體操一日迷心得 - 奧運,世大運,亞運討論

By Kama
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先恭喜唐嘉鴻選手個人全能第七!
也祝福李智凱選手8/1的個人單項鞍馬可以獲得好成績~
---
剛剛體操的直播文中,感覺很多人不懂賽事規則/流程
這邊用文字解說一下,因為我也不是專業的,
目前的知識都是這幾年聽講評&看PTT推文得知,
如果有錯誤請幫我推文指正,我會盡快修改^^
一、賽程
男子競技體操總共有6項
地板、鞍馬、吊環、跳馬、雙槓、單槓
女子競技體操有4項
跳馬、高低槓、平衡木、地板
比賽流程
1.資格賽(可團體&可單項參賽)
團體4個人都上去比,每個項目取前3高的成績,最後比總分前8組晉級->團體全能決賽
個人全能則是比完(男子6項/女子4項),個人總分前24名->個人全能決賽
單項則是比完以後,單項分數取前8->個人單項決賽
但個人全能/單項部分,同一個國家只能取2名(我忘記個人參賽是否另外算)
例:美國女子體操單項有三人都符合資格,但是一國只能派兩個,所以只會取前2,
該項第9名就能遞補
2.團體全能決賽
跟資格賽不同的是,一樣是4人一隊,但每項只能派3個人上去比,
每個項目可以不同人,要由教練事前決定出賽名單
二、評分方式
難度分+實施分-中性扣分=得分
---
難度分 又名D分(Difficulty)、A分
以ABCDEFG分級,剛剛講評是說男子目前最高到I級,女子講評說最高有到J級
A級一個動作就是0.1分、B級0.2、C級0.3以此類推
https://imgur.com/qGnV4dj
例:這是我國選手丁華恬自創動作,難度D級,做完即可得0.4分
每個項目有各自要求 幾組動作&指定類別動作(會有數個可以自選)
另外有些動作連著做會有連接加分,但如果兩個動作中間停太久,可能被判定沒連接
同個動作做兩次不會x2,只會承認其中一次,連接加分也有上限
例:今天選手上去做了A+B+C+D動作,難度分就是0.1+0.2+0.3+0.4=1分
---
實施分 又名E分(Execution)、B分
從滿分10分開始扣,任何動作技術瑕疵、不穩定會有對應的扣分機制
動作瑕疵諸如:腳沒打直、手臂有彎、高度不夠、腳有交纏、落地穩定度等等
實施分裁判(E組裁判)總共會有5個人,互相看不到對方的打分,
選手比完後分數交出去,會扣掉最高&最低分,剩下3個裁判的分數取平均值
雖然仍然無法完全避免主觀評分,但已經是相對客觀的評分方式了
---
中性扣分(懲罰扣分)
這是整體行為扣分,扣在總分上,這些扣分都是客觀因素
例:開始/結束前沒示意裁判、跳馬綠燈前提早跑、出界、沒做滿指定數量的動作
出界的部分:觸到界外算一次,單腳跨出去扣一次0.1、縮回來又出去再-0.1
雙腳同時出界-0.3,地板多套動作可以一直累扣
---
例1:https://imgur.com/dEghD4d
今天日本選手跳馬單腳出界,很多人問為何總分還是很高?
因為他的難度動作有做完且被承認,所以難度分&實施分都有拿到
只有被額外中性扣分-0.1,所以整體分數依然很高
https://imgur.com/bv7Ci8i
估狗來的實施分落地扣分標準 小-0.1/中-0.3/大-0.5/非常大-1或更多
我看愛爾達的,沒看到他的表現
修改:剛剛看到推特截圖,因為被上了污辱性文字我就不轉貼了
橋本選手落地後,一腳在界內、一腳劈開來出界
所以實施分"跨一大步"-0.3、中性分"單腳出界"-0.1
假設他沒出界+落地超穩的話,會是5.6+9.5=15.1
---
例2:https://imgur.com/YP3jYKa
為何資格賽唐嘉鴻選手單槓手沒抓到,分數比掉槓的少?
因為他的失誤,導致評審認定他的直體特卡切夫180難度降低&實施分大扣
資格賽是5.8,講評預估他資格賽成套難度,原先設定應該在6.0~6.2之間
---
補充:體操動作難度看點
難度就算不知道的話,基本上全身離開器械難度就比較高
例:單/雙槓雙手放掉、平衡木跳起來、地板翻騰
離開器械後正面抓回去>比較簡單;背面盲抓回去>比較難,
正握>較簡單;正反握>較難
跳出去以後違反慣性轉身>比較難;順向>比較簡單
例:最簡單的例子就丁華恬跳,那個難度有D算中高分動作
https://imgur.com/qGnV4dj
*韻律體操我近幾年才開始看,難度大致上也是
器械拋出去>留在手上;丟出去後盲抓>看著抓;用身體接>用手接
團體情況丟給隊友>丟給自己;同時拋>個別拋
---
其他推文常見問題QA
Q:怎樣才可拿牌? 怎樣算高分? 預賽要幾分才能晉級?
A:決賽分數比人高就可以拿牌,奧運競技體操大致得分低中高區間在13-14-15
資格賽要進前8名,分數大約至少要14分左右
單項比賽還會拉高難度,奪牌前段班可能會落在15+
Q:唐今天單槓如果拿去比單項可以拿銀牌?
A:不一定,單項比賽選手通常還會再提升難度,今天是全能賽大家比較求穩
Q:為什麼電視轉播沒轉台灣隊?
A:奧運有分綜合台跟單項固定鏡位,全能因為同時多項目比賽,
綜合台通常都CUE單項很強的選手、有希望爭奪獎牌的選手
愛爾達這次花錢買了台灣專屬鏡位,從頭到尾都跟著中華隊
之後只剩下單項決賽,同時只會有一種在比,就不會有這個問題了
Q:體操滿分多少?
A:現行的評分制度沒有滿分,全看選手的難度分,做到100%完美會得到實施分10分
改現行制度就是為了增加可看性,為了高分,選手就會選擇衝高難度,觀眾才能看
到更多更酷炫的高難度技巧
大致上是這個樣子,希望可以對入門體操迷有點幫助
--
剛剛在查資料時,發現台灣有youtuber是大專運動會裁判,有講解各類動作&評分方式
https://youtu.be/j1sp5gV8JWY 第一集 地板&鞍馬
https://youtu.be/Zo-vR4AyhC8 第二集 跳馬&吊環
https://youtu.be/m1buQ3pu_As 第三集 雙槓
https://youtu.be/l1XIbQFrpQM 第四集 單槓
想了解更細項可以看這邊~我剛剛看了第一集覺得配上影片講解得很清楚
--
也祝福李智凱選手8/1的個人單項鞍馬可以獲得好成績~
---
剛剛體操的直播文中,感覺很多人不懂賽事規則/流程
這邊用文字解說一下,因為我也不是專業的,
目前的知識都是這幾年聽講評&看PTT推文得知,
如果有錯誤請幫我推文指正,我會盡快修改^^
一、賽程
男子競技體操總共有6項
地板、鞍馬、吊環、跳馬、雙槓、單槓
女子競技體操有4項
跳馬、高低槓、平衡木、地板
比賽流程
1.資格賽(可團體&可單項參賽)
團體4個人都上去比,每個項目取前3高的成績,最後比總分前8組晉級->團體全能決賽
個人全能則是比完(男子6項/女子4項),個人總分前24名->個人全能決賽
單項則是比完以後,單項分數取前8->個人單項決賽
但個人全能/單項部分,同一個國家只能取2名(我忘記個人參賽是否另外算)
例:美國女子體操單項有三人都符合資格,但是一國只能派兩個,所以只會取前2,
該項第9名就能遞補
2.團體全能決賽
跟資格賽不同的是,一樣是4人一隊,但每項只能派3個人上去比,
每個項目可以不同人,要由教練事前決定出賽名單
二、評分方式
難度分+實施分-中性扣分=得分
---
難度分 又名D分(Difficulty)、A分
以ABCDEFG分級,剛剛講評是說男子目前最高到I級,女子講評說最高有到J級
A級一個動作就是0.1分、B級0.2、C級0.3以此類推
https://imgur.com/qGnV4dj
例:這是我國選手丁華恬自創動作,難度D級,做完即可得0.4分
每個項目有各自要求 幾組動作&指定類別動作(會有數個可以自選)
另外有些動作連著做會有連接加分,但如果兩個動作中間停太久,可能被判定沒連接
同個動作做兩次不會x2,只會承認其中一次,連接加分也有上限
例:今天選手上去做了A+B+C+D動作,難度分就是0.1+0.2+0.3+0.4=1分
---
實施分 又名E分(Execution)、B分
從滿分10分開始扣,任何動作技術瑕疵、不穩定會有對應的扣分機制
動作瑕疵諸如:腳沒打直、手臂有彎、高度不夠、腳有交纏、落地穩定度等等
實施分裁判(E組裁判)總共會有5個人,互相看不到對方的打分,
選手比完後分數交出去,會扣掉最高&最低分,剩下3個裁判的分數取平均值
雖然仍然無法完全避免主觀評分,但已經是相對客觀的評分方式了
---
中性扣分(懲罰扣分)
這是整體行為扣分,扣在總分上,這些扣分都是客觀因素
例:開始/結束前沒示意裁判、跳馬綠燈前提早跑、出界、沒做滿指定數量的動作
出界的部分:觸到界外算一次,單腳跨出去扣一次0.1、縮回來又出去再-0.1
雙腳同時出界-0.3,地板多套動作可以一直累扣
---
例1:https://imgur.com/dEghD4d
今天日本選手跳馬單腳出界,很多人問為何總分還是很高?
因為他的難度動作有做完且被承認,所以難度分&實施分都有拿到
只有被額外中性扣分-0.1,所以整體分數依然很高
https://imgur.com/bv7Ci8i
估狗來的實施分落地扣分標準 小-0.1/中-0.3/大-0.5/非常大-1或更多
我看愛爾達的,沒看到他的表現
修改:剛剛看到推特截圖,因為被上了污辱性文字我就不轉貼了
橋本選手落地後,一腳在界內、一腳劈開來出界
所以實施分"跨一大步"-0.3、中性分"單腳出界"-0.1
假設他沒出界+落地超穩的話,會是5.6+9.5=15.1
---
例2:https://imgur.com/YP3jYKa
為何資格賽唐嘉鴻選手單槓手沒抓到,分數比掉槓的少?
因為他的失誤,導致評審認定他的直體特卡切夫180難度降低&實施分大扣
資格賽是5.8,講評預估他資格賽成套難度,原先設定應該在6.0~6.2之間
---
補充:體操動作難度看點
難度就算不知道的話,基本上全身離開器械難度就比較高
例:單/雙槓雙手放掉、平衡木跳起來、地板翻騰
離開器械後正面抓回去>比較簡單;背面盲抓回去>比較難,
正握>較簡單;正反握>較難
跳出去以後違反慣性轉身>比較難;順向>比較簡單
例:最簡單的例子就丁華恬跳,那個難度有D算中高分動作
https://imgur.com/qGnV4dj
*韻律體操我近幾年才開始看,難度大致上也是
器械拋出去>留在手上;丟出去後盲抓>看著抓;用身體接>用手接
團體情況丟給隊友>丟給自己;同時拋>個別拋
---
其他推文常見問題QA
Q:怎樣才可拿牌? 怎樣算高分? 預賽要幾分才能晉級?
A:決賽分數比人高就可以拿牌,奧運競技體操大致得分低中高區間在13-14-15
資格賽要進前8名,分數大約至少要14分左右
單項比賽還會拉高難度,奪牌前段班可能會落在15+
Q:唐今天單槓如果拿去比單項可以拿銀牌?
A:不一定,單項比賽選手通常還會再提升難度,今天是全能賽大家比較求穩
Q:為什麼電視轉播沒轉台灣隊?
A:奧運有分綜合台跟單項固定鏡位,全能因為同時多項目比賽,
綜合台通常都CUE單項很強的選手、有希望爭奪獎牌的選手
愛爾達這次花錢買了台灣專屬鏡位,從頭到尾都跟著中華隊
之後只剩下單項決賽,同時只會有一種在比,就不會有這個問題了
Q:體操滿分多少?
A:現行的評分制度沒有滿分,全看選手的難度分,做到100%完美會得到實施分10分
改現行制度就是為了增加可看性,為了高分,選手就會選擇衝高難度,觀眾才能看
到更多更酷炫的高難度技巧
大致上是這個樣子,希望可以對入門體操迷有點幫助
--
剛剛在查資料時,發現台灣有youtuber是大專運動會裁判,有講解各類動作&評分方式
https://youtu.be/j1sp5gV8JWY 第一集 地板&鞍馬
想了解更細項可以看這邊~我剛剛看了第一集覺得配上影片講解得很清楚
--
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