遭謝淑薇點名 歐善元:做好該做本分 - 網球 Tennis

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看到版大的文章,對於幾個想法不是很能理解
所以提出來討論一下
首先你的結論我就不大明白,你說
: 結論
: 詹家不要這麼明目張膽吃資源
: 把自己的專屬陪打變成國家隊陪打
: 謝淑薇不要這麼激動 儘量對事不對人
: 這次事件應該就不會發生了
問題是如果詹家不明目張膽吃資源,
謝淑薇根本沒有說話的空間。
這件事源頭只有一個,就是詹家與網協。
這種發生爭執雙方各打一大板的說法,
表面上理性,細想根本不合理。
整起事件的根源,或者說歷來詹謝爭議的根源,
不就是詹家霸佔資源?網協處理不公嗎?
不去檢討事情源頭,反過來怪謝淑薇不夠圓滑,
不大對勁吧?
謝淑薇不會做人、話術不高明、不懂怎麼塑造形象,
吃虧的是他自己,惡果是他自己承受,
因此只要他自己高興,旁人管不著。
但詹家霸佔資源,網協制度不公,影響的是所有網球選手。
就算詹謝兩家都有問題,兩邊相比,
一個問題是公領域,一個問題是私領域,
拿來相提並論,甚至加以詮釋成互為因果,
我不能認同。
※ 引述《ndsl02 (P1XeR)》之銘言:
: 大家好 關於歐善元這位選手
: 這邊可以客觀的幫各位介紹一下
: 學經歷
: 首先他目前剛從國立體育大學畢業
: 之前高中是在我的家鄉彰化就讀大慶商工
: 成績我就不贅述 國內獎牌拿很多就對了
: 是扎扎實實的網球專長的選手
: 球技
: 雖然我沒跟他打過
: 但至少也親眼看他打球無數次了
: 是非常紮實的底線球員
: 抽球能力是國內大專甲組一流
: 想要在抽球這個項目贏過他至少要職業水準
: 可惜礙於身材限制 身高目測168或以下
: 因此在職業的世界 發球非常沒有優勢
: 再加上戰術比較單一 轉職業有困難
: 個性與人品
: 我這邊可以給絕對客觀的事實 沒有誇大與袒護
: 在練球的態度方面 綜觀國內青少年大專選手
: 絕對沒幾個比他好 真的是再怎麼無腦的訓練
: 他也會完成給教練看
: 因為他就是實實在在的老實人
: 鐵杵磨成繡花針、皇天不負苦心人
: 絕對是他這次去奧運最好的寫照
這邊你提到歐陪打的經歷,提到他的個性與態度。
我覺得也完全放錯重點。
因為沒有人說他是壞人,重點是:陪打怎麼遴選的?
: 當詹家陪打(這部分不確定 傳聞居多)
: 當初怎麼開始陪打的我了解的不多
: 不過各位還是要清楚 好的運動員通常個性都不好
: 這也是為什麼K Y說網球球員不是big3
: 通常比賽成績好的人都會在個性上有一些瑕疵
: 因此歐善元在陪打的過程中據說是非常艱困
: 不能打太快也不能打太旋 要按照詹家姐妹的要求
: 把球乖乖控好給他們打
: 當然這也是歐善元的價值所在
: 他面對網球上的要求都能盡力做到
: 因此不是只有他有能力當陪打 是他的個性很好
: 可以忍受一些不好的情緒
你這邊提到歐忍受詹家姊妹的情緒,我更是無法理解。
你之前提到歐能夠參加奧運,是皇天不負苦心人
難道歐的苦心,就在於能忍受詹家姊妹的情緒嗎?
難道忍受詹家姊妹的情緒,是此次陪打員的遴選標準嗎?
若是如此,整個陪打員的遴選,就是以詹家意見為意見,
那就證實了網協制度因人設事,不值得抗議嗎?
: 因此謝淑薇Po文底下
: 很多網球界的教練為歐善元求情 這是很合理的
: 因為他就是一個很認真練球的人 沒有要蹭的意思
: 謝淑薇不滿的點
: 根據我的介紹可以發現
: 歐善元本來就是一個詹家專屬的陪打
: 以陪打來說是俗擱大碗
: 然而大滿貫冠軍等級的球員肯定覺得根本沒什麼
: 謝就是不滿為什麼詹家還可以再帶一位陪打過去
: 跟資歷沒有關係
: 因為若是國際有名的球員也不會去當陪打
: 更何況是當詹家的陪打…
這一整段完全邏輯混亂。
我就跳過了。
: 解套方式
: 若有三個名額
: 最好是可以找一個有實力、對網球有理解的人
: 擔任所有球員共同的總教練、防護員、陪打員
: 這樣就沒問題了
: 另外陪打員維持歐善元也沒有問題
: 雖比不上其他職業 但也夠和盧哥練球了
你提的解套方式,是我唯一同意的地方
今天網球隊的教練、陪打員本來就該替所有選手設想
但問題就是教練、陪打員都是為詹家量身打造,
這就是問題癥結。
: 個人心得
: 謝淑薇今天就是不滿詹家多一個名額
: 畢竟盧哥帶一個親哥哥 詹家帶一個爸爸
: 剩下應該給另一組女雙找個教練 結果變詹家陪打
: 但是今天女雙是超後面才知道有機會上場
: 因此當初沒有幫她們找教練也是合理的
女雙遞補,大家都很意外,網協自然也不可能會預知
但問題在於:網協在知道後也完全無作為,這才是惹人非議之處
: 結論
: 詹家不要這麼明目張膽吃資源
: 把自己的專屬陪打變成國家隊陪打
: 謝淑薇不要這麼激動 儘量對事不對人
: 這次事件應該就不會發生了
: -----
: Sent from JPTT on my iPhone
重申,你的結論我完全不同意。
謝淑薇針對歐的貼文,並未人身攻擊,不過就是問個資歷。
留言處有網友擦槍走火,這要算在謝的頭上嗎?
若是如此,有人對謝人身攻擊,也可以算在歐的頭上嗎?
謝是否明知故問,故意要鋪陳議題?
也許的確是如此,真相只有他自己知道,
但就事論事,他沒有攻擊歐,甚至呼籲網友不要攻擊歐。
從陪打員的經歷,去釐清奧運代表團的遴選資格,
我不認為有什麼問題。
認為歐受委屈的人,我反而才覺得是對人不對事。
因為從頭到尾,謝要討論的就是:制度問題。
制度問題跟歐能否鐵杵磨成繡花針,能否忍受詹家情緒,
一.點.關.係.都.沒.有。
--
所以提出來討論一下
首先你的結論我就不大明白,你說
: 結論
: 詹家不要這麼明目張膽吃資源
: 把自己的專屬陪打變成國家隊陪打
: 謝淑薇不要這麼激動 儘量對事不對人
: 這次事件應該就不會發生了
問題是如果詹家不明目張膽吃資源,
謝淑薇根本沒有說話的空間。
這件事源頭只有一個,就是詹家與網協。
這種發生爭執雙方各打一大板的說法,
表面上理性,細想根本不合理。
整起事件的根源,或者說歷來詹謝爭議的根源,
不就是詹家霸佔資源?網協處理不公嗎?
不去檢討事情源頭,反過來怪謝淑薇不夠圓滑,
不大對勁吧?
謝淑薇不會做人、話術不高明、不懂怎麼塑造形象,
吃虧的是他自己,惡果是他自己承受,
因此只要他自己高興,旁人管不著。
但詹家霸佔資源,網協制度不公,影響的是所有網球選手。
就算詹謝兩家都有問題,兩邊相比,
一個問題是公領域,一個問題是私領域,
拿來相提並論,甚至加以詮釋成互為因果,
我不能認同。
※ 引述《ndsl02 (P1XeR)》之銘言:
: 大家好 關於歐善元這位選手
: 這邊可以客觀的幫各位介紹一下
: 學經歷
: 首先他目前剛從國立體育大學畢業
: 之前高中是在我的家鄉彰化就讀大慶商工
: 成績我就不贅述 國內獎牌拿很多就對了
: 是扎扎實實的網球專長的選手
: 球技
: 雖然我沒跟他打過
: 但至少也親眼看他打球無數次了
: 是非常紮實的底線球員
: 抽球能力是國內大專甲組一流
: 想要在抽球這個項目贏過他至少要職業水準
: 可惜礙於身材限制 身高目測168或以下
: 因此在職業的世界 發球非常沒有優勢
: 再加上戰術比較單一 轉職業有困難
: 個性與人品
: 我這邊可以給絕對客觀的事實 沒有誇大與袒護
: 在練球的態度方面 綜觀國內青少年大專選手
: 絕對沒幾個比他好 真的是再怎麼無腦的訓練
: 他也會完成給教練看
: 因為他就是實實在在的老實人
: 鐵杵磨成繡花針、皇天不負苦心人
: 絕對是他這次去奧運最好的寫照
這邊你提到歐陪打的經歷,提到他的個性與態度。
我覺得也完全放錯重點。
因為沒有人說他是壞人,重點是:陪打怎麼遴選的?
: 當詹家陪打(這部分不確定 傳聞居多)
: 當初怎麼開始陪打的我了解的不多
: 不過各位還是要清楚 好的運動員通常個性都不好
: 這也是為什麼K Y說網球球員不是big3
: 通常比賽成績好的人都會在個性上有一些瑕疵
: 因此歐善元在陪打的過程中據說是非常艱困
: 不能打太快也不能打太旋 要按照詹家姐妹的要求
: 把球乖乖控好給他們打
: 當然這也是歐善元的價值所在
: 他面對網球上的要求都能盡力做到
: 因此不是只有他有能力當陪打 是他的個性很好
: 可以忍受一些不好的情緒
你這邊提到歐忍受詹家姊妹的情緒,我更是無法理解。
你之前提到歐能夠參加奧運,是皇天不負苦心人
難道歐的苦心,就在於能忍受詹家姊妹的情緒嗎?
難道忍受詹家姊妹的情緒,是此次陪打員的遴選標準嗎?
若是如此,整個陪打員的遴選,就是以詹家意見為意見,
那就證實了網協制度因人設事,不值得抗議嗎?
: 因此謝淑薇Po文底下
: 很多網球界的教練為歐善元求情 這是很合理的
: 因為他就是一個很認真練球的人 沒有要蹭的意思
: 謝淑薇不滿的點
: 根據我的介紹可以發現
: 歐善元本來就是一個詹家專屬的陪打
: 以陪打來說是俗擱大碗
: 然而大滿貫冠軍等級的球員肯定覺得根本沒什麼
: 謝就是不滿為什麼詹家還可以再帶一位陪打過去
: 跟資歷沒有關係
: 因為若是國際有名的球員也不會去當陪打
: 更何況是當詹家的陪打…
這一整段完全邏輯混亂。
我就跳過了。
: 解套方式
: 若有三個名額
: 最好是可以找一個有實力、對網球有理解的人
: 擔任所有球員共同的總教練、防護員、陪打員
: 這樣就沒問題了
: 另外陪打員維持歐善元也沒有問題
: 雖比不上其他職業 但也夠和盧哥練球了
你提的解套方式,是我唯一同意的地方
今天網球隊的教練、陪打員本來就該替所有選手設想
但問題就是教練、陪打員都是為詹家量身打造,
這就是問題癥結。
: 個人心得
: 謝淑薇今天就是不滿詹家多一個名額
: 畢竟盧哥帶一個親哥哥 詹家帶一個爸爸
: 剩下應該給另一組女雙找個教練 結果變詹家陪打
: 但是今天女雙是超後面才知道有機會上場
: 因此當初沒有幫她們找教練也是合理的
女雙遞補,大家都很意外,網協自然也不可能會預知
但問題在於:網協在知道後也完全無作為,這才是惹人非議之處
: 結論
: 詹家不要這麼明目張膽吃資源
: 把自己的專屬陪打變成國家隊陪打
: 謝淑薇不要這麼激動 儘量對事不對人
: 這次事件應該就不會發生了
: -----
: Sent from JPTT on my iPhone
重申,你的結論我完全不同意。
謝淑薇針對歐的貼文,並未人身攻擊,不過就是問個資歷。
留言處有網友擦槍走火,這要算在謝的頭上嗎?
若是如此,有人對謝人身攻擊,也可以算在歐的頭上嗎?
謝是否明知故問,故意要鋪陳議題?
也許的確是如此,真相只有他自己知道,
但就事論事,他沒有攻擊歐,甚至呼籲網友不要攻擊歐。
從陪打員的經歷,去釐清奧運代表團的遴選資格,
我不認為有什麼問題。
認為歐受委屈的人,我反而才覺得是對人不對事。
因為從頭到尾,謝要討論的就是:制度問題。
制度問題跟歐能否鐵杵磨成繡花針,能否忍受詹家情緒,
一.點.關.係.都.沒.有。
--
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