Djo打贏Fed的策略 - 網球 Tennis

Thomas avatar
By Thomas
at 2015-07-14T15:15

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http://tinyurl.com/qftm97l
Brain Game: Djokovic's Winning Game Plan Against Federer

One more ball.
多打一顆球

That was the foundation on which Novak Djokovic, and coach, Boris Becker,
built a masterful game plan to win the Serb’s third Wimbledon title Sunday.
這是Djo和其教練貝克完美的比賽策略的根基

Djokovic defeated Roger Federer 7-6(1), 6-7(10), 6-4, 6-3, primarily by
extending rallies, and making Federer bend to his own baseline intentions,
much more than the opposite way.
Djo打敗老費,主要在於延長對抽次數,同時迫使老費待在底線

There were several moments in time where the match could have swung either way,
but the overall body of work was far more controlled by the Serb, and that
greatly helped when push came to shove.
或是在某些時候事情不是這樣發展,但大部分時刻比賽都掌握在賽亞人手中

Federer played more baseline points in the final (126) than any other match,
averaging 32 per set - six more per set than against Andy Murray in the
semi-finals.
費爸打了比任何一場比賽還多的底線。在決賽高達126次,每盤32次:比跟莫瑞打時每盤
足足多了六次

It was exactly the plan that super-coach, Boris Becker, had put into place.
這完全就是超級教練貝克一開始就擬定的計畫

“Obviously we knew that Roger is going to go all power, he is not going to
wait, and go for slow baseline rallies,” Becker said post-match.
貝克賽後說:很明顯的我們知道羅傑會用盡全力,他不會等待,然後在底線緩慢對抽
“He started the way he finished with Murray, very aggressive, not giving
Novak any time, any rhythm.”
他一開始就用他結束莫瑞比賽的方式,非常的侵略,不給Novak任何喘息和節奏

“There was not much between them in the first two sets, but as the match
went on I had a good feeling. I felt that eventually Novak would get hold of
Roger’s serve, get him into baseline rallies, take advantage of his younger
legs, and that was the difference.”
前兩盤雙方打的難分難解。但隨著比賽的進行,我有了好的預感。我覺得最後Novak
可以擋住羅傑的發球,迫使他返回底線對抽,利用他年輕的腿。而差距就開始出現。

Federer averaged winning 52 per cent of his baseline points going into
this year’s final, but that number was hammered down to 40 per cent by
Djokovic’s superior baseline arsenal. Ironically, those were the exact same
losing numbers for Federer at the 2014 Championships. It was simply a matter
of hitting copy / paste 12 months later for the Serb.
在進入決賽前,費德勒可以贏下52%的底線得分,但在Djo無敵的底線能力前,這個數字
掉到了40%。諷刺的是,這個數字跟去年一樣,基本上就是把12個月前的數據複製貼上

While Federer’s groundstrokes had sparkled against Murray, they mainly
misfired against Djokovic.
雖然費的抽擊對莫端很有效,卻在對Djo時熄火

In the final, Djokovic won the battle of short rallies of 0-4 shots long
103-94, lost the medium length rallies of 5-9 shots 27-34, and dominated
extended rallies of nine shots or more 18-10. Federer didn’t play that
many extended rallies in his first three rounds combined.
在0到4拍的對抽,Djo 103:94 勝費。5~9拍的對抽以27:34輸費,但在超過10次的
對抽以18:10大勝。順帶一題,費在前三輪總共加起來都沒有這麼多次超過10拍的
對抽

Djokovic Forehand
Djo正手

Djokovic’s forehand was extremely impressive in the final, hitting 17 winners
to Federer’s 15, while only committing seven (Federer 17) unforced errors.
Djokovic hit it harder and flatter than normal against Federer’s primary
baseline weapon.
Djo的正手有17個致勝球(相對於費的15個),而僅只有7個失誤(費17個)。Djo的正手
比費的主要底線攻擊武器還要平和用力

“There was no option,” Becker said. “If you don’t hit it you lose anyway.
Go through the ball, be aggressive, go head-to-head with Roger, or you are
going to lose.”
貝克說:你沒有任何選擇。如果你不用力打,你還是會輸,所以就盡情的去攻擊,跟
羅傑對轟,要不然就等著輸球

“At the French Open he (Novak) played too tentative, he wanted Stan (Wawrinka)
to miss the balls, but you are not going to win a Grand Slam final by waiting
for the other guy to miss.”
在法網囧打的太小心,他希望小卡自爆,但你沒辦法在大滿貫藉由等其他人自爆而贏球
(迷之聲:去年溫網?)

“Novak was ready to go five hours, and I think it showed,” Becker added.
Novak早就準備好要打五小時了,我想你們也看見了

Second Serves
二發

The other key battle ground that Djokovic dominated in similar fashion to
their 2014 final was second serves. In successive finals, Djokovic’s second
serve winning per centage remained a strength, while Federer’s got
significantly worse.
跟去年一樣的由Djo稱霸的關鍵戰場是二發。在今年決賽,Djo的二發依然強勢,但費的
二發就變得跟爛

Djokovic won 60 per cent of his second serves in today’s final and 65 per cent
last year at SW19 against Federer. The Swiss, seven-time champion had won
66 per cent of his second serve points the past two weeks, but could only
muster 49 per cent in the final. Last year, those numbers also massively
dropped from 62 per cent to 44 per cent.
今天Djo贏了60%的二發,去年贏了65%。在過去兩個禮拜瑞士人贏了66%的二發,可是面對
Djo只剩下可憐的49%。去年這個數字從62%掉到了44%

Becker scouted Federer’s impressive semi-final victory over Murray from the
Royal Box on Centre Court, and saw specific areas for Djokovic to attack in
the final.
貝克在費德勒大勝莫端的比賽大刺刺的坐在旁邊收集情報。他從費身上看到了一些Djo
可以攻擊的部位

“Wimbledon finals are not won in the semi-final,” Becker knowingly pointed
out.
溫網決賽不是由準決賽來贏的

“Roger peaked in the semi-final. He could not have played better, but I have
seen Andy Murray play better as well. Of course, you get carried away with
the legend, Roger has won it seven times, but I felt if Novak could get hold
of the return, get Roger involved in the baseline rallies, just the extra
point all the time, eventually he was going to wear him down.”
羅傑在準決賽的表現已經好的不能再更好,但是莫端其實也表現的更好。但我有感覺假
如Djo可以在接球局中撐住,迫使羅傑參與更多底線對抽。就算只是多打幾分,最後
囧會開始把費給消耗掉

Federer Attacking
費的攻擊

Federer served and volleyed on 22 per cent (21/94) of his first serve points,
and 25 per cent (11/44) on seconds serves, overall winning a healthy 72 per
cent (23/32). He was also solid with net points won, winning 73 per cent
(42/58) at the front of the court. But it should have happened even more, as
Djokovic was able to get Federer into 126 baseline exchanges, that made
Federer’s pathway forward less clear, and blunted his overall aggression.
費在一發有22%的發球上網,二發有25%的發球上網。網前得分率是健康的73%。但這
應該要發生更多次的。因為Djo迫使費進行高達126次的底線對抽,費向前走的路就不明了

What Federer needed was more attacking than normal against Djokovic, but he
was not unwavering with the tactic.
費需要的是更多的攻擊來對抗Djo,但他對於這個策略並是堅定不搖的

Overall, Djokovic served magnificently, returned hard and deep, and took
advantage of the small windows of opportunity that presented themselves
better than Federer.
總體來說,Djo發球很棒,回球很用力很深,同時掌握住那一丁點的優勢而使他比
費更優秀

Djokovic knew Federer was not going to miss on the first couple of shots in a
rally, but he a made a point of repeatedly asking the question on the third
shot, or the fifth, or the seventh.
Djo知道費不會放過前幾拍的對抽,但他讓費不斷地在3、5或7拍面對這個問題

One more ball created one more opportunity to miss, and delivered one more
title on the world’s biggest stage.
每多一拍就可以創造更多的機會,同時得到更多的冠軍


很多人都說如果費表現的跟半決賽一樣好就會贏
但這是不可能的。費的武器和弱點早就被對方的教練看透了
費在數據上的表現比去年決賽好多了
可是反而更早輸球
(他自己本人都說他打的並不差,純粹技不如人)

有人說顛峰時期的費來打現在的囧會贏
但事實上他應該會輸的更慘
現在的費比以前更有經驗
懂的如何降低他弱的傷害
技巧也更純熟

以前的費應該是打不贏現在的費的
如果現在的費沒有更強的話
他也不可能維持在世界第二
畢竟其他人也一直在進步

只是世界第一的那個家伙已經幾乎沒有弱點了
唯一能夠打敗他的方法就是硬碰硬
像小卡那樣
而那個傢伙擁有各種的武器對你的弱點發動攻擊
除非能像小卡那樣幾乎沒弱點可以攻(自爆以外)
否則要打敗囧幾乎就是不可能的任務

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Oliver avatar
By Oliver
at 2015-07-16T14:23
如果你不用力打,你還是會輸,所以就盡情的去攻擊
Jacky avatar
By Jacky
at 2015-07-18T13:31
莫再提 Fed純粹是老化腳步變慢反拍不耐抽 跟技術無關...
Rosalind avatar
By Rosalind
at 2015-07-20T12:40
腳步有差阿
Belly avatar
By Belly
at 2015-07-22T11:48
有一球大斜對角小球 囧口還救到就覺得太猛惹
Megan avatar
By Megan
at 2015-07-24T10:56
....你有看巔峰時Fed的正拍和反拍嗎...
Zenobia avatar
By Zenobia
at 2015-07-26T10:05
巔峰的費體力上可以多撐好幾盤這就是差別
Rachel avatar
By Rachel
at 2015-07-28T09:13
Fed的經驗增加但體力下滑而減弱了總體戰力…天敵啊!
Delia avatar
By Delia
at 2015-07-30T08:21
所以Fed是輸在先天的體力下滑,但還是贏一堆少年耶!
Xanthe avatar
By Xanthe
at 2015-08-01T07:29
光年輕時的腳步跟發球就有超多的本錢跟囧口對轟
Hardy avatar
By Hardy
at 2015-08-03T06:38
想想某年澳網決賽打全攻擊的岡獸 費拔當時還是齁住了
Blanche avatar
By Blanche
at 2015-08-05T05:46
看今年的Djo還是比11年退化了不少 只是其他人退化更多
Mason avatar
By Mason
at 2015-08-07T04:54
對抽一直就是現在就是老費的劣勢啊..只是要能把一堆發球回到老費的腳邊..也只有囧科做到
Megan avatar
By Megan
at 2015-08-09T04:02
戰術很明確,實務上很難做到...現在有人不知費搶上網嗎
Hedwig avatar
By Hedwig
at 2015-08-11T03:11
對阿 在溫網好像也只有Djo能壓制 像Murray的攻擊性就
Una avatar
By Una
at 2015-08-13T02:19
太低了...不敢攻擊還是會輸 除非Fed狀況真的差過頭
Anonymous avatar
By Anonymous
at 2015-08-15T01:27
以前的費打不贏現在的費???oh my god你沒在看球
Ingrid avatar
By Ingrid
at 2015-08-17T00:35
巔峰的費 除了紅土王Nadal可以在紅土擋一下外 其他場地沒有這種對抽能贏他的說法XD
Freda avatar
By Freda
at 2015-08-18T23:44
這篇更該注意「0到4拍的對抽,Djo 103:94勝費」這段
Donna avatar
By Donna
at 2015-08-20T22:52
年輕6歲的囧打贏34歲老將費有什麼好得意的... 先不論巔
Victoria avatar
By Victoria
at 2015-08-22T22:00
這是費最該爭取佔上風(發球致勝/1-2 punch/發球上網)
Hedy avatar
By Hedy
at 2015-08-24T21:09
也可明顯看出賽況多半落在這一塊,但費偏偏佔不到便宜
Christine avatar
By Christine
at 2015-08-26T20:17
跑道位跟沒跑道位打出來的球差太多了
Freda avatar
By Freda
at 2015-08-28T19:25
我認為關鍵也在於Djo真的很能跑,有些費打的球角度已經算很偏,Djo還是能滑步跑到救球,這是其他的選手不太能做到的部分
Tracy avatar
By Tracy
at 2015-08-30T18:33
因為這場Djo發球和接發表現都很好啊 尤其雨停後的發球這是Djo進步很多的地方
Candice avatar
By Candice
at 2015-09-01T17:42
我覺得最關鍵還是在費即使一發有進,也未必能壓住Djo進入對抽階段的球,基本上費有得分都算是撿到了
Edith avatar
By Edith
at 2015-09-03T16:50
某Low可以出來說說DNO理論
Candice avatar
By Candice
at 2015-09-05T15:58
而這也是費目前的常態(亦即扣掉茉莉那場)
Harry avatar
By Harry
at 2015-09-07T15:06
巔峰時期的費會輸得更慘???
Thomas avatar
By Thomas
at 2015-09-09T14:15
不同意!!!以前的FEDERER比現在更快!!!
Jessica avatar
By Jessica
at 2015-09-11T13:23
現在的費比以前的費強....糟了,是世界奇觀
Hedwig avatar
By Hedwig
at 2015-09-13T12:31
以前的費打不贏現在的費,奇怪的邏輯推理
Lily avatar
By Lily
at 2015-09-15T11:39
最後面那一段沒有英文,所以是筆者看法嗎?
Ivy avatar
By Ivy
at 2015-09-17T10:48
20 歲的囧美網不就壓制費了?如果不是他心理素質太差早贏了
William avatar
By William
at 2015-09-19T09:56
現在的費確實在技巧上比以前更純熟.經驗也更豐富了.這也
Connor avatar
By Connor
at 2015-09-21T09:04
紅明顯,發球跟準決賽一樣好,結果一定會差很多
Kama avatar
By Kama
at 2015-09-23T08:13
是費還能力爭上游的原因.不過網球並沒辦法每球都能好好
Ina avatar
By Ina
at 2015-09-25T07:21
另外說年輕費比較弱的別再秀下限了,以前的比賽youtube都有
Daniel avatar
By Daniel
at 2015-09-27T06:29
做足準備.技巧是需要體能去做支撐的.
George avatar
By George
at 2015-09-29T05:37
年輕費肯定比較強 腳步正拍發球跟現在都不是同個檔次
Elma avatar
By Elma
at 2015-10-01T04:46
反拍相持可能是09比04-07略好 但是威力也是不如巔峰了
Tom avatar
By Tom
at 2015-10-03T03:54
去看07 08溫網,那時底線對抽的準度威力,跟腳部位移
Anthony avatar
By Anthony
at 2015-10-05T03:02
再來如果大家都愈老愈強 那其他年輕人還要打嗎
Connor avatar
By Connor
at 2015-10-07T02:10
08還是被認為已經走下坡的情況
Dora avatar
By Dora
at 2015-10-09T01:19
體能下滑是很現實的 如果跨越時空 老費會被費神虐慘
Puput avatar
By Puput
at 2015-10-11T00:27
奇葩耶 20歲囧美網壓制費?那其他他被壓制怎麼說?費這麼老了h2h才剛被囧刷平
Gilbert avatar
By Gilbert
at 2015-10-12T23:35
恩,所以FED擊敗AA的時候,相信你也覺得沒啥意義
Yuri avatar
By Yuri
at 2015-10-14T22:43
其實納豆除了猛攻費反拍外,也早就落實多打1顆球的策略,只是現在對喬帥無效了,因為喬帥多的哪1顆又深又強又更有效果!
Barb Cronin avatar
By Barb Cronin
at 2015-10-16T21:52
名符其實的當今頂尖對決
Ethan avatar
By Ethan
at 2015-10-18T21:00
如果2008年27歲的費爸已被認定走坡,那28歲的喬帥還正是如日中天的球王,不正是用年齡來對照出喬帥比費爸更強嗎?XD
Agatha avatar
By Agatha
at 2015-10-20T20:08
推翻譯 但是貝克教練就是看準費老了沒體力的弱點
Leila avatar
By Leila
at 2015-10-22T19:17
樓樓上在對照什麼啊...走下坡是相對於他自己年輕時
Iris avatar
By Iris
at 2015-10-24T18:25
年輕的費德勒 幾乎沒缺點 然後比較弱...
Olivia avatar
By Olivia
at 2015-10-26T17:33
仍然能跟Nadal底線對抽不屈下風扯到Djo現在狀態會不會跳太遠?
Jack avatar
By Jack
at 2015-10-28T16:41
Becker就是看準Roger老了底線不耐抽,年輕費你跟他打底線
Carol avatar
By Carol
at 2015-10-30T15:50
根本佔不到便宜
Catherine avatar
By Catherine
at 2015-11-01T14:58
如果你看過巔峰的fed應該無法有這種荒謬的結論。隨便去找溫
Leila avatar
By Leila
at 2015-11-03T14:06
08年老費下滑還有一部份是得了mono 沒生病體能可能會下滑慢一點
Harry avatar
By Harry
at 2015-11-05T13:14
網的完整決賽,比如說2006年,看看Fed是如何跟Nadal對轟。
Elizabeth avatar
By Elizabeth
at 2015-11-07T12:23
另外那個年齡對照的 用之前拿來說老費年代弱的理論也
Cara avatar
By Cara
at 2015-11-09T11:31
可以做相似的解釋 就是現在剛好又在青黃不接的時代
John avatar
By John
at 2015-11-11T10:39
後浪無高手 所以Djo得已繼續稱霸 不過我是不同意拉XD
Wallis avatar
By Wallis
at 2015-11-13T09:47
Djokovic的實力不論放在哪個年代 都絕對有10+GS的能力
Enid avatar
By Enid
at 2015-11-15T08:56
這也就是為啥囧讓費收集這麼多BP和Deuce的原因了(誤)為了消耗費的體力
Kristin avatar
By Kristin
at 2015-11-17T08:04
費被認定走下坡了,還在09跟12年重登球王欸,在那邊亂對照
Joseph avatar
By Joseph
at 2015-11-19T07:12
在稱霸兩三年也不會讓人太意外
Quanna avatar
By Quanna
at 2015-11-21T06:21
胡扯 老費現在的單反 手感 位移 都比巔峰時差
Caroline avatar
By Caroline
at 2015-11-23T05:29
以前的老費可以打出在行進間單反壓線穿越球
Belly avatar
By Belly
at 2015-11-25T04:37
賽亞人是哪招XDDD
Oliver avatar
By Oliver
at 2015-11-27T03:45
賽亞人滿貼切的,因為Djo現在有時會被媒體稱為Cyborg
Megan avatar
By Megan
at 2015-11-29T02:54
Cyborg本來是描述機械生化人,但總之……不是常人 XD
Ivy avatar
By Ivy
at 2015-12-01T02:02
反正過幾年再來看看囧會不會打得比現在好 噓你的神邏輯
Daniel avatar
By Daniel
at 2015-12-03T01:10
費今年算轉型為Big4的巔峰期 跟神降臨時期還是有差距
Leila avatar
By Leila
at 2015-12-05T00:18
費的強 在於他就算要退休了 也只退化成Big4等級
Daph Bay avatar
By Daph Bay
at 2015-12-06T23:27
我們真的很難看到費神退化的一天 他永遠給我們期待!
Dora avatar
By Dora
at 2015-12-08T22:35
前面2盤明顯可以抗衡,體力下滑在第二盤搶七很明顯,第
Cara avatar
By Cara
at 2015-12-10T21:43
三盤後就一蹶不振
Delia avatar
By Delia
at 2015-12-12T20:51
頂尖選手的勝負差距就在1,2球,體力無法支持全場高強度比賽就是年紀的問題,不是技術環節了
Anonymous avatar
By Anonymous
at 2015-12-14T20:00
跟十年前的05美網決賽有點像阿 前三盤都算精彩 最後
Olivia avatar
By Olivia
at 2015-12-16T19:08
體力支撐不住就一落千丈了 只是今天是老費站在Agassi
Agatha avatar
By Agatha
at 2015-12-18T18:16
我想Big4的其他人到了33歲 誰還能跟費一樣給我們期待
Linda avatar
By Linda
at 2015-12-20T17:25
的位置了 當年也是一堆人在嗆AA 現在算是循環吧XD
Dora avatar
By Dora
at 2015-12-22T16:33
所以我要支持到他開記者會告別球壇的那一天
Anonymous avatar
By Anonymous
at 2015-12-24T15:41
他退休後我會改支持喬克 畢竟他的韌性是怪物級的
Emma avatar
By Emma
at 2015-12-26T14:49
你的結論超奇怪,becker明明就是說法網會輸是太保守
Emily avatar
By Emily
at 2015-12-28T13:58
強如費納都有走下神壇的時候現在的費迷也算是理解當年
Noah avatar
By Noah
at 2015-12-30T13:06
站在教練的立場,他認為揪口根本不怕對手跟他硬碰硬
Sierra Rose avatar
By Sierra Rose
at 2016-01-01T12:14
Agassi球迷的感受了 可能來年Nad Djo的球迷也會懂吧
Erin avatar
By Erin
at 2016-01-03T11:22
結果你看完整篇竟然說"唯一能夠打敗他的方法就是硬碰硬"
Lauren avatar
By Lauren
at 2016-01-05T10:31
年輕的費跑多快阿拜託不是叫做特快車嗎
Gilbert avatar
By Gilbert
at 2016-01-07T09:39
推翻譯, 但後面結論超怪, Fed 3,4盤明輸在體能.
Tracy avatar
By Tracy
at 2016-01-09T08:47
迷迷:老費上網快上網啊! (對抽中沒空唷~
Zora avatar
By Zora
at 2016-01-11T07:55
最後一段zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Charlotte avatar
By Charlotte
at 2016-01-13T07:04
費爸戰術沒有體力支持也是沒轍
Daniel avatar
By Daniel
at 2016-01-15T06:12
就算要退休了 也只退化成Big4等級 可以尊重其他人嗎= =
Kelly avatar
By Kelly
at 2016-01-17T05:20
對抽調動跑來跑去不適合老人家
Joseph avatar
By Joseph
at 2016-01-19T04:29
還沒換大拍前的老費正拍不是現在可以比的啊...
Heather avatar
By Heather
at 2016-01-21T03:37
費爸老了,殘酷的事實
Hedwig avatar
By Hedwig
at 2016-01-23T02:45
...............所以我賽前的分析完全說中了
Jessica avatar
By Jessica
at 2016-01-25T01:53
誰强,大賽冠軍數是個客觀依據。每個個年代的技術都是建立在上個年代上。試問在納豆繞頭前,有多少人正拍會
Callum avatar
By Callum
at 2016-01-27T01:02
現在費老了成立 BIG4也成立 所以當然是退化成BIG4等級
Necoo avatar
By Necoo
at 2016-01-29T00:10
繞頭的?
Brianna avatar
By Brianna
at 2016-01-30T23:18
(樓上讓我看成FED老了成立big 4 XD)
John avatar
By John
at 2016-02-01T22:26
好像成立合唱團那種感覺哈哈哈
Hazel avatar
By Hazel
at 2016-02-03T21:35
純噓最後
Audriana avatar
By Audriana
at 2016-02-05T20:43
05年美網決賽真的看得好心痛啊....
Kelly avatar
By Kelly
at 2016-02-07T19:51
巔峰費反拍之神...我不知道囧口還能挑哪裡攻擊
Dinah avatar
By Dinah
at 2016-02-09T18:59
這篇只是想說囧史上最強吧!就算巔峰費也是被囧狂電
Edith avatar
By Edith
at 2016-02-11T18:08
照你的論點囧口不就應該愈來愈強直到他當爺爺為止
Yuri avatar
By Yuri
at 2016-02-13T17:16
年輕費輸給老年的費,要不要叫Jordan現在復出再打NBA阿
Heather avatar
By Heather
at 2016-02-15T16:24
哈哈,那你看Djokovic靠跑動可以撐多久啊
Rae avatar
By Rae
at 2016-02-17T15:33
Djoki也不是只靠跑動後,他的擊球又深又有力Djoko
Anthony avatar
By Anthony
at 2016-02-19T14:41
跑不到的時候還能又深又有力嗎...Becker都說了靠年輕的腿
Bennie avatar
By Bennie
at 2016-02-21T13:49
同一句話也可以用在Roger身上,現在就是跑動下滑太多
Ula avatar
By Ula
at 2016-02-23T12:57
Djo強的點在他極限救球時還能打出質量很好的反擊但前提還是要救的到
Annie avatar
By Annie
at 2016-02-25T12:06
以前的費打不贏現在的 笑了
Mason avatar
By Mason
at 2016-02-27T11:14
謝謝你的翻譯 但你自己的結論是在講啥 跟文章自相矛盾
Lauren avatar
By Lauren
at 2016-02-29T10:22
文章就講了JOKE打從一開始策略就是運用年輕的優勢耗死他你卻說如果費回到年輕時會輸更慘
Isla avatar
By Isla
at 2016-03-02T09:30
就講最會抽的納豆 以前納豆在硬地一樣抽不贏巔峰費
Dinah avatar
By Dinah
at 2016-03-04T08:39
現在的冏口的確已經無敵了但除了實力也是剛好處在青黃不接的年代
Sandy avatar
By Sandy
at 2016-03-06T07:47
但要說已經贏過了巔峰費或是巔峰NADAL 恕無法認同
Brianna avatar
By Brianna
at 2016-03-08T06:55
現在的囧口比現在的費爸強 沒人有意見
Annie avatar
By Annie
at 2016-03-10T06:03
可是要說年輕的費爸比現在還弱 你當大家都沒看過費的巔峰?
Brianna avatar
By Brianna
at 2016-03-12T05:12
Djoko確實有實力才能走到這步
Connor avatar
By Connor
at 2016-03-14T04:20
但為了捧Djoko居然說現在的費比巔峰時強...
Adele avatar
By Adele
at 2016-03-16T03:28
推翻譯 同意喬科強 不過最後一段是釣魚嗎?
Caitlin avatar
By Caitlin
at 2016-03-18T02:37
你的最後心得 整個自爆...
Hardy avatar
By Hardy
at 2016-03-20T01:45
我認為年輕的費德勒正反拍 喬帥連接的機會都沒有翻譯給推
Bennie avatar
By Bennie
at 2016-03-22T00:53
07蒙特婁決賽Djo就擊敗Fed奪冠 一個正在熟成期 一個巔峰似乎跟上2樓說的連接的機會都沒有好像差很多XD
Rebecca avatar
By Rebecca
at 2016-03-24T00:01
可以去水管找07蒙特婁決賽來看就知道有沒有機會接
Edward Lewis avatar
By Edward Lewis
at 2016-03-25T23:10
Djo現在沒有弱點讓對手突破,無論在紅土或反拍,除非自暴
Todd Johnson avatar
By Todd Johnson
at 2016-03-27T22:18
說囧比現在費強沒人有意見但說年輕費打不贏現在費..
Megan avatar
By Megan
at 2016-03-29T21:26
而且他自爆的機率大概只有1%或2%,穩定性逆轉能力上乘
Sarah avatar
By Sarah
at 2016-03-31T20:34
費的腳步明顯比以前慢了
Iris avatar
By Iris
at 2016-04-02T19:43
UE比年輕費多 (茶~~~
Isabella avatar
By Isabella
at 2016-04-04T18:51
貴古賤今,對回憶腦補造神
Margaret avatar
By Margaret
at 2016-04-06T17:59
費年輕時的策略和戰技比現在的喬還要主動還要有效率
Tristan Cohan avatar
By Tristan Cohan
at 2016-04-08T17:07
現在的喬對上年輕的費,比較有可能是僵持很久後輸掉因為他的體力會耗的比年輕時的費還要快= = 主被動的差距
Olivia avatar
By Olivia
at 2016-04-10T16:16
喬帥的球風並不會去特別搶佔主動主導對抽的地位 這差很多
Hamiltion avatar
By Hamiltion
at 2016-04-12T15:24
那也是對現在的費採取保守的戰術吧,等他自爆,如果是打年輕時的費,不見得會打得這麼被動,再怎麼猜測也是平行
Erin avatar
By Erin
at 2016-04-14T14:32
時空,費回不去了,只剩回憶。
Audriana avatar
By Audriana
at 2016-04-16T13:41
對 所以不用再比了 沒發生過的事不用講啥貴古賤今
Vanessa avatar
By Vanessa
at 2016-04-18T12:49
其實去看07蒙特婁決賽Djo怎麼打贏Fed就好了 不用猜吧
Agatha avatar
By Agatha
at 2016-04-20T11:57
雖然贏了那場之後在美網決賽被直落三XD
Steve avatar
By Steve
at 2016-04-22T11:05
喬遇到費會不會變強勢我們只能知道06~08的喬多半不會
Valerie avatar
By Valerie
at 2016-04-24T10:14
線機的喬對上06~08的費,沒人知道...
Callum avatar
By Callum
at 2016-04-26T09:22
而且單方面強調Fed巔峰期 Djo那時還不是成熟期 要到11才是
Valerie avatar
By Valerie
at 2016-04-28T08:30
兩人的巔峰期根本就沒重疊到 也很難比吧況且現在Djo也和11不同 尤其是發球和切球 比11進步不少
Harry avatar
By Harry
at 2016-04-30T07:38
所以就說不用比了 不要原PO亂比我們就跟著亂比
Thomas avatar
By Thomas
at 2016-05-02T06:47
巔峰費跟巔峰喬還很難比 說年輕時的費比現在還弱就真的...
Isabella avatar
By Isabella
at 2016-05-04T05:55
"以前的費應該是打不贏現在的費的"
Franklin avatar
By Franklin
at 2016-05-06T05:03
DJO現在就是伺機攻擊型的pusher,來回到你崩潰再解決你
Frederica avatar
By Frederica
at 2016-05-08T04:11
就像電影大白鯊一樣 繞著你轉圈圈轉到你崩潰再開咬
Dinah avatar
By Dinah
at 2016-05-10T03:20
老費對到DJO現在就是正反拍都少一步...多拍來回反而大多被DJO拉出更大的角度...
Daniel avatar
By Daniel
at 2016-05-12T02:28
費顛峰時是正拍有辦法左右狂巴狂壓線耶 喬打的贏XD
Heather avatar
By Heather
at 2016-05-14T01:36
基本上,我並不覺得費爸表現有明顯走下坡。或許費爸打法有改變和調整,體力腳步有失巔峰狀態,但扣除囧口,納豆(勉強也加上茉莉)的交手外,其實每年費
Gary avatar
By Gary
at 2016-05-16T00:45
爸是偶有失手一些不曾輸過的選手,但好像也不曾會連輸他們2次,而且現在還貴在NO.2,根本無需太將費爸輸球重點放在其狀態下滑了,只是看到有人提及其2008年費爸開始走下坡,才一時說出年齡對照的論點,雖然不能概括每位選手所有狀況的質性表現,但似乎值得
Odelette avatar
By Odelette
at 2016-05-17T23:53
老費最近在非決賽的情況下贏DJO好像比較常見進決賽DJO打費爸感覺上就變一個人
Jacob avatar
By Jacob
at 2016-05-19T23:01
用數據曲線來分析這些選手狀態變化的細微差異,如果費爸是完美球王的常模,即便約27歲以前的囧口表現水準明顯不如約27歲以前的費爸,但也看得出同時在28歲時的表現,囧口正在持續上升並延長稱霸網壇的好狀態中。
Daniel avatar
By Daniel
at 2016-05-21T22:09
未來的事誰都不知道啦 費當年08的病也是來的突如其來能夠健健康康走下去其實很多球王都能再延長統治時間,但網
Xanthe avatar
By Xanthe
at 2016-05-23T21:18
球選手真的就是啥時傷病會來完全無法預測 很恐怖的大部分對體能要求很劇烈的職業運動都是這樣
Jake avatar
By Jake
at 2016-05-25T20:26
應該說運動選手都這樣
Olive avatar
By Olive
at 2016-05-27T19:34
問題你的對照沒邏輯啊,08費走下坡哪裡"顯得喬更強"?
Una avatar
By Una
at 2016-05-29T18:42
跟這篇一樣結論亂下?
Edward Lewis avatar
By Edward Lewis
at 2016-05-31T17:51
費爸還能打的贏大多數人表示他狀態沒下滑??更詭異的邏輯
Faithe avatar
By Faithe
at 2016-06-02T16:59
Roger實力不如巔峰期這麼難分辨喔?
Regina avatar
By Regina
at 2016-06-04T16:07
很多人就只看近幾年才會造成樓上提到的這種謬誤啊...
Ingrid avatar
By Ingrid
at 2016-06-06T15:15
最後面的廢文是什麼一回事??
Edward Lewis avatar
By Edward Lewis
at 2016-06-08T14:24
還蠻希望djo 33歲也能跟費爸一樣健康
Brianna avatar
By Brianna
at 2016-06-10T13:32
28.2歲對33.9歲本來年齡差距造成體能差距就會是個issue不懂有些人一直迴避否認這個層面造成影響是在想什麼...
Daniel avatar
By Daniel
at 2016-06-12T12:40
笑死人,竟然有人說費年紀大,所以囧口打贏沒啥好得意
Ina avatar
By Ina
at 2016-06-14T11:49
那以後都分齡打好了,輸就是輸,那麼多藉口幹嘛
Audriana avatar
By Audriana
at 2016-06-16T10:57
我沒看到有人把這當藉口欸 就說這的確是影響比賽的其中一
Charlotte avatar
By Charlotte
at 2016-06-18T10:05
現在囧口就是>>>費德肋,比巔峰怎比張菲飛打岳飛喔誰在說你,我在說一開始的推文
Elvira avatar
By Elvira
at 2016-06-20T09:13
個層面而已 又不是全部 在敏感什麼? XDDD
Brianna avatar
By Brianna
at 2016-06-22T08:22
你說yeh**i喔?? 那傢伙是有名的反串釣魚O 不用理啦XDD
Hardy avatar
By Hardy
at 2016-06-24T07:30
你真的看過顛峰Federer?
Puput avatar
By Puput
at 2016-06-26T06:38
喔還有剛剛有人提到的07蒙特婁決賽,打了兩個搶七才決定的
Tracy avatar
By Tracy
at 2016-06-28T05:46
三盤比賽, 我是不覺得能夠比較出什麼顯著的意義啦
Hazel avatar
By Hazel
at 2016-06-30T04:55
因為一有人說Djo連巔峰Fed反拍都接不住 可以去看那場就知道
Jake avatar
By Jake
at 2016-07-02T04:03
07美網決賽也是打了兩個搶7阿XD
Ivy avatar
By Ivy
at 2016-07-04T03:11
其實差距也沒這麼大 而且說贏不了也非事實巡迴賽不就是三盤兩勝 硬要說不具意義那怎樣才有甚麼意義?
Gary avatar
By Gary
at 2016-07-06T02:19
隔年澳網SF直落三也擊敗Fed又說Fed08生病 怎麼樣都有理由XD但總說回來 兩人巔峰沒重疊一直拿來比真的蠻無聊的
Doris avatar
By Doris
at 2016-07-08T01:28
08生病也是事實阿XD 而且08也已經逐漸走下巔峰了
Gary avatar
By Gary
at 2016-07-10T00:36
最後就是捧囧貶費的廢文,你看球不久也別當大家沒看過顛峰費好嗎?真的壞了ㄧ鍋粥
Mason avatar
By Mason
at 2016-07-11T23:44
所以我說的沒有顯著意義是指看不出兩人有什麼差距 @_@
Faithe avatar
By Faithe
at 2016-07-13T22:53
而且三盤制比賽又兩搶七...說真的感覺關鍵在當天球運啊XD
Mason avatar
By Mason
at 2016-07-15T22:01
最後面...12費都比現在強上很多了 巔峰費會更弱?笑你無知到可以
Susan avatar
By Susan
at 2016-07-17T21:09
後面完全沒邏輯
Zanna avatar
By Zanna
at 2016-07-19T20:17
原文是一篇好文章 但你的心得是甚麼邏輯? Roger打不贏老了的自己? 哈哈
Mary avatar
By Mary
at 2016-07-21T19:26
還有 你似乎忘了 2013年尾 Roger回穩後 跟Djo的對打戰績是五五波 目前網壇大概就小卡跟Roger還能稍微跟Djo打
Ophelia avatar
By Ophelia
at 2016-07-23T18:34
並不是像你說的那樣 "不可能的任務"
David avatar
By David
at 2016-07-25T17:42
年輕的Fed可拿了16冠呢 怎麼可能比年老拿了1冠的Fed弱
Elvira avatar
By Elvira
at 2016-07-27T16:50
Djo肯定輸年輕Fed的啦 16>>>9
Joe avatar
By Joe
at 2016-07-29T15:59
感謝翻譯!這篇文章除了專業分析之外又提出數據
Yuri avatar
By Yuri
at 2016-07-31T15:07
看來貝克坐在皇家包廂看準決賽, 不是閒在那沒事幹的~
Caitlin avatar
By Caitlin
at 2016-08-02T14:15
推翻譯,但後面評論腦補的極為可笑。現今網球本來就是底
Hedda avatar
By Hedda
at 2016-08-04T13:23
線決定大多數因素,甚至可以說兩對角大斜線的功力決定七
Joseph avatar
By Joseph
at 2016-08-06T12:32
八成。年輕費就腳步和力道都完勝老費,所以年輕費更多時候留在底線偶爾隨球上網,巔峰期上網頻率甚至不高,老費
Ula avatar
By Ula
at 2016-08-08T11:40
底線對抽優勢漸少,才要大幅增加上網比例。巔峰費顯然贏
George avatar
By George
at 2016-08-10T10:48
老費,但是巔峰費和巔峰囧(2011年)相持就未定了,越快速
Lucy avatar
By Lucy
at 2016-08-12T09:57
的場地(如溫美網)會越放大費的優點。但是巔峰費也很難打
Rebecca avatar
By Rebecca
at 2016-08-14T09:05
贏納豆,因為有條底線大斜線徹底被壓制,這是球路相剋了
Connor avatar
By Connor
at 2016-08-16T08:13
網球比賽,能在兩條底線大斜線壓制對手,通常會贏,年輕
Todd Johnson avatar
By Todd Johnson
at 2016-08-18T07:21
費對納豆以外的其他人如此,現在囧絕大多數比賽也如此。
Megan avatar
By Megan
at 2016-08-20T06:30
因為打法多樣性和效率,老費的下降曲線很慢,這職業運動
Susan avatar
By Susan
at 2016-08-22T05:38
比賽會放大各種邊際差距,老費打其他人還不錯(但遠沒有
Eartha avatar
By Eartha
at 2016-08-24T04:46
以前穩),但是碰到同級的囧爸,基本上很難贏了。
Tom avatar
By Tom
at 2016-08-26T03:54
現在碰囧應該是三盤制55波 五盤制4-6/35-65 輸給囧
Joe avatar
By Joe
at 2016-08-28T03:03
神邏輯 大家還這麼客氣…網球版的人都吃素?
Hedwig avatar
By Hedwig
at 2016-08-30T02:11
費爸的綜合能力 絕對是費神時期最強
Mia avatar
By Mia
at 2016-09-01T01:19
越有經驗就越強 那喬丹幹嘛退休?
Ina avatar
By Ina
at 2016-09-03T00:27
太多廢話了 直接說 冏體力比費好 end 好嗎 RRRR
Susan avatar
By Susan
at 2016-09-04T23:36
年輕是費神 現在是費爸 以前的費正拍就打死囧口了
Adele avatar
By Adele
at 2016-09-06T22:44
以前的費不強拿了17座冠軍 現在的費很強拿不到任何一座
Callum avatar
By Callum
at 2016-09-08T21:52
說的白一點就是耗到他累就會贏 所有教練應該都這麼想
Skylar DavisLinda avatar
By Skylar DavisLinda
at 2016-09-10T21:01
戰術完全正確 補推回來
Belly avatar
By Belly
at 2016-09-12T20:09
老費速度降很多 優雅的救球可是年輕人才能做的
Delia avatar
By Delia
at 2016-09-14T19:17
推當年Agassi球迷的感受
Andrew avatar
By Andrew
at 2016-09-16T18:25
聽妳再扯 費德勒顛峰會輸現在的冏口 誰信?
Kristin avatar
By Kristin
at 2016-09-18T17:34
運動這種東西體力可是很吃重的
Daniel avatar
By Daniel
at 2016-09-20T16:42
後面是什麼鬼
Edith avatar
By Edith
at 2016-09-22T15:50
謝謝翻譯 但對於你後面補充自己心得內容實在不敢苟同
Leila avatar
By Leila
at 2016-09-24T14:58
最後一段是什麼東西... 你還真以為網球不是運動喔我指的是你個人註解
Charlie avatar
By Charlie
at 2016-09-26T14:07
所以只給箭頭 你對老費的評論只證明你很少看顛峰時期
Hamiltion avatar
By Hamiltion
at 2016-09-28T13:15
的老費打球 如果你說顛峰時期和11年上半年的囧打,誰
Sierra Rose avatar
By Sierra Rose
at 2016-09-30T12:23
會贏? 這還真難說 但囧現在狀況和11年上半年也有差距
Andrew avatar
By Andrew
at 2016-10-02T11:31
說顛峰費打不贏目前囧.... 然後還以前費打不贏現在費?這什麼跟什麼?
Doris avatar
By Doris
at 2016-10-04T10:40
可能是印象流吧
Blanche avatar
By Blanche
at 2016-10-06T09:48
大家都太客氣了
Belly avatar
By Belly
at 2016-10-08T08:56
網球是很吃體能的運動 Big4目前就是在比誰體能維持的更好,拉長戰線,誰就會贏 納豆就是今年體能退化太多
Xanthe avatar
By Xanthe
at 2016-10-10T08:05
所以目前掉隊很嚴重 不過這也不意外,畢竟他的傷病史也是Big4中最多的 能撐到現在也不容易了
Joe avatar
By Joe
at 2016-10-12T07:13
唉 納豆 QQ 希望下半年北美硬地賽季他能拚出好成績!!
Blanche avatar
By Blanche
at 2016-10-14T06:21
最後下這個爛結論真的太好笑了
Dora avatar
By Dora
at 2016-10-16T05:29
現在的費爸>巔峰期的費神??? 真的是活在平行世界裡...
Ida avatar
By Ida
at 2016-10-18T04:38
不懂就別出來丟人現眼了
Lauren avatar
By Lauren
at 2016-10-20T03:46
現在的費就算技巧跟經驗比年輕好 體能差距一樣彌補不了
Caitlin avatar
By Caitlin
at 2016-10-22T02:54
蠻好的
Hardy avatar
By Hardy
at 2016-10-24T02:02
為什麼你的翻譯和你的心得對不上 看看自己怎麼翻的吧
Erin avatar
By Erin
at 2016-10-26T01:11
純噓貝克,爭議一堆的人。
Lauren avatar
By Lauren
at 2016-10-28T00:19
最後結論超級好笑,完全平行時空無誤XDD
George avatar
By George
at 2016-10-29T23:27
最後的爛結論擺明就是沒看過巔峰費打球的樣子
Lauren avatar
By Lauren
at 2016-10-31T22:35
真以為Djo跟巔峰費打只要拉長拍數就可以逼他一堆UE?
Agnes avatar
By Agnes
at 2016-11-02T21:44
老費打巔峰費大概也是積極上網搶分 然後被打穿這樣
Odelette avatar
By Odelette
at 2016-11-04T20:52
其實就不會有28歲囧打28費的機會 所以巔峰費對上11囧
Elizabeth avatar
By Elizabeth
at 2016-11-06T20:00
這種張飛打岳飛的事情誰也說不準 但光跑動老費就和巔
Megan avatar
By Megan
at 2016-11-08T19:09
峰慢一大截了 其他為了應付體能下滑改變的作戰策略除了換大拍以外根本不符合現在網球趨勢 但他還是得這樣
Callum avatar
By Callum
at 2016-11-10T18:17
打 就知道他現在到底差顛峰期多少了
Megan avatar
By Megan
at 2016-11-12T17:25
忘了噓你的心得 就算再怎麼喜歡囧口 也不要張飛打岳飛看球球齡4年?
Iris avatar
By Iris
at 2016-11-14T16:33
最偉大的網球員甚至是最偉大的運動員都可以質疑 不容易
Linda avatar
By Linda
at 2016-11-16T15:42
新聞打新聞就好 加那些心得是多餘的
Elvira avatar
By Elvira
at 2016-11-18T14:50
看到結論讓我覺得浪費時間看這篇
Zora avatar
By Zora
at 2016-11-20T13:58
原po大概沒打過網球,不知道腳步到位和沒到位的差別
Zenobia avatar
By Zenobia
at 2016-11-22T13:06
納豆的時代,豆迷和費迷爭同年紀誰比較強
Mason avatar
By Mason
at 2016-11-24T12:15
囧口的時候,囧口迷還在和費迷爭同年誰比較強我覺得這已經說明一些事了啦
Ingrid avatar
By Ingrid
at 2016-11-26T11:23
歷史真的沒有如果 歷史的如果只存在另一個平行時空
Quanna avatar
By Quanna
at 2016-11-28T10:31
納豆冏口是同時代的,是要搞啥豆費冏費? 自己補完?
Isla avatar
By Isla
at 2016-11-30T09:39
以前費納正夯的時候那時認識囧口的人還不多 有陣子還當了
Jack avatar
By Jack
at 2016-12-02T08:48
不知道多久的萬年老三 還有豆比囧還早兩年左右轉職業
Edwina avatar
By Edwina
at 2016-12-04T07:56
雖然一般還是都當他們是同輩的 畢竟年齡相近
Mason avatar
By Mason
at 2016-12-06T07:04
以前輸更慘?你米高福克斯?
Candice avatar
By Candice
at 2016-12-08T06:13
推翻譯 但後面真是神邏輯....
Xanthe avatar
By Xanthe
at 2016-12-10T05:21
費因為年紀大體力腳步專注力跟不上 只好靠神技巧稍微補足
Dinah avatar
By Dinah
at 2016-12-12T04:29
所以還能維持在big4 卻被解讀成年輕時不如老?
Isla avatar
By Isla
at 2016-12-14T03:37
看到最後一段很無言

費德勒的弟弟??

David avatar
By David
at 2015-07-14T14:47
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名將們對再奪大滿貫的兩派說法(綜合報導)

Hardy avatar
By Hardy
at 2015-07-14T12:46
Roger Federer WILL win Wimbledon again, insists his coach Stefan Edberg 費德勒教練艾柏格:費德勒將會再奪溫布頓冠軍 新聞出處:http://tinyurl.com/pzkfg9q Despite the desperate urgin ...

托米奇因對官員不尊 被踢出澳大利亞戴盃隊

Hardy avatar
By Hardy
at 2015-07-14T11:03
其實這件事還有兩個有趣的小事件,我覺得也是有關聯的 1. 6/30 澳大利亞游泳名宿77歲的Dawn Fraser嗆 Kyrgios跟Tomic: and#34;they should be setting a better example for the younger generation ...

托米奇因對官員不尊 被踢出澳大利亞戴盃隊

Dinah avatar
By Dinah
at 2015-07-14T10:15
ptt版上喬費之爭正熱,但依我之見,怎麼看都比不上近期澳洲網壇有趣。 不知是幸或不幸,澳洲近年新秀輩出,但卻常常很有「個性」。 先是出了一個場外爭議頻傳的Tomic,新星Kyrgios則更進一步,在「場上」屢掀風波。 Kyrgios今年溫網除了被官方因出言不遜罰款,網路上更瘋傳他在與Gasque ...

四天王獨霸… 新秀沒半個影

Lydia avatar
By Lydia
at 2015-07-14T03:59
http://tinyurl.com/pv5gfjz 四天王獨霸… 新秀沒半個影 2015-07-14 02:07:18 聯合報 記者彭薇霓/綜合外電報導 2015溫布頓網球賽再度由「4大天王」對決,約克維奇4盤扳倒費德勒、完成衛冕大業。兩 強爭鬥上演經典之戰,其背後暴露出的意義,是男子世界網壇後繼無人 ...