老詹該達成什麼成就才能超越喬丹 - NBA

By Aaliyah
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Table of Contents
直接用戒指講話最快
MJ 6冠6FMVP 5MVP 兩次三連霸
LBJ 4冠 4FMVP 4MVP 1-3逆轉73勇
累積數據? 沒這麼重要
賈霸累積數據>喬丹
但一般還是認為喬丹>賈霸,因為雖然賈霸同樣是6冠但只有2FMVP
所以要怎麼評比
就是用冠軍數說話
LBJ 就算明年連霸 5冠5FMVP 還是 < 喬丹的6冠6FMVP
LBJ要超越喬丹就是非6冠6fmvp不可
甚至就算是6冠4fmvp或5fmvp也會有爭議
別懷疑,要討論GOAT就是這麼嚴苛的標準
所以用冠軍數比最公平
至於詹迷常常質疑的兩點我一併回應一下
1.喬丹隊友比較強,對手比較弱, LBJ對手比較強(73亞,KD勇,超強馬刺),隊友比較
弱
A:不成立
因為這是假設性的對比,所以沒有意義
如果這樣對比可以成真,那喬丹迷一樣可以反駁:喬丹94~95沒去打棒球喬丹早就八連霸
如果喬丹八連霸你LBJ連拿出來比對資格都沒有
所以這樣質疑的方式不成立
2.冠軍數這麼重要那Bill Russell不才是第一 6>11>4 ?
A:一樣不成立,Bill Russell活躍年代是50年代,當時的隊伍不多,競爭不多
規則、觀念也沒現代完善
另外一點就是喬丹迷不會介意Russell排名在喬丹前面
事實上在喬丹之前,Russell就被認為是史上最偉大籃球員
只是因為喬丹做的事情太前所未有之後才被認為是GOAT
喬丹自己從來沒有說自己比Russell,Jabbar這些人更強更偉大
最後一點就是 不論是 6、11、4這三個數字怎麼排列組合
最奇怪的就是4>6>11或4>11>6這兩個式子
所以LBJ不是無法成為GOAT,而是要成為GOAT就得要6冠6fmvp
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MJ 6冠6FMVP 5MVP 兩次三連霸
LBJ 4冠 4FMVP 4MVP 1-3逆轉73勇
累積數據? 沒這麼重要
賈霸累積數據>喬丹
但一般還是認為喬丹>賈霸,因為雖然賈霸同樣是6冠但只有2FMVP
所以要怎麼評比
就是用冠軍數說話
LBJ 就算明年連霸 5冠5FMVP 還是 < 喬丹的6冠6FMVP
LBJ要超越喬丹就是非6冠6fmvp不可
甚至就算是6冠4fmvp或5fmvp也會有爭議
別懷疑,要討論GOAT就是這麼嚴苛的標準
所以用冠軍數比最公平
至於詹迷常常質疑的兩點我一併回應一下
1.喬丹隊友比較強,對手比較弱, LBJ對手比較強(73亞,KD勇,超強馬刺),隊友比較
弱
A:不成立
因為這是假設性的對比,所以沒有意義
如果這樣對比可以成真,那喬丹迷一樣可以反駁:喬丹94~95沒去打棒球喬丹早就八連霸
如果喬丹八連霸你LBJ連拿出來比對資格都沒有
所以這樣質疑的方式不成立
2.冠軍數這麼重要那Bill Russell不才是第一 6>11>4 ?
A:一樣不成立,Bill Russell活躍年代是50年代,當時的隊伍不多,競爭不多
規則、觀念也沒現代完善
另外一點就是喬丹迷不會介意Russell排名在喬丹前面
事實上在喬丹之前,Russell就被認為是史上最偉大籃球員
只是因為喬丹做的事情太前所未有之後才被認為是GOAT
喬丹自己從來沒有說自己比Russell,Jabbar這些人更強更偉大
最後一點就是 不論是 6、11、4這三個數字怎麼排列組合
最奇怪的就是4>6>11或4>11>6這兩個式子
所以LBJ不是無法成為GOAT,而是要成為GOAT就得要6冠6fmvp
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籃球員代表 連姆斯都是MJ的粉絲了...

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構上有很大調整

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By Robert
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至少兩三個世代無人能完成

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就聽你的?前幾篇espn專家群討論時都還得有一串問題
比較參考的,你這種小學算數規則就別大聲嚷嚷獻醜了

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喬丹有在三隊奪冠過嗎?

By Tristan Cohan
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強 喬丹對手弱隊友強啊

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By Ula
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可以成立我也可以假設喬丹沒退休就可以八連霸

By Anthony
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By Edwina
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mj跟皮朋就辦得到。

By Annie
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嗎^_^

By Margaret
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有沒有偏頗比較好不然就只是多一篇沒意義的討論

By Selena
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吧

By Edward Lewis
at 2020-12-23T21:22
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話Pip早被送走了
本來就沒偏頗啊 要說羅素>喬丹我沒意見啊

By Olive
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By Bethany
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By Kama
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還是馬刺也是史詩級強隊??

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次..

By Skylar DavisLinda
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喬丹也沒組團過 也沒被老人小牛打爆過 我只說姆斯
要超越喬丹就是要6冠6fmvp 結果就多了好多小AI跟Hor
ry迷 呵呵

By Erin
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By Liam
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嘻嘻 等退役後 獎項沒再增加 是不是穩贏賈霸還有待
論

By Zenobia
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..跳來跳去的你真的在讀一次啦 我沒有要說誰比較好
或怎樣

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By Delia
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在喬丹前面的回答
呵呵 發現真有迷迷說6>4>11就改口了 看風向挺快的

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只會在那邊問號 慢走不送囉
而且把事實講出來等於酸?

By Dinah
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真的可憐只會二分法..

By Gilbert
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些都是事實啊 哪裡酸

By Charlie
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高不就好棒棒^_^
好啦 你不是姆斯迷是中立清高迷好不好^_^

By Oliver
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阿 不過沒組團就兩次三連霸了 好像也不用組 噗

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By Catherine
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續下來解釋那MJ時期跟現代的判別

By Steve
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沒抱團 (如果)沒被老人小牛打爆 畢竟根據1 你這項
要加個註解

By Hamiltion
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較像是要酸姆咪跟前面有些不相關)

By Robert
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為一直待在舒適圈抱pip大腿 公牛制服組超強 像LBJ這
種不太隊組團奪冠包辦GM工作的才比較強

By Kyle
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這段正常

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累積數據的權重如果真的像你說的那麼低 不會有人吵
這個

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By Thomas
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跟教練都說MJ來到現代規則會更無法阻擋因為根本防
不了他切入

By Doris
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這段也出現的很詭異)我印象中姆斯也沒這樣說過,
所以出現這段我不知道跟第二點有什麼關係比較像是
為了酸球迷

By Linda
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否追上老喬還不遲 現在太早

By Isla
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0以上沒問題 確定要拿這個來講?

By Daniel
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巧。MJ兩度三連霸之間退休去打兩年職棒,沒有像MJ
敢放棄敢堅持。LBJ只敢拉球星抱團來競爭。另外,有
種老詹就退休兩年去打NFL再回來拿NBA三連霸,再說
。

By Todd Johnson
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個MJ迷講的心聲

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https://nba.udn.com/nba/story/6780/4537868

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蛋

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By Andy
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就覺得我在酸LBJ或LBJ迷會不會太玻璃心

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的事實嗎? 不把眾人皆知對事實講出來=酸LBJ跟LBJ迷
?嗯

By Dorothy
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都是沒冠軍的在算亞軍

By Sierra Rose
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二段的論述不夠完整提出的點ok但跳來跳去的 我也只
是講出來不知道妳這麼激動幹嘛

By George
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為覺得我在酸LBJ跟LBJ迷
這個邏輯我也是佩服

By Kelly
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只是提出意見,只是覺得有必要提出不同的看法就好
像我跟你有仇一樣莫名奇妙

By Rebecca
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是A不等於B硬要說A等於B 跳來跳去是講A時跳針B

By Lucy
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再來就是為什麼你會覺得我很激動呢?= =

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兩碼子的事

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你在訂的 MJ迷可以了下去啦 去看最後之舞自爽就好

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我真的無言

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我也是詹迷 但是我真的認為絕對數字還沒到

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By Tom
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By Mason
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By Gilbert
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答實質問題 (羅素冠軍更多)

By Heather
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竿子打不著 請問兩個互相矛盾在哪裡

By Franklin
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By Ursula
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設啊
自己閱讀能力差就多讀幾次不要急著出來丟臉好嗎^_^

By Heather
at 2021-07-09T13:52
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By Iris
at 2021-07-11T22:09
at 2021-07-11T22:09
設 MJ8連霸才是假設

By Ethan
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By Zenobia
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By Kama
at 2021-07-23T20:56
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By Margaret
at 2021-07-25T17:50
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LBJ囉!但自己卻把LBJ放第二

By Ethan
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By Olivia
at 2021-07-28T18:02
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By Queena
at 2021-07-28T19:13
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要怎麼討論MJ隊友強還是LBJ隊友強?

By Agatha
at 2021-08-02T12:34
at 2021-08-02T12:34
子 既然可以得到結論(你的結論)那代表這不是假設

By Jake
at 2021-08-06T01:51
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輯有問題是什麼

By Frederica
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By Blanche
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By Isabella
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By Robert
at 2021-08-15T23:47
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枝獨秀季後賽更是如此
只憑數據怎麼區分姆斯隊友強還是MJ隊友強 更何況姆
斯組這麼多團 每團情況都不一樣

By Rebecca
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By Mia
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By Steve
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By Kelly
at 2021-08-25T01:08
at 2021-08-25T01:08
況數據也顯示不出規則的不一樣 90年代平均得分更低
現代規則對得分手更有利

By Eartha
at 2021-08-25T08:36
at 2021-08-25T08:36
則平均可以40分或50分,這也是假設性問題
連假設性問題跟真實性問題都分不清楚還要硬拗 可憐
吶

By Olga
at 2021-08-29T18:44
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By Vanessa
at 2021-09-01T15:27
at 2021-09-01T15:27
11>7>6>4

By Vanessa
at 2021-09-05T03:59
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By Isla
at 2021-09-08T06:05
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By Candice
at 2021-09-10T02:08
at 2021-09-10T02:08
是誰在鬼打牆啊= =?

By Caitlin
at 2021-09-10T14:09
at 2021-09-10T14:09
牆XD

By Andrew
at 2021-09-14T12:57
at 2021-09-14T12:57
跟90年代比根本被動
所以到底誰的隊友助力更大?

By Todd Johnson
at 2021-09-15T16:19
at 2021-09-15T16:19
J第一個三連霸 Grant Pip MJ 第二個三連霸 小蟲 Pip
.MJ
誰隊友比較強嘛
硬要說誰比較強沒意義 因為本來就不好分辨

By Rae
at 2021-09-19T20:07
at 2021-09-19T20:07
數跟FMVP也不能比囉 那你還發這篇幹嘛

By Genevieve
at 2021-09-24T04:47
at 2021-09-24T04:47
不是姆迷要討論LBJ是不是GOAT嗎

By Isla
at 2021-09-28T07:59
at 2021-09-28T07:59
或是不重要

By Linda
at 2021-10-02T14:42
at 2021-10-02T14:42
軍跟FMVP還有MVP啊

By Tracy
at 2021-10-07T01:21
at 2021-10-07T01:21
自己假設LBJ隊友比較弱所以LBJ冠軍更純 來說4>6

By Franklin
at 2021-10-11T05:15
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By Iris
at 2021-10-12T21:20
at 2021-10-12T21:20
問題
拜託 硬拗成這樣真的很難看耶

By Enid
at 2021-10-14T06:19
at 2021-10-14T06:19
8連霸

By Bennie
at 2021-10-16T06:24
at 2021-10-16T06:24

By Linda
at 2021-10-20T22:41
at 2021-10-20T22:41
obe那時蠻像的
現在變成只有我假設 哈哈哈

By Liam
at 2021-10-21T10:41
at 2021-10-21T10:41

By Agatha
at 2021-10-25T14:43
at 2021-10-25T14:43
對手所以不去報團

By Agatha
at 2021-10-26T15:48
at 2021-10-26T15:48
勇去報團 那MJ迷就不能假設MJ不打棒球拿八連霸?
自己邏輯有問題就不要硬拗了 難看

By Steve
at 2021-10-31T02:21
at 2021-10-31T02:21

By Kyle
at 2021-11-04T10:15
at 2021-11-04T10:15

By Annie
at 2021-11-05T05:21
at 2021-11-05T05:21
論點是?還有你怎麼確定姆咪只有這個論點?

By Jessica
at 2021-11-08T23:07
at 2021-11-08T23:07

By Heather
at 2021-11-09T17:38
at 2021-11-09T17:38
而且第二個論點根本不代表LBJ>MJ阿

By Ursula
at 2021-11-10T10:27
at 2021-11-10T10:27
第二個論點就想抬槓的迷迷舉出來的 結果越舉發現LBJ

By Iris
at 2021-11-10T21:07
at 2021-11-10T21:07
90年代沒競爭力,都給你說就好了啊

By Sierra Rose
at 2021-11-15T01:43
at 2021-11-15T01:43

By Zanna
at 2021-11-16T13:27
at 2021-11-16T13:27

By Adele
at 2021-11-16T19:30
at 2021-11-16T19:30
被打爆了

By Necoo
at 2021-11-17T17:12
at 2021-11-17T17:12
這句話就很有問題了 你怎麼知道只有LBJ迷只有這個
論點 不就又你假設的.. 那如果我現在說出第二個論點
..

By Delia
at 2021-11-18T11:34
at 2021-11-18T11:34
頭前期刷了6年只有1MVP final都不去還想拿FMVP笑話

By Joseph
at 2021-11-21T01:53
at 2021-11-21T01:53

By Bethany
at 2021-11-23T15:39
at 2021-11-23T15:39
這種對手所以不去報團"

By Necoo
at 2021-11-28T11:25
at 2021-11-28T11:25

By Necoo
at 2021-11-29T01:29
at 2021-11-29T01:29
這不是邏輯的基本嗎?..

By Hardy
at 2021-12-02T14:51
at 2021-12-02T14:51

By Sarah
at 2021-12-06T05:13
at 2021-12-06T05:13

By Brianna
at 2021-12-09T08:38
at 2021-12-09T08:38
你分析之後會得到這個結論

By Edward Lewis
at 2021-12-12T19:27
at 2021-12-12T19:27
”LBJ>MJ的論點就是MJ沒有遇到KD勇 這種對手所以不
去報團 那你怎麼知道LBJ迷只有這個論點,如果我現
在說出二個論點呢?

By Oliver
at 2021-12-16T19:58
at 2021-12-16T19:58

By Gary
at 2021-12-19T16:58
at 2021-12-19T16:58

By Ivy
at 2021-12-21T21:29
at 2021-12-21T21:29

By Una
at 2021-12-25T05:16
at 2021-12-25T05:16

By Agatha
at 2021-12-27T10:07
at 2021-12-27T10:07

By Ingrid
at 2022-01-01T03:00
at 2022-01-01T03:00

By Ingrid
at 2022-01-03T16:25
at 2022-01-03T16:25

By John
at 2022-01-04T19:04
at 2022-01-04T19:04
排在哪裡還要看你的感受喔XDDD
而且前面就前面 後面就後面 不能直接說清楚嗎
要是在前面你不是就直接宣導GOAT是羅素就好了 前面
說一大堆幹嘛?

By Olga
at 2022-01-07T23:49
at 2022-01-07T23:49

By John
at 2022-01-10T05:03
at 2022-01-10T05:03

By Vanessa
at 2022-01-11T12:37
at 2022-01-11T12:37
是相對不重要而已,不至於到"沒那麼重要"這種程度
啦...

By Hedy
at 2022-01-11T23:17
at 2022-01-11T23:17
個世代的人笑

By Erin
at 2022-01-15T18:16
at 2022-01-15T18:16

By Ingrid
at 2022-01-20T04:54
at 2022-01-20T04:54
絕對不是組了LCD被打爆看到騎士狀元資源滿滿回去的

By Thomas
at 2022-01-21T21:27
at 2022-01-21T21:27
請再花幾年增加信徒吧

By Olga
at 2022-01-24T00:42
at 2022-01-24T00:42

By Lydia
at 2022-01-25T23:27
at 2022-01-25T23:27
就是建立在公牛贏球然後LBJ球隊輸球,可是LBJ最強
怎麼可能輸一定是對手都是歷史最強幾隊的邏輯嗎。

By Callum
at 2022-01-30T05:00
at 2022-01-30T05:00
輯裂開

By Agatha
at 2022-02-03T12:27
at 2022-02-03T12:27

By Jake
at 2022-02-05T16:58
at 2022-02-05T16:58

By Catherine
at 2022-02-06T11:41
at 2022-02-06T11:41

By Jack
at 2022-02-06T17:58
at 2022-02-06T17:58

By Audriana
at 2022-02-07T10:06
at 2022-02-07T10:06

By Selena
at 2022-02-09T02:04
at 2022-02-09T02:04

By Mia
at 2022-02-09T15:56
at 2022-02-09T15:56
根本拿穩贏的議題卻打輸的辯論,厲害了

By Thomas
at 2022-02-11T01:33
at 2022-02-11T01:33

By Ophelia
at 2022-02-13T23:41
at 2022-02-13T23:41
結果你氣到語無倫次,呵呵

By Ivy
at 2022-02-15T12:53
at 2022-02-15T12:53
笑死人

By Tristan Cohan
at 2022-02-17T05:40
at 2022-02-17T05:40
怎麼否認我也不在意,呵呵,氣到語無倫次

By Bennie
at 2022-02-20T01:56
at 2022-02-20T01:56
版友扯邏輯,真的精彩

By Franklin
at 2022-02-23T19:14
at 2022-02-23T19:14
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