年勝率不到5成
: 而公牛在選進喬丹前一年是全聯盟倒數第二的隊伍(27-55)
: 是實質倒數第二而不是隊中明星傷退導致戰績一厥不振
: 喬丹第一年公牛的戰績是(38-44)老七進季後賽
: 敗給全聯盟第三有雙星的公鹿
: 皮朋第一年也還是個7.9分新人替補
: 通篇講得好像喬丹沒了皮朋就不行，真的厲害
: 至於巫師
: 也是前一年倒數第二
: 還要38.39歲的老喬下去打
: 這也可以拿出來酸
: 蠻厲害的
看一下MJ生涯前幾季 公牛戰績
騎士姆斯
27 55 .329 17 65 .207
W L 選到MJ W L 選到姆斯
38 44 .463 35 47 .427
30 52 .366 42 40 .512
40 42 .488 50 32 .610
W L 選到皮朋
50 32 .610 50 32 .610
47 35 .573 45 37 .549
55 27 .671 66 16 .805
61 21 .744 第一冠 61 21 .744 底西訊
你要說選到皮朋以後沒差別實在沒什麼說服力
只能說MJ很幸運 制服組有機會選到皮朋
皮朋也只有第一年是替補 第二年就開始先發了
而MJ 15年球員生涯有10年跟皮朋重疊在一起
等於最顛峰的時間都是在跟皮朋打球
排除掉巫師隊已經老扣扣
(那只能說沒什麼人能像郵差38歲一樣猛)
MJ其實也沒什麼機會再去證明他沒皮朋還是能拿冠
畢竟他們一起就拿六冠了 傻了才想拆夥
因此這命題說MJ沒了皮朋就是輸家
但其實頂多只能說剛進聯盟前三年的MJ還沒把公牛拉起來
皮朋來了當副手幫助了他 然後就開始了公牛王朝
至於前三年沒成績 除了前一年主力受傷的那種
哪個樂透新秀不是這樣?
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: 我覺得這篇蠻厲害的
: 厲害在哪裡呢？他講的基本上是事實沒錯
: 但是他沒有講的東西可多了
: 在他預設的前提條件下被忽略了一大堆
: 要戳破這篇還要一個一個查資料
: 真的厲害
: NBA reference點開來一看就知道了
: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html
: 照這個預設標準估計所有球員都可以被講得很爛
: ※ 引述《kyle5241 (Kyle Korver)》之銘言：
: : https://twitter.com/FTFonFS1/status/1316013116912615427?s=20
: : The case against Michael Jordan not being the GOAT, according to
: : @getnickwright
: : 為什麼喬丹不是史上最偉大的球員呢？
: : 1. Loser without Pippen
: : 2. Never once beat Larry Bird
: : 3. Could never beat a Super Team
: : 4. The East was terrible
: : 5. Everyone won rings on his watch
: : "We pretend Jordan's career was 6 years long."
: : 1. Loser without Pippen
: : 沒有皮朋時只是個輸家
: : 在皮朋出現前，公牛隊只是一個勝率5成以下的球隊
: : 沒有皮朋的巫師也是
: : 但沒有喬丹的公牛還蠻強的
: 「在皮朋出現之前」這句話沒講的事情是
: 喬丹是1984-85球季第三順位加入公牛
: 皮朋則是1987-88球季的第五順位，跟超音速換來的
: 所以說喬丹是生涯前三年勝率不到5成
: 而公牛在選進喬丹前一年是全聯盟倒數第二的隊伍(27-55)
: 是實質倒數第二而不是隊中明星傷退導致戰績一厥不振
: 喬丹第一年公牛的戰績是(38-44)老七進季後賽
: 敗給全聯盟第三有雙星的公鹿
: 皮朋第一年也還是個7.9分新人替補
: 通篇講得好像喬丹沒了皮朋就不行，真的厲害
: 至於巫師
: 也是前一年倒數第二
: 還要38.39歲的老喬下去打
: 這也可以拿出來酸
: 蠻厲害的
看一下MJ生涯前幾季 公牛戰績
騎士姆斯
27 55 .329 17 65 .207
W L 選到MJ W L 選到姆斯
38 44 .463 35 47 .427
30 52 .366 42 40 .512
40 42 .488 50 32 .610
W L 選到皮朋
50 32 .610 50 32 .610
47 35 .573 45 37 .549
55 27 .671 66 16 .805
61 21 .744 第一冠 61 21 .744 底西訊
你要說選到皮朋以後沒差別實在沒什麼說服力
只能說MJ很幸運 制服組有機會選到皮朋
皮朋也只有第一年是替補 第二年就開始先發了
而MJ 15年球員生涯有10年跟皮朋重疊在一起
等於最顛峰的時間都是在跟皮朋打球
排除掉巫師隊已經老扣扣
(那只能說沒什麼人能像郵差38歲一樣猛)
MJ其實也沒什麼機會再去證明他沒皮朋還是能拿冠
畢竟他們一起就拿六冠了 傻了才想拆夥
因此這命題說MJ沒了皮朋就是輸家
但其實頂多只能說剛進聯盟前三年的MJ還沒把公牛拉起來
皮朋來了當副手幫助了他 然後就開始了公牛王朝
至於前三年沒成績 除了前一年主力受傷的那種
哪個樂透新秀不是這樣?
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