包容誤判和假摔的病態感 - 世足

By George
at 2010-06-28T06:04
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※ 引述《Seikan (星函)》之銘言:
: 老實說我是一月球迷,以下是由外行人的觀點提出的問題,
: 請各位先進手下留情別砲得太大力謝謝~~.~>
足球一百多年的運動 一直以來都是這樣
我來跟你稍微講解一下
: 今天德國以4:[1(+1)]大勝,以在下個人而言真的看得很不爽,
足球就是這樣 又不是每個人看的都會爽
我阿根廷華僑 看今天贏球也沒很爽 不過還是贏了
: 也想對這裡個禮拜來看到足球的"容錯率"感到相當驚訝和不解。
今天英國那球跟阿根廷的那球 都很扯 我承認
不過比賽就是這樣啊
你說容錯率 個人覺得蠻外行的
我不只看足球 還會踢
如果你說什麼都要科學來評斷的話
頂多是射過線 跟出界可以用鷹眼來判斷 這點我支持
至於手球跟其他的犯規 我就只好說你是外行了
一場比賽下來有多少肢體衝突 有多少鏟球是碰到腳又碰到球的
你要怎麼要定義 以碰到腳的比例跟碰到球的比例來算嗎?
你要怎麼去評斷抓人 跟身體擋球?
如果抓人算犯規 比賽每10秒就會停一次
還踢個屁?!
: 像以今天來說的話,追平的那球被裁判吃掉真的差太多了,
: 如果當初判決是2:2的話,想來必定會影響後來戰局的發展!
當然會影響 不過比賽就是這樣 本來就沒有一定的公平性
: 當然也可從這件事看出,足球判決其實是常與科學互相牴觸、
: 卻又更常不願面對真相的一件鴕鳥差事,
為何一定要面對 維持傳統不是很好?
百年以來都是這樣踢的
而且世界這麼多國家 每個國家不是都負擔的起這種龐大花費
假設英超設定了這種系統
如果非洲的國家從來沒用過這種系統 跟常常再用這種系統踢的國家對上
不就是一種起始點就不公平的局面嗎
: 像今天那球擺明就是裁判追不上球的速度,
: 最後只好"下"(還是"猜"?!)一個判斷說球沒進的詭譎現象。
: 如果這在過去攝影技術還不發達的時代還說得過去,
: 不過現今比賽場地根本隨時架著20來台攝影機作即時全球轉播和慢動作重播,
就是因為這就是傳統 人的眼睛不是萬能的
我也希望 進球線有裝這種系統會挺不錯的
不過 足球 有這種誤判 10場比賽都不一定有一球
又不是像網球 一天到晚 一場球有幾百顆球壓在線上
費這麼大的勁 再裝這種系統幹嘛
至於越位 這又很難判 越位線每秒鐘都在變
進攻方只要不參予進攻就不算越位
每一球都要經過電腦裁定 比賽要拖多久啊
還是你說 有進球的時候才異議
那平常沒判到的越位還是不公平啊
: 明明3分鐘內就可以確定的判決,卻還要應是裁判回去寫判決悔過書,
: 然後接受一個根本不是事實的結果。
進球就是事實了
: 雖說用其他運動比賽來比擬並不完全適合,但僅從實事求是的比賽公正性去看,
: 例如在當今棒球判斷全壘打出界與否已可調閱影片重判、
棒球每球每球中都在停 沒啥鳥時間限制
: 網球出界能以精準測量的鷹眼作次數挑戰的邏輯看來,
網球也是每球中間都停頓
: 足球似乎還停在一種墨守成規的原始判決裡,想來實在是令人在在想不太透。
: 明明是國際級的賽事,卻硬是要全世界的人跟裁判一起瞎了眼,
: 然後再來亡羊補牢,這種感覺真的超級不好的。
維持傳統 你能瞞過裁判的眼睛就行了
: 或許會有人想說上一句話給像我這樣的一月球迷,也就是說:"這就是規定。"
: 不過規則分明也是可以改的,不該是釘死在那裡卻又跟邏輯自打嘴巴的吧?
: 再回想起這些日子以來,重播畫面裡眾位球星你撞過來我飛出去、
: 你打胸口我摀顏面的紙片人模樣....就更加令人對整個足球比賽的生態感到困惑....
: 若是更改規定可以讓比賽變得更公正更科學,
你要怎麼裁定打人的定義是個問題 所以說了裁判沒看清楚你想裝死也行
你可以不爽那些裝死的人 但是就這樣才有趣啊
足球本來就是人人都可以踢的 加上科學這種死板的東西..哪來的熱情啊...
有創造力 你只要把球弄進球門 裁判說進就是進了
: 那為何"公平公正公開的賽事",卻還是硬要承受人類的劣根性和裁判體能極限?
: 那為何還要耗費此多資源架上眾台攝影機,
: 讓觀眾好一飽眼福觀看球賽、還可順便一窺現場"貨真價實"的實況轉播?
: 為何大家都得承受這個FIFA亡羊卻不太願意補牢的做法?
我到是覺得 把球場的大螢幕拿掉才是正確的做法
這樣沒有人能確定到底是不是誤判
說實在 你沒去球場看過球
遠遠的根本看不清楚
越位這種東西 看到裁判舉旗了才知道
你看電視 當然看得清楚
球場的熱情 不是一月球迷能了解的
真的是 進球就是爽
就算是誤判了 也是回到家裡看電視才知道
但是比賽都結束了 有差嗎?
題外話..你不爽很正常...我看球就算贏球每一場罵的髒話一定比你多
: 當然裁判也是人、球員也想偷吃步的心態是在所難免,
: 但面對誇張或惡性重大的造假動作,乃至對比賽具有絕對影響(如得失分)的判決方面,
: 是不是該有更大彈性的容錯更正性才行?
個人覺得不需要 重複一遍 把球場的大螢幕拿掉 讓裁判,球員無法看到重播
他們會覺得進球就是進球 才會趕快想辦法追分回來
: 或許這樣也可避免掉許多事後的忿懣和指責,
: 以期足球比賽變得比較"科學客觀"且"人性光明"一點的吧。
: 不知道眾位的想法又是如何,若能給在下一些指引和意見討論,
: 著實是相當歡迎且感激~:)
嗯... 有機會去歐洲 南美洲的現場看場球吧
大螢幕真的應該要拿掉
--
: 老實說我是一月球迷,以下是由外行人的觀點提出的問題,
: 請各位先進手下留情別砲得太大力謝謝~~.~>
足球一百多年的運動 一直以來都是這樣
我來跟你稍微講解一下
: 今天德國以4:[1(+1)]大勝,以在下個人而言真的看得很不爽,
足球就是這樣 又不是每個人看的都會爽
我阿根廷華僑 看今天贏球也沒很爽 不過還是贏了
: 也想對這裡個禮拜來看到足球的"容錯率"感到相當驚訝和不解。
今天英國那球跟阿根廷的那球 都很扯 我承認
不過比賽就是這樣啊
你說容錯率 個人覺得蠻外行的
我不只看足球 還會踢
如果你說什麼都要科學來評斷的話
頂多是射過線 跟出界可以用鷹眼來判斷 這點我支持
至於手球跟其他的犯規 我就只好說你是外行了
一場比賽下來有多少肢體衝突 有多少鏟球是碰到腳又碰到球的
你要怎麼要定義 以碰到腳的比例跟碰到球的比例來算嗎?
你要怎麼去評斷抓人 跟身體擋球?
如果抓人算犯規 比賽每10秒就會停一次
還踢個屁?!
: 像以今天來說的話,追平的那球被裁判吃掉真的差太多了,
: 如果當初判決是2:2的話,想來必定會影響後來戰局的發展!
當然會影響 不過比賽就是這樣 本來就沒有一定的公平性
: 當然也可從這件事看出,足球判決其實是常與科學互相牴觸、
: 卻又更常不願面對真相的一件鴕鳥差事,
為何一定要面對 維持傳統不是很好?
百年以來都是這樣踢的
而且世界這麼多國家 每個國家不是都負擔的起這種龐大花費
假設英超設定了這種系統
如果非洲的國家從來沒用過這種系統 跟常常再用這種系統踢的國家對上
不就是一種起始點就不公平的局面嗎
: 像今天那球擺明就是裁判追不上球的速度,
: 最後只好"下"(還是"猜"?!)一個判斷說球沒進的詭譎現象。
: 如果這在過去攝影技術還不發達的時代還說得過去,
: 不過現今比賽場地根本隨時架著20來台攝影機作即時全球轉播和慢動作重播,
就是因為這就是傳統 人的眼睛不是萬能的
我也希望 進球線有裝這種系統會挺不錯的
不過 足球 有這種誤判 10場比賽都不一定有一球
又不是像網球 一天到晚 一場球有幾百顆球壓在線上
費這麼大的勁 再裝這種系統幹嘛
至於越位 這又很難判 越位線每秒鐘都在變
進攻方只要不參予進攻就不算越位
每一球都要經過電腦裁定 比賽要拖多久啊
還是你說 有進球的時候才異議
那平常沒判到的越位還是不公平啊
: 明明3分鐘內就可以確定的判決,卻還要應是裁判回去寫判決悔過書,
: 然後接受一個根本不是事實的結果。
進球就是事實了
: 雖說用其他運動比賽來比擬並不完全適合,但僅從實事求是的比賽公正性去看,
: 例如在當今棒球判斷全壘打出界與否已可調閱影片重判、
棒球每球每球中都在停 沒啥鳥時間限制
: 網球出界能以精準測量的鷹眼作次數挑戰的邏輯看來,
網球也是每球中間都停頓
: 足球似乎還停在一種墨守成規的原始判決裡,想來實在是令人在在想不太透。
: 明明是國際級的賽事,卻硬是要全世界的人跟裁判一起瞎了眼,
: 然後再來亡羊補牢,這種感覺真的超級不好的。
維持傳統 你能瞞過裁判的眼睛就行了
: 或許會有人想說上一句話給像我這樣的一月球迷,也就是說:"這就是規定。"
: 不過規則分明也是可以改的,不該是釘死在那裡卻又跟邏輯自打嘴巴的吧?
: 再回想起這些日子以來,重播畫面裡眾位球星你撞過來我飛出去、
: 你打胸口我摀顏面的紙片人模樣....就更加令人對整個足球比賽的生態感到困惑....
: 若是更改規定可以讓比賽變得更公正更科學,
你要怎麼裁定打人的定義是個問題 所以說了裁判沒看清楚你想裝死也行
你可以不爽那些裝死的人 但是就這樣才有趣啊
足球本來就是人人都可以踢的 加上科學這種死板的東西..哪來的熱情啊...
有創造力 你只要把球弄進球門 裁判說進就是進了
: 那為何"公平公正公開的賽事",卻還是硬要承受人類的劣根性和裁判體能極限?
: 那為何還要耗費此多資源架上眾台攝影機,
: 讓觀眾好一飽眼福觀看球賽、還可順便一窺現場"貨真價實"的實況轉播?
: 為何大家都得承受這個FIFA亡羊卻不太願意補牢的做法?
我到是覺得 把球場的大螢幕拿掉才是正確的做法
這樣沒有人能確定到底是不是誤判
說實在 你沒去球場看過球
遠遠的根本看不清楚
越位這種東西 看到裁判舉旗了才知道
你看電視 當然看得清楚
球場的熱情 不是一月球迷能了解的
真的是 進球就是爽
就算是誤判了 也是回到家裡看電視才知道
但是比賽都結束了 有差嗎?
題外話..你不爽很正常...我看球就算贏球每一場罵的髒話一定比你多
: 當然裁判也是人、球員也想偷吃步的心態是在所難免,
: 但面對誇張或惡性重大的造假動作,乃至對比賽具有絕對影響(如得失分)的判決方面,
: 是不是該有更大彈性的容錯更正性才行?
個人覺得不需要 重複一遍 把球場的大螢幕拿掉 讓裁判,球員無法看到重播
他們會覺得進球就是進球 才會趕快想辦法追分回來
: 或許這樣也可避免掉許多事後的忿懣和指責,
: 以期足球比賽變得比較"科學客觀"且"人性光明"一點的吧。
: 不知道眾位的想法又是如何,若能給在下一些指引和意見討論,
: 著實是相當歡迎且感激~:)
嗯... 有機會去歐洲 南美洲的現場看場球吧
大螢幕真的應該要拿掉
--
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at 2010-06-28T05:50
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By Caroline
at 2010-06-28T05:49
at 2010-06-28T05:49
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By Agnes
at 2010-06-28T05:25
at 2010-06-28T05:25
德甲跟英超的水準差很多嗎?

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at 2010-06-28T05:18
at 2010-06-28T05:18