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By Edward Lewis
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簡單回應一下薪資的部份,因為有些地方有點誤解。
※ 引述《glen (哈棒波特5-棒棒堂的密令)》之銘言:
: 下一季 Jarred Vanderbilt 雖然也很便宜 但也應該得續約
: 湖人隊的荷包能開到多少呢..............?
: → hcl00 : 老闆應該願意繳稅啦 03/20 12:29
: 推 turnpoint : AR到別隊有機會拿到年薪15-20M,這數字女王會不會 03/20 12:29
: → b0023098 : DS保證還是底薪 之前迷你中產去BOS都沒留下來 03/20 12:31
: 1.連續幾年繳豪華稅的懲罰金額,這其實不輕
: Jarred Vanderbilt 是460幾萬 但等便宜約走完肯定也是中產千萬以上來談
: Austin Reaves 我是別隊GM就開1500萬起跳的合約毒死湖人
: 推 thatblue : \召喚王桑/ 03/20 13:32
首先,Jarred Vanderbilt今年暑假不用煩惱,
他明年非全額保障,但一定不會裁,因為才4.6M,之後要不要續約是明年的事,還早。
現在討論他,大概跟現在討論中秋節要吃哪種月餅一樣,太早。
湖人首先要在"六月底"決定這三個人:
Malik Beasley TO(球隊選擇權) 16.5M
MO Bamba 非保障 10.3M
Davon Reed 非保障 2.1M
旅台Davon Reed可以直接當成裁掉了。
另外兩個人,TO跟非保障看起來很像,但其實有著絕對性的不同。
○ TO可以「不撿」,但仍然保有鳥權。
◎ 非保障不是撿不撿,是「要不要裁掉」,裁掉之後當然就沒有鳥權。
所以Mo Bamba的狀況只可能是(六月底要決定):
A.「不裁,10.3M」
或
B.「裁掉,沒有鳥權只能用中產或底薪重簽」
Malik Beasley或許可以討論一下不撿TO再用鳥權重簽,
但如果不撿TO,他會是UFA,也可能別隊招手他就過去了。
然後是另一個六月底要決定的:
[受限自由球員雙人組]
八村壘
AR (Austin Reaves)
六月底必須要決定,「要不要開QO給他們拒絕,才能變成RFA」?
(如果球員身價低於QO[Qualifying Offer],會接受QO,變成一年合約)
AR的QO是2M,一定會拒絕,所以開QO沒有問題。
八村的QO是8.5M,應該也會拒絕,開QO給他也可以吧。
這邊記住一件事,QO就是球隊開出去給球員拒絕的,這樣才會變成RFA。
每年都有新聞把「拒絕QO」講的很嚴重,拜託,接受QO(一年合約)才嚴重好嗎。
接受QO代表球隊判斷錯誤了,球員寧可拿「被認為較低的薪資」也要多留一年,
而且這一年球員還有交易否決權(NTC,霸王條款)。
如果球隊不開QO,球員會直接變成UFA(非受限自由球員),
那大概就只有底薪~付稅中產等級的價碼了,湖人這幾年簽了很多這種沒被母隊開QO的。
Kendrick Nunn、Malik Monk、Lonnie Walker都是。
開QO,被拒絕之後,會變成RFA(受限自由球員)
這時候球隊可以跟進別隊報價,可能會稍微有僵局,因為球員也會等等看報價。
一般來說,這兩位大概就是中產左右行情。
但AR的狀況稍微麻煩,他是非首輪新秀的兩年年資球員,符合Arenas條款。
也就是他可能會被開「毒藥合約」
毒藥合約是「對母隊來說,薪資第三年大幅膨脹」的合約,舉個例:
如果湖人要簽AR,只能用「早鳥條款」,大概是12M起薪,2~4年合約。
以三年約舉例:
「12M 13M 14M,這樣子3年39M」
可是別隊要搶AR,開出來「毒藥合約」,第三年大幅膨脹,會是長這樣:
「12M 13M 35M,這樣子3年60M」
然後如果湖人選擇不跟進,對搶AR那隊來說合約會變成20M 20M 20M這樣均分。
所以「要開出毒藥合約的球隊,必須要有20M(在這例子裡)的薪資空間」。
而明年有薪資空間的球隊大概是
「黃蜂、魔術、溜馬、活塞、雷霆、爵士、馬刺、火箭」。
這八支球隊有本錢開毒藥合約來毒湖人,
其他沒有薪資空間的球隊最多用全額中產(12M)來搶。
而像快艇這種已經爆稅的球隊,最多只有付稅中產(7M)。
上面是AR跟幾個還算是有選擇的球員的部份。
至於累犯加重豪華稅又是另外一個問題了。
基本上討論薪資,尤其是湖人隊老闆珍妮的狀況下,要有一個認知:
珍妮沒有說她不付稅,事實上她也不會讓自己顯得寒酸。
但她的問題是,錢包深度比不上隔壁的Ballmer,也比不過灣區那隊。
從這幾年的狀況來看,珍妮的錢包大概就是200M左右(薪資+稅金),再多她不行。
(參考:勇士 360M、快艇 330M、公鹿 250M、太陽220M)
明年稅線是163M左右(還會有細部調整),
因為湖人已經連續三年繳稅,所以明年是「累犯加重豪華稅」。
○ 超稅17M的話要繳52M的稅
也就是180M薪資+52M稅金,232M,這個數字應該超過珍妮錢包上限。
○ 超稅12M的話只要繳33M的稅
也就是175M薪資+33M稅金,208M,這就比較接近珍妮這幾年的錢包上限。
所以可以預期,湖人的團隊薪資會是在175M上下,不會太低,但也不會高到哪去。
以這個金額去計算會比較接近珍妮的狀況,
畢竟她也沒說自己不付稅,只是她不願意付太多稅....
然後湖人很不會省小錢,這季雙向基本上是放著生灰塵。(勇士雙向上了快一百場)
前不久替補中鋒Bamba傷了,第15格空著也不簽十日合約,多半也是卡在錢的問題上。
大概是這樣,除了鳥權底薪之外,湖人明年只有一發付稅中產7M。
我自己是猜這發也許會給德軟吧,他也許不值4Y80M,但7M來說還算是合理價。
一點回應。
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※ 引述《glen (哈棒波特5-棒棒堂的密令)》之銘言:
: 下一季 Jarred Vanderbilt 雖然也很便宜 但也應該得續約
: 湖人隊的荷包能開到多少呢..............?
: → hcl00 : 老闆應該願意繳稅啦 03/20 12:29
: 推 turnpoint : AR到別隊有機會拿到年薪15-20M,這數字女王會不會 03/20 12:29
: → b0023098 : DS保證還是底薪 之前迷你中產去BOS都沒留下來 03/20 12:31
: 1.連續幾年繳豪華稅的懲罰金額,這其實不輕
: Jarred Vanderbilt 是460幾萬 但等便宜約走完肯定也是中產千萬以上來談
: Austin Reaves 我是別隊GM就開1500萬起跳的合約毒死湖人
: 推 thatblue : \召喚王桑/ 03/20 13:32
首先,Jarred Vanderbilt今年暑假不用煩惱,
他明年非全額保障,但一定不會裁,因為才4.6M,之後要不要續約是明年的事,還早。
現在討論他,大概跟現在討論中秋節要吃哪種月餅一樣,太早。
湖人首先要在"六月底"決定這三個人:
Malik Beasley TO(球隊選擇權) 16.5M
MO Bamba 非保障 10.3M
Davon Reed 非保障 2.1M
旅台Davon Reed可以直接當成裁掉了。
另外兩個人,TO跟非保障看起來很像,但其實有著絕對性的不同。
○ TO可以「不撿」,但仍然保有鳥權。
◎ 非保障不是撿不撿,是「要不要裁掉」,裁掉之後當然就沒有鳥權。
所以Mo Bamba的狀況只可能是(六月底要決定):
A.「不裁,10.3M」
或
B.「裁掉,沒有鳥權只能用中產或底薪重簽」
Malik Beasley或許可以討論一下不撿TO再用鳥權重簽,
但如果不撿TO,他會是UFA,也可能別隊招手他就過去了。
然後是另一個六月底要決定的:
[受限自由球員雙人組]
八村壘
AR (Austin Reaves)
六月底必須要決定,「要不要開QO給他們拒絕,才能變成RFA」?
(如果球員身價低於QO[Qualifying Offer],會接受QO,變成一年合約)
AR的QO是2M,一定會拒絕,所以開QO沒有問題。
八村的QO是8.5M,應該也會拒絕,開QO給他也可以吧。
這邊記住一件事,QO就是球隊開出去給球員拒絕的,這樣才會變成RFA。
每年都有新聞把「拒絕QO」講的很嚴重,拜託,接受QO(一年合約)才嚴重好嗎。
接受QO代表球隊判斷錯誤了,球員寧可拿「被認為較低的薪資」也要多留一年,
而且這一年球員還有交易否決權(NTC,霸王條款)。
如果球隊不開QO,球員會直接變成UFA(非受限自由球員),
那大概就只有底薪~付稅中產等級的價碼了,湖人這幾年簽了很多這種沒被母隊開QO的。
Kendrick Nunn、Malik Monk、Lonnie Walker都是。
開QO,被拒絕之後,會變成RFA(受限自由球員)
這時候球隊可以跟進別隊報價,可能會稍微有僵局,因為球員也會等等看報價。
一般來說,這兩位大概就是中產左右行情。
但AR的狀況稍微麻煩,他是非首輪新秀的兩年年資球員,符合Arenas條款。
也就是他可能會被開「毒藥合約」
毒藥合約是「對母隊來說,薪資第三年大幅膨脹」的合約,舉個例:
如果湖人要簽AR,只能用「早鳥條款」,大概是12M起薪,2~4年合約。
以三年約舉例:
「12M 13M 14M,這樣子3年39M」
可是別隊要搶AR,開出來「毒藥合約」,第三年大幅膨脹,會是長這樣:
「12M 13M 35M,這樣子3年60M」
然後如果湖人選擇不跟進,對搶AR那隊來說合約會變成20M 20M 20M這樣均分。
所以「要開出毒藥合約的球隊,必須要有20M(在這例子裡)的薪資空間」。
而明年有薪資空間的球隊大概是
「黃蜂、魔術、溜馬、活塞、雷霆、爵士、馬刺、火箭」。
這八支球隊有本錢開毒藥合約來毒湖人,
其他沒有薪資空間的球隊最多用全額中產(12M)來搶。
而像快艇這種已經爆稅的球隊,最多只有付稅中產(7M)。
上面是AR跟幾個還算是有選擇的球員的部份。
至於累犯加重豪華稅又是另外一個問題了。
基本上討論薪資,尤其是湖人隊老闆珍妮的狀況下,要有一個認知:
珍妮沒有說她不付稅,事實上她也不會讓自己顯得寒酸。
但她的問題是,錢包深度比不上隔壁的Ballmer,也比不過灣區那隊。
從這幾年的狀況來看,珍妮的錢包大概就是200M左右(薪資+稅金),再多她不行。
(參考:勇士 360M、快艇 330M、公鹿 250M、太陽220M)
明年稅線是163M左右(還會有細部調整),
因為湖人已經連續三年繳稅,所以明年是「累犯加重豪華稅」。
○ 超稅17M的話要繳52M的稅
也就是180M薪資+52M稅金,232M,這個數字應該超過珍妮錢包上限。
○ 超稅12M的話只要繳33M的稅
也就是175M薪資+33M稅金,208M,這就比較接近珍妮這幾年的錢包上限。
所以可以預期,湖人的團隊薪資會是在175M上下,不會太低,但也不會高到哪去。
以這個金額去計算會比較接近珍妮的狀況,
畢竟她也沒說自己不付稅,只是她不願意付太多稅....
然後湖人很不會省小錢,這季雙向基本上是放著生灰塵。(勇士雙向上了快一百場)
前不久替補中鋒Bamba傷了,第15格空著也不簽十日合約,多半也是卡在錢的問題上。
大概是這樣,除了鳥權底薪之外,湖人明年只有一發付稅中產7M。
我自己是猜這發也許會給德軟吧,他也許不值4Y80M,但7M來說還算是合理價。
一點回應。
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