詹姆斯:字母哥留隊是很好的事,我和他的 - NBA
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※ 引述《qhaabk (虎魂不滅)》之銘言:
: 為什麼想找的不想來 除了城市問題 就是人的問題
: 當然不是LBJ不夠強 是他只有一個人
: 如果當年騎士沒87放了BOO 以呂布詹+魏延布 兩個人的吸引力一定好找多了
: → KarlTowns : boozer是烙跑好嗎?跟騎士講好,跑去跟爵士簽約 12/16 11:35
: → KarlTowns : 再加上boozer騙騎士,說好要簽約提前變自由球員 12/16 11:37
: 推 kart : Boozer誆了騎士無誤啊 12/16 11:41
: 推 matsuwu : 被騙真的the慘 12/16 11:43
: → matsuwu : 當時球員交易也沒有現在完善 12/16 11:43
: → angel2210 : 當年的RFA有問題沒辦法 12/16 11:55
: → EZ78 : 不過他會跑掉也是當時二輪球員的制式約太爛 0號探 12/16 11:56
: → EZ78 : 員也是就跑了 勇士留不住繼續爛 12/16 11:56
: → EZ78 : 當時的制度二輪新秀基本上別隊願意給 你再多錢都留 12/16 12:16
: → EZ78 : 不住 12/16 12:16
: → EZ78 : 制度超畸形 12/16 12:16
並不是EZ78說的這麼簡單(當然也跟AD的狀況不同,AD是PO,球員選擇權)。
Boozer新人是第二輪(2002 #35)被選中沒錯,但他跟騎士簽的是2+1的合約。
第三年是球隊選擇權(TO),打完就會有完整鳥權了。
但Boozer第二年在騎士打太好,15.5分 11.4籃板,還進到奧運美國隊。
這一年姆斯新人年,20.9分5.5籃板5.9助攻。
於是Boozer方就跟騎士談換約的事,
希望騎士不要撿第三年TO,這樣就可以重簽一張大約。
騎士因為卡了大Z的13.5M合約(在當年超多),
沒有空間可用,在沒有鳥權的情況下,只能用中產價碼的早鳥條款重簽。
所以兩邊就講好,騎士不撿TO,Boozer接受中產價碼六年41M。
結果,變成自由球員的Boozer,接受了爵士的六年70M合約琵琶別抱。
雖然是RFA,但騎士開不出這樣一年超過10M的金額(他們只有5M的中產)
騎士隊只能眼睜睜看著本來還有一年控制權的Boozer變成空氣。
失去Boozer的騎士,還是什麼都不能做,最後只用交易換來了Drew Gooden等人。
隔年42-40,沒進季後賽.....(跟籃網同勝場但比較其他條件後淘汰)
如果有留下Boozer,會不會不一樣?
Boozer在接下來七年打出了19.3分 10.4籃板的成績。
但歷史沒有如果。
這件事後來催生出「Arenas條款」(2005年),也就是所謂的毒藥合約,
規定開給二輪或非選秀等「只有早鳥或非鳥」的RFA(受限自由球員)合約,
為了讓母隊可以跟進,可以設計成第一年不能超過中產。
(對要挖角的一方還是平均攤在三年)
以台灣人最熟悉的例子,林書豪來看。
當年火箭開了一張3年25M的合約給林書豪。
對尼克(母隊)而言,這份合約是這樣:
5M+5.225M+14.8M
也就是第一年中產,第二年中產的漲幅,第三年因為有完整鳥權可以給到最高。
而對火箭來說,就是一張8.37M三年的合約而已。
大概是這樣。
逼使NBA聯盟催生出Arenas條款的推手之一,Carlos Boozer。
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: 為什麼想找的不想來 除了城市問題 就是人的問題
: 當然不是LBJ不夠強 是他只有一個人
: 如果當年騎士沒87放了BOO 以呂布詹+魏延布 兩個人的吸引力一定好找多了
: → KarlTowns : boozer是烙跑好嗎?跟騎士講好,跑去跟爵士簽約 12/16 11:35
: → KarlTowns : 再加上boozer騙騎士,說好要簽約提前變自由球員 12/16 11:37
: 推 kart : Boozer誆了騎士無誤啊 12/16 11:41
: 推 matsuwu : 被騙真的the慘 12/16 11:43
: → matsuwu : 當時球員交易也沒有現在完善 12/16 11:43
: → angel2210 : 當年的RFA有問題沒辦法 12/16 11:55
: → EZ78 : 不過他會跑掉也是當時二輪球員的制式約太爛 0號探 12/16 11:56
: → EZ78 : 員也是就跑了 勇士留不住繼續爛 12/16 11:56
: → EZ78 : 當時的制度二輪新秀基本上別隊願意給 你再多錢都留 12/16 12:16
: → EZ78 : 不住 12/16 12:16
: → EZ78 : 制度超畸形 12/16 12:16
並不是EZ78說的這麼簡單(當然也跟AD的狀況不同,AD是PO,球員選擇權)。
Boozer新人是第二輪(2002 #35)被選中沒錯,但他跟騎士簽的是2+1的合約。
第三年是球隊選擇權(TO),打完就會有完整鳥權了。
但Boozer第二年在騎士打太好,15.5分 11.4籃板,還進到奧運美國隊。
這一年姆斯新人年,20.9分5.5籃板5.9助攻。
於是Boozer方就跟騎士談換約的事,
希望騎士不要撿第三年TO,這樣就可以重簽一張大約。
騎士因為卡了大Z的13.5M合約(在當年超多),
沒有空間可用,在沒有鳥權的情況下,只能用中產價碼的早鳥條款重簽。
所以兩邊就講好,騎士不撿TO,Boozer接受中產價碼六年41M。
結果,變成自由球員的Boozer,接受了爵士的六年70M合約琵琶別抱。
雖然是RFA,但騎士開不出這樣一年超過10M的金額(他們只有5M的中產)
騎士隊只能眼睜睜看著本來還有一年控制權的Boozer變成空氣。
失去Boozer的騎士,還是什麼都不能做,最後只用交易換來了Drew Gooden等人。
隔年42-40,沒進季後賽.....(跟籃網同勝場但比較其他條件後淘汰)
如果有留下Boozer,會不會不一樣?
Boozer在接下來七年打出了19.3分 10.4籃板的成績。
但歷史沒有如果。
這件事後來催生出「Arenas條款」(2005年),也就是所謂的毒藥合約,
規定開給二輪或非選秀等「只有早鳥或非鳥」的RFA(受限自由球員)合約,
為了讓母隊可以跟進,可以設計成第一年不能超過中產。
(對要挖角的一方還是平均攤在三年)
以台灣人最熟悉的例子,林書豪來看。
當年火箭開了一張3年25M的合約給林書豪。
對尼克(母隊)而言,這份合約是這樣:
5M+5.225M+14.8M
也就是第一年中產,第二年中產的漲幅,第三年因為有完整鳥權可以給到最高。
而對火箭來說,就是一張8.37M三年的合約而已。
大概是這樣。
逼使NBA聯盟催生出Arenas條款的推手之一,Carlos Boozer。
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