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※ 引述《Subaru5566 (愛上速霸路)》之銘言:
: 其實他有學長Austin Reaves可以借鏡。
: AR本來也是預計二輪被選中,儘管去試訓,也通知那些球隊別選他,想去湖人。
: 去年湖人季初直接把雙項撤回,給AR兩年正式合約,我也是有點嚇到,
: 事後諸葛來看,AR這落選仔可真香。
這段本來是寫「拒絕別隊試訓」明顯在造謠,
被推文糾正之後改成「儘管去試訓,也通知那些球隊別選他」,仍然是造謠。
Austin Reaves試訓影片與文章:
https://youtu.be/uVJckRaKWXA 溜馬
https://tinyurl.com/ycyfnv3x 七六人
https://tinyurl.com/4xcxnff3 馬刺
https://tinyurl.com/2p97pfpv 塞爾蒂克
哪有人去試訓然後叫別人不要選他?去試心酸的?
Subaru5566被糾正之後,還貼了一篇SI的文章,看不懂內容自己斷章取義:
修文後的Subaru5566這樣說
: AR也還是有跟別的球隊講,他不會去報道
https://tinyurl.com/w2c8zwhf
但這篇文章沒有任何一句話提到「拒絕報到」(Subaru5566連中文字都打錯)
只是他想讓自己跟其他球隊簽下非保障合約而已。
連修文都可以繼續造謠,真的是不發一篇回覆讓板主看到都不行。
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以上是針對造謠部份,接下來寫點跟選秀有關的。
NBA首輪有制式保障合約2+2。
但次輪完全沒有任何保障,連底薪都沒有,連雙向合約都沒有。
在二輪被選到的球員,沒有任何合約上的保障。
而且被選到的球員,會被限制在只能跟「選他的那一隊」談合約。
如果「母隊」(可以這樣稱呼吧)要他去歐洲打球或是去發展聯盟,也只能接受。
其他29隊沒有權利對這位「二輪被選球員」開出NBA合約。
這是一件很麻煩的事,所以經紀公司學到了一招:
「二輪時先詢問球隊簽約態度,如果不願意給保障,寧可落選後去跟另外29隊談」
如果有首輪當然就被選,保障約2+2耶。
但在毫無保障的二輪,就得考慮到球隊的態度,會不會選完反而機會更少。
二輪前段也許還可能談得到1+1保障合約,二輪中後段?球隊連保障約都不太願意開。
在六年前的2016年,就有專欄文章分析過這件事還找球員來訪問。
https://reurl.cc/pW84Gl
Sam Vecenie在2016年7月寫的。
副標題就寫明了:
a player to go undrafted than to be selected in the back half of the NBA
draft's second round—what some agents have started calling the "dead zone."
「球員寧可落選也不要在二輪後段被選中,經紀人稱那是"死亡之區"」
現在薪資平均20M的Fred VanVleet(2016選秀,落選),就講到很多球隊選了二輪:
'We're going to put you in the D-League for three to four years'
'We're going to put you overseas.'
「我們打算把你放在發展聯盟打個三四年」「我們打算把你放在海外」
所以他寧可落選,可以跟每一隊談,最後他選了暴龍,一開始只有0.05M的保障。
然後打出身價,先拿到底薪合約,現在是一張四年85M的合約。
Yogi Ferrell講的更絕(選秀時23歲)。
I didn't want to hear my name called, and then have them send me overseas
or straight to the D-League.
「...我才不想聽到我的名字被叫到(二輪),然後他們送我去海外或發展聯盟」
一度打出身價的Yogi Ferrell,跟國王簽過一張2年6.2M合約,不過後來又失業了。
對於大齡新秀(通常是23↑)來說,他們所剩的時間不多,
如果還被放到海外或發展聯盟,大概就沒有機會上NBA了。
因為每年都有跟海一樣多的新秀要擠進NBA的窄門,而每隊只有15個格子而已。
所以他們選擇故意落選,再挑一個可能有機會的球隊,
就算失敗,大不了再去其他球隊試而已,不會被綁在一支球隊無法嘗試各種可能。
二輪約沒有保障,這件事讓球員與經紀公司必須要自己找出自救辦法。
Luguentz Dort,這位落選加入雷霆的球員,也是「故意落選」的一個例子。
他原本預估自己會在一輪末被選中,棄學挑戰NBA,
但當這件事沒有發生,經紀公司就操作他故意落選。
先以雙向合約打了一季,36場出賽,6.8分2.3籃板,
然後轉成四年底薪合約,其中1年非保障,1年部份保障。
如果Dort他當時二輪被選走,現在可能還在土耳其打球也說不定。
另外也是這種操作的,還有Naz Reid這位球員,也是拿到四年底薪的NBA童工合約。
回到AR(Austin Reaves)身上,
當他掉到二輪後,除了活塞之外,也有支球隊對他表達過興趣。
但當時那支球隊的名單已經有14張保障合約,選了他也是放發展聯盟或海外。
那支球隊的名單,滿滿的合約:
https://i.imgur.com/TAirGwU.jpg
所以AR他選擇落選,然後去湖人拿雙向合約試機會,跟他一起去試的是Joel Ayayi。
後來因訓練營表現出色,湖人才把AR轉成底薪合約,第一年部份保障,第二年非保障,
Ayayi則被裁掉,後來去巫師拿雙向合約。
重點:在選秀會當下,AR是沒有把握自己能拿到湖人底薪的,他是後來自己爭取到的。
這些球員不會是大明星,很多能擠到輪替就不錯。
像Fred VanVleet可以打進明星賽的真的是鳳毛麟角的鳳毛麟角。
所以也沒什麼人會去討論他們,但從他們身上可以看到NBA許多制度上的問題。
「沒有任何保障合約的二輪選秀」,這讓球員跟經紀公司必須自己想辦法。
當然一定有人會問「故意落選」是婉拒不願意開出較好合約的球隊選他,
但如果球隊硬選會怎樣?
剛好去年選秀就有個例子,
二輪第53順位,七六人選了Charles Bassey,本來是要故意落選的(去哪隊不知道)。
結果合約談不攏,Bassey錯過夏季聯盟,甚至七八九月都一直沒有簽約,
直到最後訓練營開始前的九月底才搞定:
三年底薪,第三年非保障、第二年部份保障(0.07M),
事實上由於受保障的第一年0.93M,就是「三年合約但只保障1.0M」這樣。
而今年Charles Bassey在有限的時間內也表現不太好,
如果夏天沒打出好表現應該就要變浪人了吧。
(至今出賽23場,7.3分鐘,得3分不到3籃板)
大概是這樣,一點回覆。
談一談不太被人關注的落選秀與二輪的一些事。
PS.
這篇標題要不要改掉?畢竟內文跟Bronny無關了。
先保留這個標題是讓板主方便看到,才好處理造謠言論。
--
: 其實他有學長Austin Reaves可以借鏡。
: AR本來也是預計二輪被選中,儘管去試訓,也通知那些球隊別選他,想去湖人。
: 去年湖人季初直接把雙項撤回,給AR兩年正式合約,我也是有點嚇到,
: 事後諸葛來看,AR這落選仔可真香。
這段本來是寫「拒絕別隊試訓」明顯在造謠,
被推文糾正之後改成「儘管去試訓,也通知那些球隊別選他」,仍然是造謠。
Austin Reaves試訓影片與文章:
https://youtu.be/uVJckRaKWXA 溜馬
https://tinyurl.com/4xcxnff3 馬刺
https://tinyurl.com/2p97pfpv 塞爾蒂克
哪有人去試訓然後叫別人不要選他?去試心酸的?
Subaru5566被糾正之後,還貼了一篇SI的文章,看不懂內容自己斷章取義:
修文後的Subaru5566這樣說
: AR也還是有跟別的球隊講,他不會去報道
https://tinyurl.com/w2c8zwhf
但這篇文章沒有任何一句話提到「拒絕報到」(Subaru5566連中文字都打錯)
只是他想讓自己跟其他球隊簽下非保障合約而已。
連修文都可以繼續造謠,真的是不發一篇回覆讓板主看到都不行。
=====
以上是針對造謠部份,接下來寫點跟選秀有關的。
NBA首輪有制式保障合約2+2。
但次輪完全沒有任何保障,連底薪都沒有,連雙向合約都沒有。
在二輪被選到的球員,沒有任何合約上的保障。
而且被選到的球員,會被限制在只能跟「選他的那一隊」談合約。
如果「母隊」(可以這樣稱呼吧)要他去歐洲打球或是去發展聯盟,也只能接受。
其他29隊沒有權利對這位「二輪被選球員」開出NBA合約。
這是一件很麻煩的事,所以經紀公司學到了一招:
「二輪時先詢問球隊簽約態度,如果不願意給保障,寧可落選後去跟另外29隊談」
如果有首輪當然就被選,保障約2+2耶。
但在毫無保障的二輪,就得考慮到球隊的態度,會不會選完反而機會更少。
二輪前段也許還可能談得到1+1保障合約,二輪中後段?球隊連保障約都不太願意開。
在六年前的2016年,就有專欄文章分析過這件事還找球員來訪問。
https://reurl.cc/pW84Gl
Sam Vecenie在2016年7月寫的。
副標題就寫明了:
a player to go undrafted than to be selected in the back half of the NBA
draft's second round—what some agents have started calling the "dead zone."
「球員寧可落選也不要在二輪後段被選中,經紀人稱那是"死亡之區"」
現在薪資平均20M的Fred VanVleet(2016選秀,落選),就講到很多球隊選了二輪:
'We're going to put you in the D-League for three to four years'
'We're going to put you overseas.'
「我們打算把你放在發展聯盟打個三四年」「我們打算把你放在海外」
所以他寧可落選,可以跟每一隊談,最後他選了暴龍,一開始只有0.05M的保障。
然後打出身價,先拿到底薪合約,現在是一張四年85M的合約。
Yogi Ferrell講的更絕(選秀時23歲)。
I didn't want to hear my name called, and then have them send me overseas
or straight to the D-League.
「...我才不想聽到我的名字被叫到(二輪),然後他們送我去海外或發展聯盟」
一度打出身價的Yogi Ferrell,跟國王簽過一張2年6.2M合約,不過後來又失業了。
對於大齡新秀(通常是23↑)來說,他們所剩的時間不多,
如果還被放到海外或發展聯盟,大概就沒有機會上NBA了。
因為每年都有跟海一樣多的新秀要擠進NBA的窄門,而每隊只有15個格子而已。
所以他們選擇故意落選,再挑一個可能有機會的球隊,
就算失敗,大不了再去其他球隊試而已,不會被綁在一支球隊無法嘗試各種可能。
二輪約沒有保障,這件事讓球員與經紀公司必須要自己找出自救辦法。
Luguentz Dort,這位落選加入雷霆的球員,也是「故意落選」的一個例子。
他原本預估自己會在一輪末被選中,棄學挑戰NBA,
但當這件事沒有發生,經紀公司就操作他故意落選。
先以雙向合約打了一季,36場出賽,6.8分2.3籃板,
然後轉成四年底薪合約,其中1年非保障,1年部份保障。
如果Dort他當時二輪被選走,現在可能還在土耳其打球也說不定。
另外也是這種操作的,還有Naz Reid這位球員,也是拿到四年底薪的NBA童工合約。
回到AR(Austin Reaves)身上,
當他掉到二輪後,除了活塞之外,也有支球隊對他表達過興趣。
但當時那支球隊的名單已經有14張保障合約,選了他也是放發展聯盟或海外。
那支球隊的名單,滿滿的合約:
https://i.imgur.com/TAirGwU.jpg

所以AR他選擇落選,然後去湖人拿雙向合約試機會,跟他一起去試的是Joel Ayayi。
後來因訓練營表現出色,湖人才把AR轉成底薪合約,第一年部份保障,第二年非保障,
Ayayi則被裁掉,後來去巫師拿雙向合約。
重點:在選秀會當下,AR是沒有把握自己能拿到湖人底薪的,他是後來自己爭取到的。
這些球員不會是大明星,很多能擠到輪替就不錯。
像Fred VanVleet可以打進明星賽的真的是鳳毛麟角的鳳毛麟角。
所以也沒什麼人會去討論他們,但從他們身上可以看到NBA許多制度上的問題。
「沒有任何保障合約的二輪選秀」,這讓球員跟經紀公司必須自己想辦法。
當然一定有人會問「故意落選」是婉拒不願意開出較好合約的球隊選他,
但如果球隊硬選會怎樣?
剛好去年選秀就有個例子,
二輪第53順位,七六人選了Charles Bassey,本來是要故意落選的(去哪隊不知道)。
結果合約談不攏,Bassey錯過夏季聯盟,甚至七八九月都一直沒有簽約,
直到最後訓練營開始前的九月底才搞定:
三年底薪,第三年非保障、第二年部份保障(0.07M),
事實上由於受保障的第一年0.93M,就是「三年合約但只保障1.0M」這樣。
而今年Charles Bassey在有限的時間內也表現不太好,
如果夏天沒打出好表現應該就要變浪人了吧。
(至今出賽23場,7.3分鐘,得3分不到3籃板)
大概是這樣,一點回覆。
談一談不太被人關注的落選秀與二輪的一些事。
PS.
這篇標題要不要改掉?畢竟內文跟Bronny無關了。
先保留這個標題是讓板主方便看到,才好處理造謠言論。
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