乳摸:頂薪約不是AD明年FA考量的因素 - NBA

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By Damian
at 2018-12-22T15:57

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來源: Bleacher Report
網址: https://tinyurl.com/yc82snk4

Anthony Davis Rumors: Supermax Contract Won't Factor into Free-Agency Decision
Anthony Davis乳摸:頂薪約不會是明年FA的考量因素

The major advantage the New Orleans Pelicans have always held over other NBA
teams lusting after Anthony Davis is the ability to offer him a supermax
contract extension this upcoming summer.
鵜鶘在比NBA其他各隊追逐Anthony Davis的優勢是他們可以在明年夏天提供給他一份頂薪
合約。

But according to Sam Amick of The Athletic, Davis "does not see the extra
$87.3 million that New Orleans is expected to offer in a five-year, $239.5
million supermax extension this summer as a factor in his eventual decision."
但是根據記者Sam Amick報導,Davis"不會將鵜鶘那份五年2億3950萬鎂合約裡面那比其他
隊多出的8730萬鎂視作明年最終決定的因素。"

The general timeline for Davis has always seemed likely to be as follows: He
would remain on the Pelicans until this summer, when the team would offer him
every last penny available to them. If Davis signed the extension, his future
would be in New Orleans.
AD的時程表大概會是這樣:他會一直待到明年夏天,到那時候鵜鶘就會把手上可以掏出的
銀兩都拿出來簽他。所以,若是Davis簽了,他之後就是鵜鶘人了。

If he didn't sign, however, the Pelicans would likely trade him rather than
risk losing him for nothing in the summer of 2020. That would also allow
Davis to potentially sign a supermax deal with his new team. Teams believing
Davis would be willing to sign a long-term extension to stay with them would
offer bigger packages to the Pelicans than teams where Davis staying would be
unlikely.
但是若是他不簽,與其在2020年的時候甚麼都拿不到,鵜鶘就會把他拿去跟其他隊伍交
易,而那樣他就可以跟新的隊伍簽頂薪約。聯盟裡的隊伍認為自己可以把Davis留下來簽
長約的就會給鵜鶘一份大大的交易包,其他隊伍留不下Davis的,包裹就會小的多。

In this scenario, the Boston Celtics—long rumored to covet Davis—would have
the most assets to move. If Davis were willing to be a Celtic for the long
haul, Boston would give up the farm to land him.
若是這樣的狀況,青賽--流言傳的很久,他們肖想他很久了--有著最多的交易籌碼。所以
若是Davis想要當個青賽人的話,青賽會清空他們的農場好拿下他。

If the Los Angeles Lakers are going to land Davis, however, their best shot
is to do so before the trade deadline this year. Why? The Celtics can't trade
for him with Kyrie Irving on the roster, since teams are allowed to only have
one player on a "Rose Rule" contract acquired via a trade. Irving is one such
player, and Davis is on the same contract.
但若是湖人想要得到Davis的話,他們最好的方式就是在今年的交易大限前拿下他。為什麼
呢? 因為每支球隊只能允許有一個球員是在"Rose rule"下交易來的,所以只要KI還在球員
名單裡,他們就不能交易到Davis,KI跟Davis是一樣的合約。

So while Irving remains in Boston on his current contract, which he can opt
out of this summer, the Celtics cannot trade for Davis. The Lakers have no
such restrictions, however, and could try to worm their way into a Davis
trade this season, as Amick noted:
所以只要KI還與青賽在目前合約狀況下,當然KI可以在夏天跳出合約,不然的話,青賽是
不能交易來Davis的。然而,湖人就沒有這樣的限制,所以根據Amick所說,湖人可以找到
方式在今年就交易來Davis:

"But with the Feb. 7 trade deadline nearing and LeBron sending clear signs
that he wants to partner with Davis, there is a strong sense that now is the
time for the Lakers to attempt to make this move.
「隨著2/7交易大限逐步接近,LBJ也清楚的展現出他想跟Davis打球的信號,普遍認為現在
就是湖人要開始採取行動了。」

"Here's why: While the Pelicans continue to say they won't trade him, a
strong offer might force an early conversation between Davis and team
officials about his eventual intentions. It's the absence of clarity on that
front, in essence, that is buoying New Orleans' hope that he might stay.
What's more, the Lakers have a competitive edge over Davis' other known
suitor, the Boston Celtics, that is getting smaller by the day."
「以下是理由: 雖然鵜鶘一直說他們不會交易他,有一份大交易包將會迫使Davis跟球團高
層提早對話,討論他的最終意向。目前看不出那結果會是如何,這也是目前鵜鶘認為Davis
會留下的希望。此外,湖人比青賽提供更好的交易包的能力,兩者的差距正在日漸縮
短。」

The Lakers can make the Pelicans a strong offer, with young players like
Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram, Kyle Kuzma and Josh Hart. But they can't match
what the Celtics would be able to offer from the standpoint of both young
talent—if Jayson Tatum is on the table, nobody can offer what Boston can,
but even if he's untouchable, it still has a player like Jaylen Brown to
feature in a deal—and future draft picks.
湖人可以給湖人的交易包裡,年輕球員包括Lonzo Ball,Brandon Ingram,Kyle Kuzma跟
Josh Hart。但是,這包比不上青賽可以給的,兩枚年輕新秀--若是Jayson Tatum放上交易
桌的話,沒有隊伍可以比他們給的好;即使他是不能交易的,他們也還有像是Jaylen
Brown這樣的年輕新秀放在交易包--更加上好幾個未來選秀籤。

That advantage in assets doesn't mean that Davis is inevitably Boston bound.
Perhaps the Pelicans add another superstar in a trade this season and entice
him to stay. Maybe Davis isn't willing to commit to a long-term extension
with the Celtics, altering what they're willing to give up for him, but he's
willing to do so for the Lakers, and they offer the Pelicans a more
attractive trade package.
有著這樣多的籌碼不代表Davis已經就是青賽的了,或許本季鵜鶘交易來一位超級球星,
讓Davis留下來;又或者Davis不想跟青賽簽長約,這樣會讓青賽考慮一下要放棄那些籌
碼;又或者Davis願意為湖人打球,然後湖人給了鵜鶘一份更誘惑的交易包。

But if Davis has already made it clear he'd sign in LA—and remember, he's
represented by Klutch Sports and James' business partner, Rich Paul, so the
Lakers will know if Davis wants to head West—the Lakers would be wise to
pursue Davis now. Wait until the summer, and the Pelicans could leverage any
Boston offers to squeeze every last possible asset out of the Lakers.
但是若Davis很清楚表示他想跟LA簽約--要知道,現在Davis的經紀約是LBJ生意夥伴Rich
Paul的公司Klutch Sports所處理,所以若是湖人知道Davis想留在西區,湖人夠聰明的話
就是要即刻行動。若是等到夏天,鵜鶘就可拿青賽的交易包來跟湖人喊價,把湖人的最後
一滴資產都要榨出來。

It seems unlikely Davis will go anywhere until the summer, of course. But for
the Lakers, a full-court press to land him this season makes complete sense.
目前看起來在好像Davis在夏天之前哪裡都不會去。但是,對湖人來說,全場壓迫的方式把
Davis趕緊拿下才是最合理的戰術。
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Gary avatar
By Gary
at 2018-12-23T07:48
大家別抓我 這麼難不太可能開啦><
Audriana avatar
By Audriana
at 2018-12-24T21:52
開4我直接自殺
Victoria avatar
By Victoria
at 2018-12-29T03:20
不自殺 想買樂透惹
Edith avatar
By Edith
at 2018-12-29T07:14
去勇士拿個特例中產
Gary avatar
By Gary
at 2018-12-29T08:41
覺得湖人應該沒辦法簽到...還是別想了吧
Damian avatar
By Damian
at 2018-12-31T07:35
感覺真的有在操作 消息都傾向鵜鶘留不住湖人超想要
Iris avatar
By Iris
at 2019-01-01T13:48
所以現在是湖人比較急? 還是青賽比較急?
Andrew avatar
By Andrew
at 2019-01-01T15:35
看來水鳥今天沒成績就掰了
Ursula avatar
By Ursula
at 2019-01-05T00:16
吵的愈大的反而簽不到...
Agatha avatar
By Agatha
at 2019-01-07T03:57
不可能去湖人 什麼年輕人都不想丟 還想拿AD?
Joe avatar
By Joe
at 2019-01-08T19:47
8730萬 不是關鍵因素 ok
Skylar Davis avatar
By Skylar Davis
at 2019-01-12T12:07
搶起來
Emily avatar
By Emily
at 2019-01-12T16:21
這經紀人就難講了
Kama avatar
By Kama
at 2019-01-17T06:44
年輕人不想丟就是要留著搶AD啊 能搶到AD除了LBJ都能
Leila avatar
By Leila
at 2019-01-18T06:55
AD如果想去湖人 湖人一定丟小將去換吧?
Ophelia avatar
By Ophelia
at 2019-01-21T07:49
水鳥不會拿那麼多錢去簽個人五年 然後打不進季後賽
Zanna avatar
By Zanna
at 2019-01-25T20:48
另外湖人真的弄來AD的話 勇士捏著LP都得用兩張頂薪
留住KD和K湯了 放哪一個給湖人都超難打...
Oscar avatar
By Oscar
at 2019-01-29T12:44
湖人搶不到啦!聯盟肯定又駁回交易
Susan avatar
By Susan
at 2019-01-30T16:55
一個人47M/yr幾乎卡死小市場球隊的薪資運作
John avatar
By John
at 2019-02-01T10:40
大概去勇士拿五百萬
Emma avatar
By Emma
at 2019-02-04T03:43
雖然說很幻想 但是LBJ+AD+KD or KT 這場面勇士
真的頂的嗎?
Sierra Rose avatar
By Sierra Rose
at 2019-02-05T06:20
湖人組成那陣容,勇士拿什麼頂...表弟不可能再拿五
百萬啊
Ina avatar
By Ina
at 2019-02-09T02:49
別隊只要挖來KD或KT,對勇士就是此消彼長啊,比單
純找AD或可愛來還有用
Charlotte avatar
By Charlotte
at 2019-02-11T03:18
賽隊本季拿不到AD的,最快要等本季結束KI重簽約
Elma avatar
By Elma
at 2019-02-15T10:48
鵜鶘其實沒必要現在就賣AD,尤其AD並沒有喊吹密
對鵜鶘最大效益是讓湖賽明年去競價
至於湖賽之外的其他隊...大概就國王有籌碼吧
但AD鐵定不會跟國王續約的 kerker
Adele avatar
By Adele
at 2019-02-16T06:46
湖人今年交易到AD,就沒薪資空間簽KD了 別想太多。
Eden avatar
By Eden
at 2019-02-17T06:44
交易到AD就不一定要KD了 拿剩下錢簽個全明星還是有
Anthony avatar
By Anthony
at 2019-02-20T18:22
有LBJ+AD 再有KD就真的太超過了 KT應該才是目標
Oscar avatar
By Oscar
at 2019-02-20T20:07
賽隊要怎麼匹配薪資啊? 拿GH來當主菜?
Joseph avatar
By Joseph
at 2019-02-22T05:35
LBJ+AD+PG+KL+KD 創世湖
Anonymous avatar
By Anonymous
at 2019-02-23T12:07
湖賽兩隊感覺湖人的包裹比較誘人
Elizabeth avatar
By Elizabeth
at 2019-02-27T02:21
一點都不懷疑魔術強森和安吉會拿出所有籌碼交換AD
,不過也不能一廂情願,AD已經邁入巔峰要拿榮譽了
,我相信下一張約就是要爭冠球隊,湖人能達到嗎?
Leila avatar
By Leila
at 2019-02-28T19:02
湖人如果只有LBJ KD和K湯不見得想來 但是如果湖人有
Skylar Davis avatar
By Skylar Davis
at 2019-03-04T03:58
LBJ+AD的話 情況就很微妙了XD 逼著勇士必須拿頂薪留
KD和K湯了...
Puput avatar
By Puput
at 2019-03-04T22:25
湖人有LBJ之後 馬上拉到西區季後賽等級 AD來絕對是
爭冠熱門
Doris avatar
By Doris
at 2019-03-06T08:00
湖人今年應該不會冒險衝AD,Ball,Ig,跟褲子馬得丟
二實在太傷~而且Ball確定水鳥一定會討的,丟的話~
明年簽不回軟豆就好笑了
Robert avatar
By Robert
at 2019-03-07T16:26
交易到AD就沒薪資空間簽32m級(30%)的明星。
Kristin avatar
By Kristin
at 2019-03-11T08:42
把球哥丟了控球怎麼辦?LBJ在騎士就一直抱怨都他控
Odelette avatar
By Odelette
at 2019-03-13T23:19
褲子馬應該不會丟 光是Ball+IG+Jhart就夠吸引人了
Damian avatar
By Damian
at 2019-03-16T09:08
交易到AD 沒必要再一個頂薪巨星來搶球阿 還剩24M
簽一個明星也很夠了 2巨配1星加上1-2個小將 很足
夠了
Connor avatar
By Connor
at 2019-03-20T00:23
當然是要錢要戒指 這種神獸怎可能只要頂薪
Frederica avatar
By Frederica
at 2019-03-23T02:42
拿IG+Ball打包交易到AD 餘錢可以夠簽32M的明星的
Madame avatar
By Madame
at 2019-03-24T15:56
舒適
Ingrid avatar
By Ingrid
at 2019-03-26T18:41
真的談交易,湖人應該不會丟kuz,ball難說,IG跟
Emily avatar
By Emily
at 2019-03-28T21:04
HART應該就搬上來了
Gilbert avatar
By Gilbert
at 2019-04-02T04:03
看到經紀人,就知道那家比較有希望了。
Frederica avatar
By Frederica
at 2019-04-03T12:56
湖人的小將也不少,能加速水鳥的重建。
Frederic avatar
By Frederic
at 2019-04-06T06:39
更正 應該是要先簽下明星再交易AD才能達到
Liam avatar
By Liam
at 2019-04-09T16:51
鵜鶘缺控衛,沒ball不可能答應的。
Wallis avatar
By Wallis
at 2019-04-10T04:22
湖人小將四個至少要丟三個以上才有機會吧
Regina avatar
By Regina
at 2019-04-13T15:17
LBJ是不是不抱腿就不會打球啊?
Harry avatar
By Harry
at 2019-04-14T01:34
先簽FA,明年再交易就行。 若是今年先交易就不能。
這是湖人完美算盤,但要全壘打太難了。
Franklin avatar
By Franklin
at 2019-04-16T02:39
今年水鳥依舊不上不下,AD人生演定了
Ina avatar
By Ina
at 2019-04-16T14:08
AD:我愛新愛爾良跟這裡的球迷
Audriana avatar
By Audriana
at 2019-04-21T10:19
先簽FA也要看你是簽多少錢的 30M以上的 你也沒有薪
資匹配去交易AD 因為小將都太便宜 其它都是底薪
所以先簽巨星再交易AD 幾乎不可能
Caroline avatar
By Caroline
at 2019-04-24T01:16
把軟豆給鵜鶘不就好了?軟豆更強吧
Harry avatar
By Harry
at 2019-04-24T23:58
勇士圓夢列車 上車囉
Franklin avatar
By Franklin
at 2019-04-25T09:36
鵜鶘一定IG Ball Kuz都想要的 青賽有什麼選秀權呢?
光雙J覺得吸引力比不上湖人
Carol avatar
By Carol
at 2019-04-27T16:03
湖人要全壘打除非AD打定主意非湖不去降價抱團
不然太難了
Olive avatar
By Olive
at 2019-05-02T14:11
AD不考慮循表弟路線去勇士一年嗎?
Andrew avatar
By Andrew
at 2019-05-03T22:16
小將沒辦法配平 還有可以先簽後換的球員
Harry avatar
By Harry
at 2019-05-04T05:08
KD走補AD
Quintina avatar
By Quintina
at 2019-05-05T07:48
IG+BALL+空間特例4.4+新人 湊到22m就能交易AD了吧
Una avatar
By Una
at 2019-05-06T08:00
新聞炒越大越不可能成真
Hazel avatar
By Hazel
at 2019-05-06T15:32
湖人丟ball控球難道全靠喇叭?除非有夠好的pg備案不
然不覺得會丟ball ,軟豆會不會繼續待湖人還不知道
Kristin avatar
By Kristin
at 2019-05-09T06:47
如果祖霸能維持今天吃餅的身手,拿去當配菜也不錯
Andy avatar
By Andy
at 2019-05-14T05:18
AD現在簽四年約似乎更有力,如果考慮下ㄧ份合約
Delia avatar
By Delia
at 2019-05-18T00:10
身為NBA前10大球星,但是季後賽可能是打最少的...
Caitlin avatar
By Caitlin
at 2019-05-20T00:30
其實湖人明年裸簽明星最有利
Tom avatar
By Tom
at 2019-05-23T14:28
湖人有爭冠能力軟豆一定降薪留,除非湖人不要吧..
Hedda avatar
By Hedda
at 2019-05-25T07:27
明年 KD KL KT簽一個 都沒就等AD
Anonymous avatar
By Anonymous
at 2019-05-29T08:40
軟豆那麼好用,願意降薪,魔術馬上衝去他家簽約
Charlie avatar
By Charlie
at 2019-05-31T20:46
水鳥還要再交易個明星就好笑
Oliver avatar
By Oliver
at 2019-06-04T20:49
湖人跟KI有什麼關係!?看不懂
Gilbert avatar
By Gilbert
at 2019-06-06T15:48
湖人可以給湖人的交易包?
Rebecca avatar
By Rebecca
at 2019-06-09T21:11
湖人若要出手 賽隊壓力會大 因為賽隊要等KI合約
Daph Bay avatar
By Daph Bay
at 2019-06-13T01:56
所以湖人若能提早動手 賽隊沒辦法跟湖人競爭
但若拖到賽隊把KI合約搞定後,湖人就必須跟賽隊競價
Zanna avatar
By Zanna
at 2019-06-14T02:13
應該是指如果湖人今年簽 青賽就沒辦法跟糊人搶吧
Blanche avatar
By Blanche
at 2019-06-16T21:03
沒球可以簽書豪啊 他很便宜
Kumar avatar
By Kumar
at 2019-06-19T02:03
剛剛備案PG也是想到書豪 反正喇叭也能控
James avatar
By James
at 2019-06-20T06:50
他只需要有人有分擔能力就好
Eartha avatar
By Eartha
at 2019-06-20T16:12
去年也都說雷霆留不住跑喬
Adele avatar
By Adele
at 2019-06-25T09:18
交易包,不能簡單翻個籌碼嗎?
Yuri avatar
By Yuri
at 2019-06-29T01:29
Kuz跟姆斯超搭 不可能丟 要交易AD只能丟 球+IG+其他
Heather avatar
By Heather
at 2019-07-03T15:48
鵜鶘根本不急啊 夏天再讓湖人跟青賽競價就好
提早賣一點好處都沒
Yuri avatar
By Yuri
at 2019-07-05T10:48
湖人整隊除了姆斯丟誰去換AD都賺啦 賺多賺少
湖人小將那幾個天花板連要勾到明星賽都有難度
Kyle avatar
By Kyle
at 2019-07-09T04:14
以為自己手上的是Doncic嗎 四少全部包去換AD都賺
Ethan avatar
By Ethan
at 2019-07-12T15:07
水鳥不需要超級球星,只需要總教練
Zenobia avatar
By Zenobia
at 2019-07-12T22:10
酸酸還在姆斯沒球星隊友不會打球勒笑死,第一天看球
嗎?只準勇士五星補強爽躺冠軍好棒棒
Charlotte avatar
By Charlotte
at 2019-07-14T08:25
AD還蠻適合我勇的啊 快來吧不要拖台錢
Elizabeth avatar
By Elizabeth
at 2019-07-17T17:49
想問,沒有達成Rose rule就沒有這樣的限制嗎?
Susan avatar
By Susan
at 2019-07-18T19:44
印象中AD因為受傷所以沒有達成Rose rule?
Megan avatar
By Megan
at 2019-07-22T07:16
不用說了 去勇士吧
Olivia avatar
By Olivia
at 2019-07-23T01:06
AD有說過想要一直留在鵜鶘
Victoria avatar
By Victoria
at 2019-07-23T17:21
圓夢列車要改為圓夢宇宙戰艦嘍
Doris avatar
By Doris
at 2019-07-25T11:15
找富保羅可能就是這個用意 用交易的AD才有保有鳥拿
最大約
Ingrid avatar
By Ingrid
at 2019-07-28T04:01
今年不會有交易啦 一定是等到暑假給兩隊標價再說
Lucy avatar
By Lucy
at 2019-07-29T13:29
如果AD真的沒想再留水鳥 換出去能換不少也難怪水鳥
一直被意淫卻不吭聲
Agatha avatar
By Agatha
at 2019-08-02T04:57
明年換AD舒服了
舒適
Enid avatar
By Enid
at 2019-08-06T18:43
圓夢列車歡迎你
Delia avatar
By Delia
at 2019-08-07T06:35
還停留在開季嗎?Tatum先不談 杰倫現在價值沒那麼
高吧
Mason avatar
By Mason
at 2019-08-11T14:49
加上今年賽沒辦法交易 今年四隻籤目前順位12 13 20
23 選好選滿後也沒籤的優勢了
Kelly avatar
By Kelly
at 2019-08-12T17:28
這賽局開始了
James avatar
By James
at 2019-08-16T11:00
LBJ+KD+AD? 那簽下來的時候就可以頒冠軍了
Zanna avatar
By Zanna
at 2019-08-17T02:30
2~30億台幣不放眼裡 好猛
Audriana avatar
By Audriana
at 2019-08-18T16:35
大城市跟奪冠商業價值就超過那些東西了
Noah avatar
By Noah
at 2019-08-22T19:18
青賽今年額外的籤蠻有可能都兌現了 優勢被ki磨掉了
Genevieve avatar
By Genevieve
at 2019-08-26T16:35
但明年他們肯出Tatum 還是贏湖人 在東區有優勢
Bethany avatar
By Bethany
at 2019-08-28T05:27
不會翻不要丟給機翻好嗎
Liam avatar
By Liam
at 2019-08-31T13:27
起風惹
Mia avatar
By Mia
at 2019-09-01T17:20
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A.Davis再次強調:我愛新奧爾良和這裡的

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By Freda
at 2018-12-22T15:56
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By Heather
at 2018-12-22T15:25
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By Elma
at 2018-12-22T15:17
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By Emily
at 2018-12-22T15:15
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By Blanche
at 2018-12-22T15:06
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