今天MLB球賽 (美聯) - 美國職棒
By Donna
at 2011-08-26T00:30
at 2011-08-26T00:30
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: 那請問什麼是對的方向呢?
: 先說說我從那些文章中看到什麼好了,基本上除了上色的部分可能多少讓人覺
: 得眼花撩亂外,整體上他 po 的內容都是符合事實、不虛構、且重點是不是只
: 光看分數盒子說故事,他還有查一些相關的球員紀錄、本季近況、甚至當天場
: 上的狀況 (我也是看了那篇才知道 Carlos Santana 今天有傷退),雖然也許
: 不夠多,但起碼這不是一篇只花兩三分鐘就寫好的無腦文,或者開眼睛博士
: 軟體寫的偽翻譯文。
: 所以說,在這個版認真的發個文章,就算深度不是最好,也不是對的方向囉?
: 你口中的那些強者大大,哪一個當年不是從菜鳥培養經驗慢慢茁壯的?彼此的
: 差別也許只在有無 po 版討論賺經驗值而已,今天誰也沒把握說自己戰的人以
: 後會不會越變越強成為下一個大大,既然可以知道對方或許僅出自於熱忱,那
: 何不多一點寬容?且照你的標準,很多戰況文或者戰績文其實也可以收一收,
: 因為坦白講那些文章通常也只有熱度而已。
: 至於要談有深度的東西,我以前在這版也用過不同 ID 翻譯過 BBTN 的文章,
: 聽起來好像有那麼點深度吧?裡面一堆數據耶,且不是打擊率防禦率那種,可
: 是事實是除了當初版主給 mark 外,一篇文章也沒賺到多少共鳴甚至多少喊推
: 的,如果說版是用來討論的,那我翻這類的東西是不是也沒成功?
: 深度?有時候只是給志同道合的人的凝聚理由而已,且這個版並不是沒給資深
: 版友生存的空間,只是現在人比較多了,以前年代的強者又因工作或者走入家
: 庭等因素較少發文了,你所謂的深度文「看起來」比例上是少了那麼點而已。
: 但你其實仍然可以自己爭取 po 文,提升深度文的可見度,基本上你想表達的
: 我明白,只是,我真的覺得你挑了篇不是那麼符合你所說的現象的文章開炮而
: 已,這可惜了點。
其實也不用像推文中有人說用私信閒聊,就在這裡討論就好。因為我覺得這是這個板
的事,多一點人看多一點參與討論,會讓很多東西更加清楚,這樣溝通才有意義。
我並不覺得這篇不符合現象而開砲,我沒有否定原PO花時間,但問題是意義在哪?因
為你能做的整理實在太多,像這樣的整理,加上sawkuanwoo板友的文章,接下來每天
最少大概就有五篇,事實上,還有很多這個類型的可以整理,隨便兩個列子,可以整
理pregame的preview,每隊投手成績,該注意的打者,或是可以整理一篇每日戰績表,
逐日分析。
我同意板上有一群板友就像KOBEJIASAI來這裡就只是想輕鬆的看些東西,所以有人整
理這東西很方便,但同時也會有一群人來這裡就是想看的乾淨的板,可以看到有意的
討論和新資訊。
我私底下跟朋友聊天也是有提過也許該開mlb影音板,MLB討論板和MLB閒聊板之類的,
因為不同的人來這個板期待的東西都不一樣。但現實的狀況下,只能想辦法顧及不
同需求的人所要看的東西。
事實上,我花了很多時間在思考,到底MLB板要像推文中有人提的精英化就必需走回去
小眾板,還是一旦變大眾板就必需做到所謂普羅大眾的去精英化,但過去幾年我並不
覺得這是一個必然的結果。事實上MLB板在過去年很多人所謂專業球迷所使用的專業數據
,已經變成大多數來MLB板友共同價值,甚至一些進階數據都變成基本常識。說實在的,
我在美國這幾年,我認識的老美,連obp/ops都不知道大有人在,更不用講一些進階數據
。換句話講,MLB板的板友在這些討論的過程都得到了很多東西。
那也許我們就顧及所有人要看的東西是不是解決方案呢?
可惜不是,因為要有分析的文章,他的產量並不大,而且要有產出並不容意。換句話講,
如果以現在的狀況,類似今日系列的文章的產量,這些分析的章會被洗的乾乾淨淨。
要組成一個英文的分析文章的網章,並沒有很困難,
要組成一個普羅大眾的中文網站,也很容易。
但是要像MLB板這種討論一些分析文章的中文社群,並不容易,一旦消失,那要在找回來
基本上就是不可能了。
以現在狀況,我是認為已經到了一個零界點。
最近翻譯文章翻的最好的,不用講,就是Fitzwilliam大的球探報告怎麼寫。但再之前
我實在找了很久找不到類似的,而一些討論比較有意思的就是討論KING那篇,很激烈然後
一堆人因為不夠和諧然後被送進DL,此外就沒了。
所以你可以有無限多的整理可以做,可以PO文,但事實上一旦淪為日記式的文章,那只是
洗板而己,而推文充滿反串或老梗,不旦沒有達到真正討論的目的,而且還會造成惡性循
環,至於說發文發出興趣而發好文,我只能說我不太相信就是了。
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http://tunababy.wordpress.com
--
: 先說說我從那些文章中看到什麼好了,基本上除了上色的部分可能多少讓人覺
: 得眼花撩亂外,整體上他 po 的內容都是符合事實、不虛構、且重點是不是只
: 光看分數盒子說故事,他還有查一些相關的球員紀錄、本季近況、甚至當天場
: 上的狀況 (我也是看了那篇才知道 Carlos Santana 今天有傷退),雖然也許
: 不夠多,但起碼這不是一篇只花兩三分鐘就寫好的無腦文,或者開眼睛博士
: 軟體寫的偽翻譯文。
: 所以說,在這個版認真的發個文章,就算深度不是最好,也不是對的方向囉?
: 你口中的那些強者大大,哪一個當年不是從菜鳥培養經驗慢慢茁壯的?彼此的
: 差別也許只在有無 po 版討論賺經驗值而已,今天誰也沒把握說自己戰的人以
: 後會不會越變越強成為下一個大大,既然可以知道對方或許僅出自於熱忱,那
: 何不多一點寬容?且照你的標準,很多戰況文或者戰績文其實也可以收一收,
: 因為坦白講那些文章通常也只有熱度而已。
: 至於要談有深度的東西,我以前在這版也用過不同 ID 翻譯過 BBTN 的文章,
: 聽起來好像有那麼點深度吧?裡面一堆數據耶,且不是打擊率防禦率那種,可
: 是事實是除了當初版主給 mark 外,一篇文章也沒賺到多少共鳴甚至多少喊推
: 的,如果說版是用來討論的,那我翻這類的東西是不是也沒成功?
: 深度?有時候只是給志同道合的人的凝聚理由而已,且這個版並不是沒給資深
: 版友生存的空間,只是現在人比較多了,以前年代的強者又因工作或者走入家
: 庭等因素較少發文了,你所謂的深度文「看起來」比例上是少了那麼點而已。
: 但你其實仍然可以自己爭取 po 文,提升深度文的可見度,基本上你想表達的
: 我明白,只是,我真的覺得你挑了篇不是那麼符合你所說的現象的文章開炮而
: 已,這可惜了點。
其實也不用像推文中有人說用私信閒聊,就在這裡討論就好。因為我覺得這是這個板
的事,多一點人看多一點參與討論,會讓很多東西更加清楚,這樣溝通才有意義。
我並不覺得這篇不符合現象而開砲,我沒有否定原PO花時間,但問題是意義在哪?因
為你能做的整理實在太多,像這樣的整理,加上sawkuanwoo板友的文章,接下來每天
最少大概就有五篇,事實上,還有很多這個類型的可以整理,隨便兩個列子,可以整
理pregame的preview,每隊投手成績,該注意的打者,或是可以整理一篇每日戰績表,
逐日分析。
我同意板上有一群板友就像KOBEJIASAI來這裡就只是想輕鬆的看些東西,所以有人整
理這東西很方便,但同時也會有一群人來這裡就是想看的乾淨的板,可以看到有意的
討論和新資訊。
我私底下跟朋友聊天也是有提過也許該開mlb影音板,MLB討論板和MLB閒聊板之類的,
因為不同的人來這個板期待的東西都不一樣。但現實的狀況下,只能想辦法顧及不
同需求的人所要看的東西。
事實上,我花了很多時間在思考,到底MLB板要像推文中有人提的精英化就必需走回去
小眾板,還是一旦變大眾板就必需做到所謂普羅大眾的去精英化,但過去幾年我並不
覺得這是一個必然的結果。事實上MLB板在過去年很多人所謂專業球迷所使用的專業數據
,已經變成大多數來MLB板友共同價值,甚至一些進階數據都變成基本常識。說實在的,
我在美國這幾年,我認識的老美,連obp/ops都不知道大有人在,更不用講一些進階數據
。換句話講,MLB板的板友在這些討論的過程都得到了很多東西。
那也許我們就顧及所有人要看的東西是不是解決方案呢?
可惜不是,因為要有分析的文章,他的產量並不大,而且要有產出並不容意。換句話講,
如果以現在的狀況,類似今日系列的文章的產量,這些分析的章會被洗的乾乾淨淨。
要組成一個英文的分析文章的網章,並沒有很困難,
要組成一個普羅大眾的中文網站,也很容易。
但是要像MLB板這種討論一些分析文章的中文社群,並不容易,一旦消失,那要在找回來
基本上就是不可能了。
以現在狀況,我是認為已經到了一個零界點。
最近翻譯文章翻的最好的,不用講,就是Fitzwilliam大的球探報告怎麼寫。但再之前
我實在找了很久找不到類似的,而一些討論比較有意思的就是討論KING那篇,很激烈然後
一堆人因為不夠和諧然後被送進DL,此外就沒了。
所以你可以有無限多的整理可以做,可以PO文,但事實上一旦淪為日記式的文章,那只是
洗板而己,而推文充滿反串或老梗,不旦沒有達到真正討論的目的,而且還會造成惡性循
環,至於說發文發出興趣而發好文,我只能說我不太相信就是了。
--
My LA Angels and Biomedical Engineering Blog
http://tunababy.wordpress.com
--
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