聯盟繼續這樣無作為，NBA要走到哪裡？ - NBA
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哪有甚麼失不失控
這就是聯盟的現況
人家勇士又沒有違反甚麼規定
全部都按照制度在走
聯盟要怎麼管?
(很多人常舉CP3的案例 但請先去了解 CP3交易案被擋的原因
那是因為當時黃蜂就是聯盟代管 而且管理黃蜂也不是聯盟說了算
是其他隊老闆投票決定 你覺得投票的話其他隊老闆有可能容許那個交易案發生嗎
但除了這種特殊狀況 聯盟根本沒辦法管交易 只能管球隊有沒有暗盤 有沒有私下)
這就是一個商業聯盟 是個自由的市場
大家自由競爭
你做太多限制 那乾脆不要打了@@
而且其實NBA現在的規定 在阻止聯盟M型化 組止豪門球隊獨佔市場
已經很有功效了
看看MLB 看看歐洲足球
許多豪門球隊 那種用錢堆積出來的陣容 那比NBA更誇張好嗎
只是因為棒球跟足球相對於籃球 比較有爆冷的機會
不是你把球星全都堆在一起 不是你花大錢 就肯定能奪冠
所以才會讓你覺得NBA好像失控了吧...
但其實NBA現行的CBA制度 在減低大市場城市的優勢方面 已經算是不錯了
不然像紐約 像LA 應該要年年都拿冠軍 年年都組超級強隊阿
可是 有嗎?
所以去怪聯盟不解決 這真的很沒意義
所有制度都可能有漏洞 要能完全杜絕失衡 根本就不可能
現行的制度已經有一定程度的功效了
更何況 CBA制度 你只怪聯盟也沒有用
因為那不是聯盟單方面能決定的 那需要聯盟還有30隊老闆 還有球員工會的代表
一起開會
你覺得聯盟想改就能改嗎?
至於30隊的老闆 到底願不願意去修改 杜絕失衡 那就是另外一個議題了
而且 你要做很多限制 那勢必會影響球員的薪資 球員工會會不會答應 也是個問題
好啦 就算真的大家都同意 大家都願意坐下來開會去訂新的CBA
那要怎麼訂?
比較有可能的規定
就是"限制一個球隊只能有最多兩個頂薪球員"
但你這樣訂 就真的能阻止?
如果球星覺得冠軍>>>>>>錢 自願降薪 不領頂薪
那你聯盟管得著嗎?...
這樣訂不行
那難道要規定一個球隊只能有幾個球星? 那球星的定義是甚麼?
過去五年進過幾次明星賽嗎?
這些都非常難以界定 很難訂一個標準
而且真的訂了這種規定 你不覺得很像笑話嗎?@@
所以 在了解到 "不可能有一個完美的制度"的前提下
大家都按照制度來 是唯一公平的方式了
現在這聯盟也不是小城市球隊就沒有奪冠機會阿
騎士不就奪冠了嗎?
而且像雷霆這種小城市 他們也願意為了爭冠還付出許多豪華稅
(當然 比起大城市球隊 小城市球隊不可能年年願意繳大稅
但對他們來說 他們還是願意拼短暫的幾年
所以薪資上限根本不是造成現在這種現象的主因)
關鍵就在於你的GM怎麼運作 球團怎麼規畫
人家勇士GM跟球團就是做得很好 善於利用新秀的薪資紅利
把好的新秀留著 不要隨便交易掉
然後等待時機 從自由市場再找來球星
建立起一個好的團隊 好的戰力 自然有更多人願意底薪來抱團圓夢
那又不是輕易可以做到的 羅馬不是一天形成的 人家做了多少努力
其他球隊GM與其在那邊抱怨不公平 不如怪自己為何沒有能力像勇士一樣做得好
不過 現在許多球隊也開始學習勇士成功方式了
各球隊越來越看重新秀 選秀籤大家越來越重視 不會輕易丟
新秀的薪資紅利大家越來越知道該去善用
現在這聯盟 好好選秀 選對人
然後培養新秀 靠新秀時期薪資低 建構健全的戰力
然後想辦法簽一兩個大咖球星 這才是王道
※ 引述《tadshift2 (煞氣的毛)》之銘言：
: 說句真心話：ＮＢＡ已經失控了。
: 從哪時開始的？ 其實就是熱火三王，這邊就不多贅述，大家都懂
: 這種風氣持續延燒，導致現在大咖明星不斷流動，
: 萬有引力中質量愈大的吸引力愈強，你看看現在
: 柯呂吸引了杜蘭特，哈登吸引了保羅，整個聯盟亂來亂去的
: 以前聯盟喜歡玩宿敵，古時的湖人超賽，60後的張伯倫跟羅素
: 80魔術大鳥，90喬丹VS無冕眾將，熱火vs尼克
: 個個熱血，各種激情，各種火爆，各種跌倒站起來死也要硬戰
: 當年艾佛森讓多少人落下男兒淚，一人被歐布輪著毆打，但死也要戰的精神也讓人折服
: 當年 Nash 不斷的拼戰，流著鼻血也要跟對手戰到最後
: 那年帶著老八進總冠的赤木
: 當年，斑蛙從落選到成為銅牆鐵壁，跟著一群藍領拿冠軍，
: 活賽那年，哪一個大咖哪一個是腿？
: 讓看球的人理解到，不用是富二代、不用血統純正、不用攀關係
: 只要一心努力，任何事都有可能，
: Nothing is Impossible. 當年愛迪達的slogan
: 現在，這句話講出來是要給人家笑的
: 現在呢？
: 就像今年季前巴克利說得：我會假裝季賽很精彩，但總冠軍還是詠琪。
: 季賽大家，摸一摸，反正最後大家都知道總冠誰跟誰打
: 有必要看嗎？ 變得像是中國武術，比試武功，也不是打真的
: 大家彼此都師兄師弟，球星輪著休息，季後賽再來打真的
: 大家也知道，季後賽就那幾隊啊，其他隊來陪練順便給挖角的而已
: 球星的心態也變了，變成誰可以帶團當腿的到處打聽，電話打一打，約出來摸兩圈
: 大家稱兄道弟一下，就成了隊友，球場上遇到還會寒暄打哈哈
: 「誒，還沒死喔？」 「幹～靠杯喔，晚上要不要一起去LAVA？」「好啊，幹你請客」
: 那種遇到對手非要讓對手非死即傷的精神沒了
: 三十個隊伍，搞得像中職四隊一樣，
: 反正能進二輪 再來能進東西冠的 就那幾隊啊
: 幹～他的木頭的！也跟中職滿像的
: 就有爪迷啊，球員飯店玩樂，有怪音 殺小的
: 聯盟繼續這樣搞，籃球可能跌出北美四大運動
: 美國可能籃球第一也不保
: Nothing is Impossible.
--
這就是聯盟的現況
人家勇士又沒有違反甚麼規定
全部都按照制度在走
聯盟要怎麼管?
(很多人常舉CP3的案例 但請先去了解 CP3交易案被擋的原因
那是因為當時黃蜂就是聯盟代管 而且管理黃蜂也不是聯盟說了算
是其他隊老闆投票決定 你覺得投票的話其他隊老闆有可能容許那個交易案發生嗎
但除了這種特殊狀況 聯盟根本沒辦法管交易 只能管球隊有沒有暗盤 有沒有私下)
這就是一個商業聯盟 是個自由的市場
大家自由競爭
你做太多限制 那乾脆不要打了@@
而且其實NBA現在的規定 在阻止聯盟M型化 組止豪門球隊獨佔市場
已經很有功效了
看看MLB 看看歐洲足球
許多豪門球隊 那種用錢堆積出來的陣容 那比NBA更誇張好嗎
只是因為棒球跟足球相對於籃球 比較有爆冷的機會
不是你把球星全都堆在一起 不是你花大錢 就肯定能奪冠
所以才會讓你覺得NBA好像失控了吧...
但其實NBA現行的CBA制度 在減低大市場城市的優勢方面 已經算是不錯了
不然像紐約 像LA 應該要年年都拿冠軍 年年都組超級強隊阿
可是 有嗎?
所以去怪聯盟不解決 這真的很沒意義
所有制度都可能有漏洞 要能完全杜絕失衡 根本就不可能
現行的制度已經有一定程度的功效了
更何況 CBA制度 你只怪聯盟也沒有用
因為那不是聯盟單方面能決定的 那需要聯盟還有30隊老闆 還有球員工會的代表
一起開會
你覺得聯盟想改就能改嗎?
至於30隊的老闆 到底願不願意去修改 杜絕失衡 那就是另外一個議題了
而且 你要做很多限制 那勢必會影響球員的薪資 球員工會會不會答應 也是個問題
好啦 就算真的大家都同意 大家都願意坐下來開會去訂新的CBA
那要怎麼訂?
比較有可能的規定
就是"限制一個球隊只能有最多兩個頂薪球員"
但你這樣訂 就真的能阻止?
如果球星覺得冠軍>>>>>>錢 自願降薪 不領頂薪
那你聯盟管得著嗎?...
這樣訂不行
那難道要規定一個球隊只能有幾個球星? 那球星的定義是甚麼?
過去五年進過幾次明星賽嗎?
這些都非常難以界定 很難訂一個標準
而且真的訂了這種規定 你不覺得很像笑話嗎?@@
所以 在了解到 "不可能有一個完美的制度"的前提下
大家都按照制度來 是唯一公平的方式了
現在這聯盟也不是小城市球隊就沒有奪冠機會阿
騎士不就奪冠了嗎?
而且像雷霆這種小城市 他們也願意為了爭冠還付出許多豪華稅
(當然 比起大城市球隊 小城市球隊不可能年年願意繳大稅
但對他們來說 他們還是願意拼短暫的幾年
所以薪資上限根本不是造成現在這種現象的主因)
關鍵就在於你的GM怎麼運作 球團怎麼規畫
人家勇士GM跟球團就是做得很好 善於利用新秀的薪資紅利
把好的新秀留著 不要隨便交易掉
然後等待時機 從自由市場再找來球星
建立起一個好的團隊 好的戰力 自然有更多人願意底薪來抱團圓夢
那又不是輕易可以做到的 羅馬不是一天形成的 人家做了多少努力
其他球隊GM與其在那邊抱怨不公平 不如怪自己為何沒有能力像勇士一樣做得好
不過 現在許多球隊也開始學習勇士成功方式了
各球隊越來越看重新秀 選秀籤大家越來越重視 不會輕易丟
新秀的薪資紅利大家越來越知道該去善用
現在這聯盟 好好選秀 選對人
然後培養新秀 靠新秀時期薪資低 建構健全的戰力
然後想辦法簽一兩個大咖球星 這才是王道
※ 引述《tadshift2 (煞氣的毛)》之銘言：
: 說句真心話：ＮＢＡ已經失控了。
: 從哪時開始的？ 其實就是熱火三王，這邊就不多贅述，大家都懂
: 這種風氣持續延燒，導致現在大咖明星不斷流動，
: 萬有引力中質量愈大的吸引力愈強，你看看現在
: 柯呂吸引了杜蘭特，哈登吸引了保羅，整個聯盟亂來亂去的
: 以前聯盟喜歡玩宿敵，古時的湖人超賽，60後的張伯倫跟羅素
: 80魔術大鳥，90喬丹VS無冕眾將，熱火vs尼克
: 個個熱血，各種激情，各種火爆，各種跌倒站起來死也要硬戰
: 當年艾佛森讓多少人落下男兒淚，一人被歐布輪著毆打，但死也要戰的精神也讓人折服
: 當年 Nash 不斷的拼戰，流著鼻血也要跟對手戰到最後
: 那年帶著老八進總冠的赤木
: 當年，斑蛙從落選到成為銅牆鐵壁，跟著一群藍領拿冠軍，
: 活賽那年，哪一個大咖哪一個是腿？
: 讓看球的人理解到，不用是富二代、不用血統純正、不用攀關係
: 只要一心努力，任何事都有可能，
: Nothing is Impossible. 當年愛迪達的slogan
: 現在，這句話講出來是要給人家笑的
: 現在呢？
: 就像今年季前巴克利說得：我會假裝季賽很精彩，但總冠軍還是詠琪。
: 季賽大家，摸一摸，反正最後大家都知道總冠誰跟誰打
: 有必要看嗎？ 變得像是中國武術，比試武功，也不是打真的
: 大家彼此都師兄師弟，球星輪著休息，季後賽再來打真的
: 大家也知道，季後賽就那幾隊啊，其他隊來陪練順便給挖角的而已
: 球星的心態也變了，變成誰可以帶團當腿的到處打聽，電話打一打，約出來摸兩圈
: 大家稱兄道弟一下，就成了隊友，球場上遇到還會寒暄打哈哈
: 「誒，還沒死喔？」 「幹～靠杯喔，晚上要不要一起去LAVA？」「好啊，幹你請客」
: 那種遇到對手非要讓對手非死即傷的精神沒了
: 三十個隊伍，搞得像中職四隊一樣，
: 反正能進二輪 再來能進東西冠的 就那幾隊啊
: 幹～他的木頭的！也跟中職滿像的
: 就有爪迷啊，球員飯店玩樂，有怪音 殺小的
: 聯盟繼續這樣搞，籃球可能跌出北美四大運動
: 美國可能籃球第一也不保
: Nothing is Impossible.
--
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