Kobe進的了名人堂嗎 - NBA

By Margaret
at 2015-03-10T13:52
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打那麼多也查那麼多數據的確是很猛
但老實說 查數據也只是NBA版的小眾每天無聊沒事幹找出來做的事之一
一 我們不是球探球評也不是球隊GM 那個球員打的好或不好頂多拿來消遣消遣
二 如果說看球就是要看數據的話那你怎麼不去看股票的數字跟顏色高潮就好
三 這一切都建立在商業價值上 你再強再強商業價值不好就是沒用
為什麼我這樣說勒
一般人誰會無聊到去查什麼EFF 真實命中率什麼的
頂多報紙看一看誰幾投幾中 哪個球隊又幾連敗 西河連幾場大三元的
誰會去看那些進階數據? 對 就是這裡了
大家印象中就是Kobe很猛很強很會幹整天狂幹分
你對於Harden是什麼印象? 狂罰球
就算他真實命中率還是什麼效率值屌打誰 又怎樣?
就沒人喜歡看他打球啊(不過不得不說他最近的晃人真的強)
你對於Durant是什麼印象? 狂罰球 還有投籃很準啊什麼的
但他的氣在哪裡
對 我說到重點了
大家想要看的就是一場秀 我就是要看到那個氣
看LeBron打球你會因為他狂暴力猛切爆扣跟追魂鍋很爽
看Jordan打球你會因為他超扯後仰跟滯空能力很爽
看Kobe打球你會因為他怎樣都能幹進或幹不進很爽
看AI打球你會因為他這樣子了還要繼續站起來打球真的很爽
誰在意他們數據啊?
不要這麼在意數據的看球也會比較開心吧?
※ 引述《spongebob56 (海綿56)》之銘言:
: ※ 引述《hermionex (hermionex)》之銘言:
: : 小魯是今年才開始看NBA
: 你確定?
: : 以前還沒看時很常聽到Kobe的名子 當時以為Kobe是NBA第一球員
: 這就是不懂的人 被媒體洗腦的假象 所以以前只會看得分的國中生很愛
: 當時被狂捧就是高出手高得分的球隊黑暗期 0.67輪
: 得分這麼猛 帶不起球隊 根本不能稱第一 證明沒大腿就是不行
: 如果能像LBJ 不要求太多 帶到西冠就好 戰績西區前4就好
: 不用像LBJ帶到季賽戰績全聯盟第一 跟冠軍戰 但KOBE就是沒有
: 所以被酸這個不意外 一直在季後賽底部徘徊 然後一輪遊
: 所以他跟本沒在聯盟當過第一 不過每季實力維持在前5是有的
: 所以實力算是維持蠻平均的 但最近幾年就是下限年
: : 開始看的時候才發現不是
: : 據海綿56大及板上專家的說法
: : Kobe許多成就似乎是假的?
: : 如5冠 其實是偷了 大歐三座 嘎獸2座
: 不是偷是抱一個更強的大腿 就是當副手 但被某些人一直拿冠軍出來嘴
: 講得好像都是靠KOBE拿的 甚至還拿冠軍數量比個人實力
: 整天在那邊5>>>>>>>> 很可笑
: 要炫戒指就要像MJ 6冠6FMVP 這樣拿冠壓人才有說服力
: 證明拿冠你貢獻最多 而不是常常在冠軍戰烙賽 如04湖人輸給活塞
: 冠軍戰輸4場 KOBE這4場都嚴重烙賽烙賽烙賽 很重要說3次
: 詳情請看 #1H7y9kYs (NBA) [ptt.cc] Re: [討論] 04年冠軍戰湖人怎輸的
: 但這因為沒拿到冠軍1勝(這場KOBE表現好 就贏了)4敗 所以不多說了
: 隨便列一下
: 00年冠軍 4勝2敗
: 6-13 .462 W
: 1-3 .333 W 只上9分鐘
: 沒上 L
: 14-27 .519 W
: 4-20 .200 L
: 8-27 .296 W
: 第四場不錯 但一場幾乎沒上
: 後面2場.....恩烙賽風格
: 歐肥呢 噁心可怕 FMVP不意外
: 01年冠軍 4勝1敗
: 7-22 .318 L
: 11-23 .478 W
: 13-30 .433 W
: 6-13 .462 W
: 7-18 .389 W
:
: 沒很糟 2場打得差而已 第四場不錯差點大三元
: 且出手少 所以很明顯分差最大的一場
: 贏了14分 歐肥不列了 可怕噁心 FMVP不意外
: 02年冠軍 4勝0敗
: 6-16 .375 W
: 9-15 .600 W
: 14-23 .609 W
: 7-16 .438 W
: 這年不錯稱職的副手
: 不過前面西冠有歷史上著名的 法院認證黑哨 裁判都承認了
: 不然湖人幾乎不可能贏國王 結過就這樣打了7場讓湖人闖過西冠
: 但冠軍戰歐肥一樣 噁心可怕FMVP不意外
: 光3座 就很明顯靠歐肥Carry了好幾場 結果整天5>>>>>>
: 5>>>>>>>>4 KOBE>歐肥?? 一直拿冠軍比個人實力 真的好可愛
: 還有另外兩座冠軍 10年FMVP超有爭議
: 另外3塔的貢獻也很多 實在沒必要每天自己以為KOBE自己拿了5冠
: 在那邊5>>>>>>>>>>n
: : MVP 偷CP3的 所以其實是沒得過MVP
: 這已經討論很久了 是事實
: : FMVP 一個是偷了嘎獸的
: 一個超有爭議 一個真的沒問題
: : 11次NBA第一隊 根據海綿56大所言 可能要再扣個3次
: 這個SG位置上 Wade 很猛 但顛峰期就是短了點 無法像KOBE維持這麼久
: 這個我從來沒酸過第一隊的事情 我也懶得看 這沒很重要
: : 單場最高分81分 自幹+對手爛才有的 所以在扣個20分=61分
: 自幹沒有錯 出手46次 20罰 但命中率倒是很高 是很強沒錯
: 但怎不提提17-47 41分這種場次 一自幹總有幾場特別好看吧
: 不過我知道 一直狂幹要81也是有難度 但要17-47 41分也是超有難度
: : 17次明星賽 這應該都是迷迷灌票的 所以在扣個5次
: 這不重要這是人氣票選 跟實力無關 今年0.37毒害球隊 不是也進了
: : 12次最佳防守陣容 這好像沒有異議
: 這我很有異議 KOBE防守大家都知道 看到大牌子 會超認真守
: 其他時候偏向偷懶 這種態度拿我是很有意見拉 但這種投票出來的
: 而且數據也不一定看得出來 雖然有些防守數據KB好像沒多好?
: 這有待人說明 沒特別研究防守數據 所以印像派牌子還是很重要
: 我是歡迎有人拿數據打我臉 我還蠻想研究防守的
: : 32000分 自幹來的 所以在扣個7000=25000
: 雖然如此 但還是32000分 拿了打鐵王又怎樣 還是32000
: 無法反駁啥
: 結論:我可沒說過 KOBE不會進名人堂 一定進的阿
: 就像一堆人酸LBJ都抱腿 連JR Mozgov 也是超大腿
: 刷數據 有的沒的 但他即使現在不打30歲退休 一定還是穩進名人堂
: 你能說啥
--
但老實說 查數據也只是NBA版的小眾每天無聊沒事幹找出來做的事之一
一 我們不是球探球評也不是球隊GM 那個球員打的好或不好頂多拿來消遣消遣
二 如果說看球就是要看數據的話那你怎麼不去看股票的數字跟顏色高潮就好
三 這一切都建立在商業價值上 你再強再強商業價值不好就是沒用
為什麼我這樣說勒
一般人誰會無聊到去查什麼EFF 真實命中率什麼的
頂多報紙看一看誰幾投幾中 哪個球隊又幾連敗 西河連幾場大三元的
誰會去看那些進階數據? 對 就是這裡了
大家印象中就是Kobe很猛很強很會幹整天狂幹分
你對於Harden是什麼印象? 狂罰球
就算他真實命中率還是什麼效率值屌打誰 又怎樣?
就沒人喜歡看他打球啊(不過不得不說他最近的晃人真的強)
你對於Durant是什麼印象? 狂罰球 還有投籃很準啊什麼的
但他的氣在哪裡
對 我說到重點了
大家想要看的就是一場秀 我就是要看到那個氣
看LeBron打球你會因為他狂暴力猛切爆扣跟追魂鍋很爽
看Jordan打球你會因為他超扯後仰跟滯空能力很爽
看Kobe打球你會因為他怎樣都能幹進或幹不進很爽
看AI打球你會因為他這樣子了還要繼續站起來打球真的很爽
誰在意他們數據啊?
不要這麼在意數據的看球也會比較開心吧?
※ 引述《spongebob56 (海綿56)》之銘言:
: ※ 引述《hermionex (hermionex)》之銘言:
: : 小魯是今年才開始看NBA
: 你確定?
: : 以前還沒看時很常聽到Kobe的名子 當時以為Kobe是NBA第一球員
: 這就是不懂的人 被媒體洗腦的假象 所以以前只會看得分的國中生很愛
: 當時被狂捧就是高出手高得分的球隊黑暗期 0.67輪
: 得分這麼猛 帶不起球隊 根本不能稱第一 證明沒大腿就是不行
: 如果能像LBJ 不要求太多 帶到西冠就好 戰績西區前4就好
: 不用像LBJ帶到季賽戰績全聯盟第一 跟冠軍戰 但KOBE就是沒有
: 所以被酸這個不意外 一直在季後賽底部徘徊 然後一輪遊
: 所以他跟本沒在聯盟當過第一 不過每季實力維持在前5是有的
: 所以實力算是維持蠻平均的 但最近幾年就是下限年
: : 開始看的時候才發現不是
: : 據海綿56大及板上專家的說法
: : Kobe許多成就似乎是假的?
: : 如5冠 其實是偷了 大歐三座 嘎獸2座
: 不是偷是抱一個更強的大腿 就是當副手 但被某些人一直拿冠軍出來嘴
: 講得好像都是靠KOBE拿的 甚至還拿冠軍數量比個人實力
: 整天在那邊5>>>>>>>> 很可笑
: 要炫戒指就要像MJ 6冠6FMVP 這樣拿冠壓人才有說服力
: 證明拿冠你貢獻最多 而不是常常在冠軍戰烙賽 如04湖人輸給活塞
: 冠軍戰輸4場 KOBE這4場都嚴重烙賽烙賽烙賽 很重要說3次
: 詳情請看 #1H7y9kYs (NBA) [ptt.cc] Re: [討論] 04年冠軍戰湖人怎輸的
: 但這因為沒拿到冠軍1勝(這場KOBE表現好 就贏了)4敗 所以不多說了
: 隨便列一下
: 00年冠軍 4勝2敗
: 6-13 .462 W
: 1-3 .333 W 只上9分鐘
: 沒上 L
: 14-27 .519 W
: 4-20 .200 L
: 8-27 .296 W
: 第四場不錯 但一場幾乎沒上
: 後面2場.....恩烙賽風格
: 歐肥呢 噁心可怕 FMVP不意外
: 01年冠軍 4勝1敗
: 7-22 .318 L
: 11-23 .478 W
: 13-30 .433 W
: 6-13 .462 W
: 7-18 .389 W
:
: 沒很糟 2場打得差而已 第四場不錯差點大三元
: 且出手少 所以很明顯分差最大的一場
: 贏了14分 歐肥不列了 可怕噁心 FMVP不意外
: 02年冠軍 4勝0敗
: 6-16 .375 W
: 9-15 .600 W
: 14-23 .609 W
: 7-16 .438 W
: 這年不錯稱職的副手
: 不過前面西冠有歷史上著名的 法院認證黑哨 裁判都承認了
: 不然湖人幾乎不可能贏國王 結過就這樣打了7場讓湖人闖過西冠
: 但冠軍戰歐肥一樣 噁心可怕FMVP不意外
: 光3座 就很明顯靠歐肥Carry了好幾場 結果整天5>>>>>>
: 5>>>>>>>>4 KOBE>歐肥?? 一直拿冠軍比個人實力 真的好可愛
: 還有另外兩座冠軍 10年FMVP超有爭議
: 另外3塔的貢獻也很多 實在沒必要每天自己以為KOBE自己拿了5冠
: 在那邊5>>>>>>>>>>n
: : MVP 偷CP3的 所以其實是沒得過MVP
: 這已經討論很久了 是事實
: : FMVP 一個是偷了嘎獸的
: 一個超有爭議 一個真的沒問題
: : 11次NBA第一隊 根據海綿56大所言 可能要再扣個3次
: 這個SG位置上 Wade 很猛 但顛峰期就是短了點 無法像KOBE維持這麼久
: 這個我從來沒酸過第一隊的事情 我也懶得看 這沒很重要
: : 單場最高分81分 自幹+對手爛才有的 所以在扣個20分=61分
: 自幹沒有錯 出手46次 20罰 但命中率倒是很高 是很強沒錯
: 但怎不提提17-47 41分這種場次 一自幹總有幾場特別好看吧
: 不過我知道 一直狂幹要81也是有難度 但要17-47 41分也是超有難度
: : 17次明星賽 這應該都是迷迷灌票的 所以在扣個5次
: 這不重要這是人氣票選 跟實力無關 今年0.37毒害球隊 不是也進了
: : 12次最佳防守陣容 這好像沒有異議
: 這我很有異議 KOBE防守大家都知道 看到大牌子 會超認真守
: 其他時候偏向偷懶 這種態度拿我是很有意見拉 但這種投票出來的
: 而且數據也不一定看得出來 雖然有些防守數據KB好像沒多好?
: 這有待人說明 沒特別研究防守數據 所以印像派牌子還是很重要
: 我是歡迎有人拿數據打我臉 我還蠻想研究防守的
: : 32000分 自幹來的 所以在扣個7000=25000
: 雖然如此 但還是32000分 拿了打鐵王又怎樣 還是32000
: 無法反駁啥
: 結論:我可沒說過 KOBE不會進名人堂 一定進的阿
: 就像一堆人酸LBJ都抱腿 連JR Mozgov 也是超大腿
: 刷數據 有的沒的 但他即使現在不打30歲退休 一定還是穩進名人堂
: 你能說啥
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