Posada短劇:不想先發 - 美國職棒

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By Enid
at 2011-05-16T15:54

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應邀請來幫忙一下...
其實我個人不太贊成在這裡「練英文」就是了, MLB 板也算是個大板
要用翻譯新聞練當然可以, 但在大板直接丟出來就太不負責任
在有人想到要幫你訂正之前, 有多少人可能因為你的錯誤接受到有問題的資訊?
而且有能力幫忙的板友又憑什麼要幫你檢查呢?

看新聞學英文閱讀是正確的方式, 這沒有問題
但這裡真的不是驗證你自己是否正確吸收的途徑
只是濫用這裡的人對你的信任和善意而已
讓與你熟識的人幫忙會是最好的方法
如果真的不行, 至少貢獻一些小板的討論會比較有意義
而且在討論眾比較侷限的狀況下, 有人願意幫你的可能性也會更高

另外如果你希望有人回文改正, 那麼文章排版要特別注意在右邊留點 padding
不然一回文之後整個排版都會亂掉, 也會降低別人回應的意願
這真的很多人都沒想清楚, 拜託不要把一行塞滿到這麼右邊好嗎


※ 引述《poplc ()》之銘言:
: Jorge Posada removes self from lineup
: By Andrew Marchand
: NEW YORK -- After being dropped to the No. 9 spot in the lineup, the
: struggling Jorge Posada went into manager Joe Girardi's office and asked out
: of Saturday's lineup.
: "The conversation was really short," Girardi said. "He came into my office
: and said he needed a day, he couldn't DH today. That was basically the
: extent of the conversation."
: 在被放到第九棒的打序後,這位鳥掉的Jorge Posada跑去教練Joe Girardi的辦公室,
: 而且要求他週六不想先發。Girardi表示:『對話非常簡短,他來我辦公室,說他需要
: 休息一天,今天不能當DH,這是對話的基本內容。』

這段沒問題


: After the game, Posada said that he was dealing with back stiffness and told
: Girardi that he needed a day to "clear his head."
: "I told him I couldn't play today and that I needed time to, first to clear
: my head," Posada said after the Yankees' 6-0 loss to the Red Sox. "That was
: it. My back stiffened up a little bit. I was taking a lot of ground balls at
: first base and worked out and I wasn't 100 percent."
: 比賽過後,Posada 說他得處理背部僵硬的問題,然後告訴Girardi他需要一天“整理
: 他的腦袋”。在6比0,洋基輸給紅襪的賽後,Posada表示:『我告訴他今天不能上場,
: 我第一次需要時間整理我的腦袋,就是老傷,我背部有點僵硬,我接了很多一壘滾地
: 球,然後做些重訓,然後我覺得我不是100分。』

Posada 的意思是, 清理想法是他的首要原因
接著次要的原因則是他的背部有點緊繃
他並不是說他第一次有這種需求


: However, Girardi said Posada never mentioned the back injury to him.
: With speculation swirling, Cashman met with reporters in a workroom behind
: the press box during the third inning to give an update. The GM said Posada
: was not injured.
: That irritated Posada.
: "I don't know why he made a statement during the game. I don't understand
: that. That's the way he works now, I guess," Posada said. "I think we should
: have waited for the game to be over to talk to whoever. ... You don't do
: that. You're not supposed to do that."
: 然而,Girardi說Posada從沒向他提過背傷的問題。因為各自表述,在3局時Cashman約
: 了記者在記者席後面的工作室見面,給了最新打臉消息,這位總管說Posada不是受傷。
: 這激怒了Posada。
: Posada 表示:『我不知道他為何在比賽中搞出這說法,我不懂,難道現在這樣就是他
: 做事的方法,我想好歹得等到比賽結束再說吧....你搞三小,你真的不該搞出一堆三
: 小的.....。』

他說的是(前半段沒問題, 省略)
「我覺得至少應該等比賽結束再說或是怎樣之類的 ... 一般不會這樣做的啊, 通常不該
這樣做的啊」

You 在這裡是虛設主詞, 是用來代表一般而言的狀況
在中文裡, 這類句型的主詞通常會省略(看上面我的翻譯)
而當中文用「你」當主詞時, 是用來表達很針對的發言
而這裡的英文句型中 Posada 其實並不是針對誰, 只是表達一個一般狀況
這樣翻譯文法是沒錯, 但很明顯語意不對

標準臺灣英文課教出來的翻譯, 只懂文法不懂隱涵語意...
(不是批評, 這是臺灣英語教學的問題)


: When asked explicitly if he was mad at Cashman, Posada hedged, but said he
: wished the general manager had at least waited until after the game to
: discuss the matter.
: "Well, we'll see. I think we should have waited for the game to be over to
: talk to whoever's doing the game. It's kind of like, you're not supposed to
: do that," Posada said.
: 我們又更清楚的問他是否不爽Cashman,Posada還是做了提防,也說他希望總管好歹等
: 到比賽結束過後再討論這問題吧。
: Posada表示:『很好~我們等著瞧,我想我們該等到比賽結束才能去跟其他人聊誰在比
: 賽幹麻幹麻之類,這有點像......,算了,你實在不該搞我的。』

最後一句整個錯了, 很明顯原 po 沒看什麼美國影集XD
It's kind of like 後面接完整句子代表的意思就只有後面那個句子的意思
這來自於一個青少年 subculture 形成的 dialet, 不過我忘了叫什麼
現在已經滿通用的就是了, 感謝飛越比佛利...

總之 Posada 最後一句的意思就只是單純「這種事不應該發生」這樣而已
他沒有針對「你」, 也沒有說「不應該搞我」這種意思


: Cashman, however, said Posada was aware he was going to address the media
: and even told the catcher and of one his agents, Seth Levinson, exactly
: what he was going to say.
: "The situation that was created by him, then he would have to explain
: himself after," Cashman told ESPNNewYork.com via telephone. "It was as
: simple as that. It is common baseball practice to explain after someone
: is a late scratch in the lineup, they give a reason why."
: 然而,Cashman提到Posada知道他會去向媒體說話,甚至也跑去向他經紀人Seth
: Levinson說過,他之後會對記者說些什麼。
: Cashman透過電話告訴ESPNNewYork.com:這場面是他搞出來的,然後他稍後必須解釋
: 他自己的行為,而且這很簡單,這像是一般的棒球賽前練習,某人遲到,所以他被踢
: 出先發名單,他們總也會掰個理由出來的。

重翻比較快

「對於他造成的局面,他必須自己解釋自己的行為。這是棒球界的標準作法,如果某人
在最後時刻被剔除於先發名單,他們會自己負責解釋。」

Practice
n. 實踐, 練習, 實行, 慣例, 習慣, 開業
vt. vi. 實踐, 實行, 練習, 實習, 開業

我實在不知道原本的翻譯是怎麼來的, 所以就這樣吧...


: Cashman also said he discussed the situation with Posada and Levinson for
: an hour and attempted to convince Posada to play.
: "In one instance I was on the phone with Seth and I actually had to hand the
: phone to Jorgie. I said, 'Here,'" Cashman said. "Jorgie knew exactly what
: was being said. This is not a surprise. I'm disappointed about what he
: said."

: Cashman也說,他已經和Posada以及Levinson聊了一個小時了,試圖去說服Posada上
: 場。
: Cashman表示:『舉個例,我還打給他經紀人Seth,而且實際上我還把電話交給Jorgie
: 叫他聽,我說,拿去,Jorgie確實已經知道我要說什麼了,我很失望他居然還說我搞
: 他。』

In one instance 是「在某個時刻」的意思
舉個例是「for an instance」........

「我在與 Seth 通電話的途中甚至還有一刻就把話筒拿給 Jorgie 了。我還說,『你聽
吧,』這樣,所以 Jorgie 根本就知道我說了什麼,不應該驚訝才對。我很失望他這
樣說。」


: The Yankees believe that they have grounds to suspend Posada right away,
: but will wait for more conversations about the situation to occur, a source
: told ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney.
: The Yankees have not ruled out docking Posada's pay, especially if refuses
: to play on Sunday. The team was in contact with the commissioner's office
: as it considered its options Saturday night. But there was hope that a
: cooling-off period could settle the situation.
: 洋基相信他們理由充分的可以立即處罰Posada,但還是對於那情況的發生要做更多的
: 討論,這消息是來自ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney。

這邊算是有表達出意思...就算過關吧


: 洋基不排除扣些Posada的薪水,如果週日他又拒絕上場的話。球隊聯絡會長辦公室,
: 看會長周日晚上要做什麼決定。但基本上還是希望一切都能合諧。

週日、週六、傻傻搞不清楚

這邊 consider option 的應該是 NYY, 不是會長辦公室
其他還 OK




後面還沒看, 太長了, 前面這樣後面不太想知道我還要寫多少...
上面兩段應該可以看出來我已經有點懶得繼續了, 過幾個小時再看看吧 -_-


對了, 或許也可以去 NYY 板上參考一下其他新聞
有助於了解哪些地方似乎有點矛盾, 可能就是你理解不太正確的地方


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All Comments

Rebecca avatar
By Rebecca
at 2011-05-18T01:21
專業推!!
Yuri avatar
By Yuri
at 2011-05-21T04:49
推u大!!!
Charlotte avatar
By Charlotte
at 2011-05-22T04:56
中文的你還是可以泛指一般狀況啊
Edith avatar
By Edith
at 2011-05-27T03:45
推..至少意思要翻對..
Puput avatar
By Puput
at 2011-05-28T10:37
推。
Kristin avatar
By Kristin
at 2011-06-02T10:03
不要改變原文意義應該是最重要的
Hazel avatar
By Hazel
at 2011-06-03T12:31
推!!!
Megan avatar
By Megan
at 2011-06-08T04:52
推你的時間:)
Charlotte avatar
By Charlotte
at 2011-06-11T02:22
呵呵呵,可是大部分的人都覺得「肯翻就不錯了」,你說人家
Dora avatar
By Dora
at 2011-06-14T11:42
不好,自己來翻啊!」 所以ptt是練英文的好地方啊!
Cara avatar
By Cara
at 2011-06-16T04:34
真的 有大絕不然你來翻還不是練英文的地方嘛XD
Mason avatar
By Mason
at 2011-06-18T01:20
推大好人
Donna avatar
By Donna
at 2011-06-22T11:21
前幾年有個網站「不然你來翻阿」還有在運作嗎?
Anthony avatar
By Anthony
at 2011-06-25T15:27
不然下次翻譯外電 簽名檔請附上多益成績(誤
Tracy avatar
By Tracy
at 2011-06-29T08:31
推推
Gilbert avatar
By Gilbert
at 2011-06-29T16:35
專業...
Susan avatar
By Susan
at 2011-07-02T07:52
我記得之前有板友開過一間共同翻譯外電網站 還活者嗎
Connor avatar
By Connor
at 2011-07-05T01:29
附上托福可以嗎XD
Ethan avatar
By Ethan
at 2011-07-06T02:01
再補
Leila avatar
By Leila
at 2011-07-08T06:37
dialect* just a small typo :)
Noah avatar
By Noah
at 2011-07-12T14:04
以後要翻譯需附上托福成績~以供版有參考真實性
Una avatar
By Una
at 2011-07-15T04:08
托福、多益、雅思、全民英檢、GMAT(?)擇一
Queena avatar
By Queena
at 2011-07-18T06:02
托福100分以上、多益900以上、全民英檢高級......之類的
Elizabeth avatar
By Elizabeth
at 2011-07-22T08:40
在某板PO這個會被念"連這裡都在戰英文?有沒有搞錯啊"
Leila avatar
By Leila
at 2011-07-23T09:51
國中學測英文成績單可以媽
Elma avatar
By Elma
at 2011-07-26T17:14
國中不是學測~是基測吧?
Steve avatar
By Steve
at 2011-07-31T12:35
Edith avatar
By Edith
at 2011-08-04T12:08
我國中基測英文滿級呢 科科
Candice avatar
By Candice
at 2011-08-04T21:49
樓上這也可以說嘴ZZ哀 我也滿級喔
Harry avatar
By Harry
at 2011-08-04T22:51
鄉民果真臥虎藏龍 樓上兩樓都滿分
Hazel avatar
By Hazel
at 2011-08-07T19:44
數學也可以請教我 因為我基測數學也滿級呢^______^
Andy avatar
By Andy
at 2011-08-12T05:26
不然你來翻啊常常被主機商停權 所以就收起來了
Genevieve avatar
By Genevieve
at 2011-08-13T07:20
我本來想說可以release source code出來 但是好像上次
Charlotte avatar
By Charlotte
at 2011-08-17T12:45
重灌的時候把原始碼也砍掉了 沒有備份 XD
Mary avatar
By Mary
at 2011-08-18T06:27
英數滿級分有甚麼了不起?每天講的國文有人滿級分嗎?
Genevieve avatar
By Genevieve
at 2011-08-22T20:05
基測哪有滿"級"...這種說法?????= =
Victoria avatar
By Victoria
at 2011-08-25T03:05
下面開放國文滿級分報到
Faithe avatar
By Faithe
at 2011-08-26T06:29
有人免費改英文 鼓勵poplc繼續翻
Elma avatar
By Elma
at 2011-08-30T00:27
推一個
David avatar
By David
at 2011-08-31T19:29
最討厭自己不翻譯又喜歡批評的人.
Necoo avatar
By Necoo
at 2011-09-04T11:01
棒球文章翻譯真的會有人把它當成教科書嗎?
Jacob avatar
By Jacob
at 2011-09-07T00:16
推訂正
Hazel avatar
By Hazel
at 2011-09-10T05:29
!!
Kumar avatar
By Kumar
at 2011-09-10T17:49
這是一個很奇怪的現象,看得出來p板友翻得不太好的人,都
是不需要看翻譯文的人,請他提升翻譯品質卻被反擊,其實
p板友翻得再不好,對這群人也沒差阿,反而是有可能接收
Yedda avatar
By Yedda
at 2011-09-13T05:06
到錯誤訊息的版眾群起相挺XD
Joseph avatar
By Joseph
at 2011-09-15T23:08
另外,一些亂翻外電的台灣記者會被幹譙,但其實也跟p板友
Susan avatar
By Susan
at 2011-09-19T13:00
uranusjr 沒說錯阿! 總不能只顧翻譯不顧品質
Todd Johnson avatar
By Todd Johnson
at 2011-09-20T00:21
是做一樣的事情,可是回應卻是兩樣情XD
Puput avatar
By Puput
at 2011-09-21T13:18
我可以了解 因為畢竟poplc大做的事只是興趣
但是有時候翻譯時稍微想一下文意 應該可以避免一些錯誤
Hamiltion avatar
By Hamiltion
at 2011-09-22T06:47
原po與樓上 GJ
指Marc XD
Emma avatar
By Emma
at 2011-09-26T03:12
而且一篇文章po了之後一直在改正,感覺也不好吧
Frederic avatar
By Frederic
at 2011-09-26T16:56
翻的不太好耶
Aaliyah avatar
By Aaliyah
at 2011-09-30T23:50
v大 等你指正囉:)
Hedda avatar
By Hedda
at 2011-10-04T17:51
MarcLin看到事情的核心了:)
Daph Bay avatar
By Daph Bay
at 2011-10-07T18:26
MarcLin中肯
Donna avatar
By Donna
at 2011-10-07T20:57
m大中肯
Isabella avatar
By Isabella
at 2011-10-10T14:15
我覺得u大出發點是沒錯,可是口氣稍嫌衝了點,與其陷入
Harry avatar
By Harry
at 2011-10-14T19:46
口水戰還不如讓p大翻譯的文章能有實質上的改善!
Iris avatar
By Iris
at 2011-10-18T12:31
記者get paid, offer shit
Rae avatar
By Rae
at 2011-10-21T22:40
會戰還不是口氣問題
Kristin avatar
By Kristin
at 2011-10-25T03:57
所以是要戰口氣嗎?能被指正其實是賺到,別人大可讓你在其他地
方鬧笑話的
Iris avatar
By Iris
at 2011-10-27T17:16
理直氣壯
Jacky avatar
By Jacky
at 2011-10-30T15:35
沒拿錢幫你改作業還要被罵口氣不好 這只有網路上才會發生
Linda avatar
By Linda
at 2011-11-02T02:02
推這文,沒有一定程度又翻譯的這麼口語化真的讓人覺得很怪
Rachel avatar
By Rachel
at 2011-11-04T19:06
多少人有看到第一句話 原PO請他來幫忙的!!
Olga avatar
By Olga
at 2011-11-06T23:13
又來了 最後一定又被說口氣不好

Pete Rose questions lack of 2nd chance

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at 2011-05-16T15:08
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