Bay & Upton & Ellsbury & LaRoche - 美國職棒

By Isla
at 2012-11-08T22:45
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※ 引述《JacqueJones (她依然很美)》之銘言:
: https://twitter.com/bradfo/status/266270823717953539
: According to source Bay would be very interested in Red Sox if Red Sox
: interested. Despite controversy at end would welcome return.
: http://tinyurl.com/ag33gr2
: Red Sox expected to be in the mix in OF Justin Upton trade talks.
: https://twitter.com/nickpiecoro/status/266359890690330624
: Towers said that won't keep him from talking with those teams. In fact, he
: said he's already talked about Upton with one of those four.
: 紅襪是NTC四隊裡的其中之一
: https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/266275890315530240
: #redsox won't shop ellsbury. they'd listen, but as 1 rival official noted,
: "they already need 2 OFs."
: http://tinyurl.com/ah75xw6
: LaRoche likely to nix qualifying offer.
: The Red Sox and Rangers are pursuing free agent Adam LaRoche.
一聽到Upton上交易市場的消息,大家很High,不知是不是搞錯First Name..
而我第一反應就是不要追比較好,為何呢? 因為他代價高,成績卻不穩
Upton頂著狀元郎光環,從小聯盟開始,大家期盼他是另一個小葛
問題,他是嗎? 我們來看看他過去五年的數據(第一年只打43 數據也不好 我不列)
.BA .OBP .SLG OPS+ WAR
2008 .250/.353/.463 107 0.7
2009 .300/.366/.532 129 3.8
2010 .273/.356/.442 110 1.4
2011 .289/.369/.529 141 5.7
2012 .280/.355/.430 107 2.1
25歲能有這樣成績很棒,但是是跟小葛或胖卡布同等級的嗎? 很明顯不是
甚至次一點的A Gon不論OPS跟WAR表現都比Upton優秀且穩定
(懶得貼胖卡跟A GON數據,但數據大家也應該有個底)
重點來了,他!年!輕! 確實,才25歲有再長成的機會
可是大家都忽略一點,他已經在MLB打6年了,相較過去的天才打者
不論是小葛 普神 BB爺 A ROD 胖卡幾乎都在上MLB第二年就適應
最晚第三年開始大爆發且成績穩定,而Upton雖然09年 11年打得不錯
但跟以上天才比,明顯差一截,而且起伏太大,10年 12年打得只比平均
水平好一等級而已
Upton當然有可能更進步,畢竟才25歲,但我相信他變成胖卡等人的機率已經漸漸降低
且跟A Gon比的話,A Gon 22歲上MLB,24歲打出來,相較Upton,A Gon雖然年紀有劣勢
但A Gon穩定且平均OPS+來到136(第一個完整球季以後OPS+都大於125,今年狀況較差除外)
論價值,一個年輕一個成績好又穩定,兩人各有優勢,但要我選的話
穩定且打出成績的A Gon顯然是比較好的選擇,即使當時A Gon合約只剩一年
故我姑且做個結論,論價值
小葛胖卡等人,大於 A Gon,大於或等於 Upton
那如果要交易Upton,丟多少新秀值得呢??
我們先來看看當年交易胖卡,老虎付出多少
當年D Trian加胖卡的代價是 2個A級新秀,A米跟Maybin(雜魚我不列)
雖然兩個事後沒打出期待的身手,但他們當時都是前20名的潛力新秀
接下來稍次一等的A Gon呢? Kelly跟Rizzo加一名C咖腿哥
Kelly當時大約是排行30左右的新秀,Rizzo大約是70~80左右
(雖然事後Rizzo到教士評價上升)
故50名左右的Allen Webster,80左右的Bryce Brentz,
加上接近百大但有潛力的Garin Cecchini,其實也不算過分
鍵盤GM Alex頂多含淚出到三選二配上JBJ
真的要3B中的兩個,就給我Kate upton,從2013年搞到2015年合約結束我才肯
--
輕搖滾經典
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0298yfQ5B0 Born Free
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iul4SBlHIf8 Don't Look Back in Anger
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeNzXxOw_kY Seeing Red
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtrEN-YKLBM Under Pressure
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: https://twitter.com/bradfo/status/266270823717953539
: According to source Bay would be very interested in Red Sox if Red Sox
: interested. Despite controversy at end would welcome return.
: http://tinyurl.com/ag33gr2
: Red Sox expected to be in the mix in OF Justin Upton trade talks.
: https://twitter.com/nickpiecoro/status/266359890690330624
: Towers said that won't keep him from talking with those teams. In fact, he
: said he's already talked about Upton with one of those four.
: 紅襪是NTC四隊裡的其中之一
: https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/266275890315530240
: #redsox won't shop ellsbury. they'd listen, but as 1 rival official noted,
: "they already need 2 OFs."
: http://tinyurl.com/ah75xw6
: LaRoche likely to nix qualifying offer.
: The Red Sox and Rangers are pursuing free agent Adam LaRoche.
一聽到Upton上交易市場的消息,大家很High,不知是不是搞錯First Name..
而我第一反應就是不要追比較好,為何呢? 因為他代價高,成績卻不穩
Upton頂著狀元郎光環,從小聯盟開始,大家期盼他是另一個小葛
問題,他是嗎? 我們來看看他過去五年的數據(第一年只打43 數據也不好 我不列)
.BA .OBP .SLG OPS+ WAR
2008 .250/.353/.463 107 0.7
2009 .300/.366/.532 129 3.8
2010 .273/.356/.442 110 1.4
2011 .289/.369/.529 141 5.7
2012 .280/.355/.430 107 2.1
25歲能有這樣成績很棒,但是是跟小葛或胖卡布同等級的嗎? 很明顯不是
甚至次一點的A Gon不論OPS跟WAR表現都比Upton優秀且穩定
(懶得貼胖卡跟A GON數據,但數據大家也應該有個底)
重點來了,他!年!輕! 確實,才25歲有再長成的機會
可是大家都忽略一點,他已經在MLB打6年了,相較過去的天才打者
不論是小葛 普神 BB爺 A ROD 胖卡幾乎都在上MLB第二年就適應
最晚第三年開始大爆發且成績穩定,而Upton雖然09年 11年打得不錯
但跟以上天才比,明顯差一截,而且起伏太大,10年 12年打得只比平均
水平好一等級而已
Upton當然有可能更進步,畢竟才25歲,但我相信他變成胖卡等人的機率已經漸漸降低
且跟A Gon比的話,A Gon 22歲上MLB,24歲打出來,相較Upton,A Gon雖然年紀有劣勢
但A Gon穩定且平均OPS+來到136(第一個完整球季以後OPS+都大於125,今年狀況較差除外)
論價值,一個年輕一個成績好又穩定,兩人各有優勢,但要我選的話
穩定且打出成績的A Gon顯然是比較好的選擇,即使當時A Gon合約只剩一年
故我姑且做個結論,論價值
小葛胖卡等人,大於 A Gon,大於或等於 Upton
那如果要交易Upton,丟多少新秀值得呢??
我們先來看看當年交易胖卡,老虎付出多少
當年D Trian加胖卡的代價是 2個A級新秀,A米跟Maybin(雜魚我不列)
雖然兩個事後沒打出期待的身手,但他們當時都是前20名的潛力新秀
接下來稍次一等的A Gon呢? Kelly跟Rizzo加一名C咖腿哥
Kelly當時大約是排行30左右的新秀,Rizzo大約是70~80左右
(雖然事後Rizzo到教士評價上升)
故50名左右的Allen Webster,80左右的Bryce Brentz,
加上接近百大但有潛力的Garin Cecchini,其實也不算過分
鍵盤GM Alex頂多含淚出到三選二配上JBJ
真的要3B中的兩個,就給我Kate upton,從2013年搞到2015年合約結束我才肯
--
輕搖滾經典
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0298yfQ5B0 Born Free
--
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