Okogie拿下職業生涯最高分,補強完成? - 鳳凰城太陽 Phoenix Suns

By George
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想把文章的credit回饋給作者小鐵大大,小弟完全建議先看完這篇文章再討論
https://www.sportsv.net/articles/99778
以下小引用:
太陽不是不好,此戰之前OffRtg聯盟第二、DefRtg聯盟第六,NetRtg聯盟第二,在Pace
Factor排聯盟倒數的情況下,打造出攻守都有一定水準的團隊數據,如前述,建立在CP3
和Johnson開季至今大半時間缺陣的情況下,這絕對是值得肯定的表現。
再次必須稱讚,不論是CP3、Devin Booker、Deandre Ayton這組三人核心、加上頭號綠葉
Mikal Bridges的努力,以及總教練Monty Williams的基本架構,讓太陽建立了非常高的
地板,太陽團隊體系運轉能力在聯盟絕對名列前茅,
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太陽現在即使被球迷各種嫌,從數據看起來就是一支地板很好的團隊球隊。
※ 引述《blackisland (黑色島嶼)》之銘言:
: → Aggro : 有時候想想或許是前兩年衝太高才讓我們一直有種錯覺 12/09 15:25
: → Aggro : 實際上我們就只是剛拉昇到季後賽球隊而已 12/09 15:26
: → Aggro : 核心主力還不太是主流meta那種 12/09 15:27
: 推 Aggro : 切入突破力普通的跳投手 不能守主流鋒線的3D 還有頂 12/09 15:31
: → Aggro : 薪吃餅不太能造犯規的中鋒 12/09 15:32
這其實就是大型側翼來一個,或持球側翼來一個,或至少第三持球點來一個
再加上正常戰術設計與要求可以達成的事情
小鐵的文章裡面有點到有些球隊有這樣的名字,剛好他們都在這季造成太陽很大的麻煩
D.Booker不算是一個切入突破力普通的跳投手,現在他最大的問題是沒有幫手一個人要
扛太多。
Bridges的問題不是他的問題,是球隊建隊幾年來都讓矮子扛四號位把軟肋露出來給人家
捅了又捅,捅了又捅。
Ayton比較算非主流Meta沒有錯,他比較像是傳統長人但他的問題是前面兩年的養成進步
甚微而且方向詭異,讓人懷疑他在戰術裡面究竟要他打什麼?最近幾場他開始奮起以後
他個人的球賽內容就好看多了。
這支球隊最大的問題在於
1.第三持球點
2.大型側翼
3.以現有陣容看來,Ayton的進步幅度會決定天花板而且是唯一能決定天花板的人
不是核心不符合meta,是配合核心的矮子們讓我們打不出符合meta的球風
: → Aggro : 能持球整場的三或四就是全明星以上了 沒這麼簡單的 12/09 16:34
的確是,但問題是沒有一定要找這樣的全明星才能補起我們的問題阿
找到一個有持球的大型側翼球隊會脫胎換骨沒有錯,絕對沒問題
但是一個會持球的人或一個大型側翼,球隊還是能改變很多
: → Aggro : 後來想想我們這套還是等拆掉好了 太難修補 12/09 17:49
你的問題是你總把修補的標準想像得太高了.....
找一個大型側翼或找一個持球者的難度遠遠低於找一個全明星
當然這不見得會是一個總冠軍級的補強
可是這絕對是對球隊體質非常大的升級
: → Aggro : 大家一直在說的持球大型側翼基本上就是全明星核心級 12/09 17:49
真的沒有一定要那麼頂的
: → Aggro : 你找庫子這種來可能也無法完全解決我們根本上的問題 12/09 17:50
根本上的問題到底是......?你說的非meta核心問題嗎?
一個能快攻能控球的全方位攻堅手,全聯盟第一SG
一個連切入都練出來的小型3D側翼,全聯盟最佳防守球員第二名
這兩個絕對不可能非meta,丟到任何一隊去人家都搶著要
不要低估了自己家球員的價值
至於Ayton我就不多說了,我覺得是核心,你不覺得是核心,只能以未來結果論
: → Aggro : 找太高級的還會有預算問題 根本問題就是我們工兵太 12/09 17:50
: → Aggro : 多 而且非meta核心問題 那不如等換老闆拆掉實在 12/09 17:51
: → Aggro : 不然三個高薪 一個高級工兵 然後要靠剩下一個位置補 12/09 17:51
: → Aggro : 所有問題想想真的想太多了 12/09 17:52
最大的問題在於球隊兩年前爭總冠軍的時候還在吃新秀紅利就該補了,現在新秀都換約了
應該問最佳總管都在幹嘛吧
但是換個角度想,一個全聯盟最穩定之一的團隊
不就是在等一個能攻堅的人來融入,就差這臨門一腳嗎?
我覺得我們討論真的應該先以這支球隊是地板非常高的團隊作為共識來展開,不然都是在
鬼打牆
太陽的薪資包有Saric+Shamet+JC,就戰力來說是不漂亮,要換一個大型側翼換一個持球
第六人之類的也不是完全做不到的
我想問題在第一,阿仁有沒有那個手腕去換?第二,換完以後要磨合新球員,要磨合老鬼
跟之後傷癒歸隊的Cam,這一堆磨合都是需要花時間的。而太陽在磨合的期間正好各隊都
已經打完球季的前1/4,要開始邁入穩定期了。也就是說,應該是要花戰績去磨合了。
: → Aggro : 換成這角度想的話 那今年就可以佛心看球了 反正就是 12/09 17:52
: → Aggro : 等換新老闆 拆新陣容 這套就不要想太多了 12/09 17:52
: → Aggro : 反正這幾年季後賽和戰績有意思意思到 短時間重來也 12/09 17:53
: → Aggro : 不是不能接受 從這角度出發的話 那總管保守點也不是 12/09 17:53
: → Aggro : 壞事 不然現在隨便弄上限也拉不上去 那不如等新老闆 12/09 17:54
: → Aggro : 上來 有藉口直接清一波調整比較實在 大概就留書橋重 12/09 17:54
: → Aggro : 開就夠了 12/09 17:54
所以這一大套結論我完全是無法理解的......
我清楚你向來是太陽不要爵士化,成為季後賽球隊後不上不下不如重建論調的擁護者,然
而太陽離那個窘境大概也還有一段距離,怎麼就直接選擇放棄了呢?
不是「總管保守點也不是壞事」,總管已經保守到幾無建樹兩年了,眼看著就要邁向第三
年,結束老鬼最後的青春,也浪費核心書人的黃金期又一年,球隊的上限在有著薪資包的
前提下沒有那麼難往上拉。
: → Aggro : 我後來想想 四個高薪解決不了的東西 要靠剩下一個位 12/09 18:54
: → Aggro : 置補完根本太天真 說到底就我們核心出問題 抽換核心 12/09 18:54
: → Aggro : 比較實在 12/09 18:54
我們核心沒有大問題。
: → Aggro : 把一五主軸打掉留書橋 他們能力走鋒線陣也能用 12/09 18:55
: → Aggro : 明年踢掉老鬼 然後把Ayton打包拿去換個持球核 兩邊 12/09 18:56
: → Aggro : 這樣都是好事 賣掉換得 梭個全明星籌碼也夠了 接下 12/09 18:57
: → Aggro : 來運氣好一點老闆換個名聲好的 那吸引力就高了 反正 12/09 18:57
: → Aggro : 阿仁和Monty黑人兄弟吸引力也還夠 明年先吸進來重整 12/09 18:58
: → Aggro : 後年再看情況踢掉 這樣三年後前途應該會一片光明 到 12/09 18:58
: → Aggro : 時候萬一連書橋都不行反正約也快到也不難賣 完美 12/09 18:59
: → Aggro : 那阿仁現在還是不要亂交易好了 以免擋未來三年大計 12/09 18:59
: 推 josephhou : 哈哈哈哈哈 12/09 19:03
也難怪J板要哈哈哈,這個三年大計大概就是敢賣CP3的Ryan McDonough
把球隊裡面對年輕球員最具吸引力的老鬼清掉,再期待清掉老鬼的總管對球員的吸引力
順便球隊大洗牌期待這樣能洗出團隊文化跟願意老死鳳凰城的書橋...
hello...你知道這套論調的盲點在哪裡了嗎?
: → Aggro : 阿仁還可以賣黑人面子 換新老闆的時候先用這招看能 12/09 20:02
: → Aggro : 不能拐點人進來 反正正常的老闆會踢掉阿仁 12/09 20:03
: → Aggro : 他也待不了多久 12/09 20:03
阿仁又有黑人面子又會被正常的老闆踢掉,那被拐進來的球員能待多久?
: → Aggro : 要重整就不用褲子拉 那是次要目標 12/09 20:05
: → Aggro : 老實講我也不覺得現在補了褲子能突破到哪 不如狠下 12/09 20:05
: → Aggro : 心大破大立 現在硬要砸下去拚個不上不下不小心還會 12/09 20:06
: → Aggro : 卡到後面接手的咧 12/09 20:06
這不是在打2k欸...
: → Aggro : 三個持球能力都上不了頂級戰場的還是要先處裡 12/09 20:08
: → Aggro : 核心確立再來談其他 12/09 20:08
Booker持球沒有那麼爛,頂級3D沒有人在強調他一定要很能持球的欸
問題在要讓前者去單幹,後者不得不去練持球的人怎麼把球隊建成這樣的
: 推 lovemeteor : 要Kuzma現在拿首輪等交易大限就有機會啊,難不成少 12/09 20:12
: → lovemeteor : Ayton的陣容搭Kuzma比有Ayton+CP3的陣容搭Kuzma更 12/09 20:12
: → lovemeteor : 強? 12/09 20:12
這三行已經說得很精闢了
如果你不把DA跟CP3當核心,這沒話說,因為沒辦法多討論
但是未來的太陽就是要重新在洗牌中找尋新的PG C
並且把書橋未來幾年綁好好的時光都拿來陪公子練兵
我們的最佳總管還是個會砍球探不重視選秀的
這兩個只要一個吹密太陽的年輕核心就直接爆了
: → Aggro : 褲子上限又沒高到哪 一樣會卡天花板拉 更別說Ayton 12/09 20:14
: → Aggro : 今年也難賣 明年可以直接交易再動實在多了 12/09 20:14
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