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罷免案還在程序中 以下只針對信件內容做完整補充
※ 引述《VWilliams (蔡有美)》之銘言:
: : 四、用信件恐嚇版友
: 這個更妙了 singlecolor板友來信跟我申訴的時候
: 從第一封信就恐嚇我到最後一封信
: 第一封信就開始說 "如果你不給我清楚解釋 我們組務板見"
: 後來他去組務板申訴 我提醒他這樣申訴程序有錯 組務板有申請規定
: 他回我 "我相信以後還有很多機會可以練習 我遲早會熟練"
: 我問他是不是表示以後要犯很多次板規 這樣會造成板主群執法困難
: 他說 "有機會一定跟我奉陪到底 看我可以執法不公到什麼程度"
: 我再跟他解釋如果他一再犯板規 如果又申訴失敗 懲處會累計
: 他就說"只要是我的判決一定會不公正 未來路還很長 慢~慢~來~"
真是辛苦V版主 這麼用心的為我的對話上色 我講話固然衝
但他的回信的口氣可沒上述的那麼道貌岸然
: 一個在板上被懲處的案主 現在還沒確定申訴結果
: 就迫不及待要去組務板提罷免板主 我感到相當不可思議
: 以上請板友們明察
我只想說 罷免你是因為看不下去了 申訴跟罷免是兩件不同案子 請別混為一談
===========================以下還原信件內容所有真相===========================
以虛線區隔兩人信件之往來
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我依照程序,先跟版主溝通,要他解釋。
singlecolor:那請你也將心比心 閉上烏鴉嘴 就這樣
我並非在挑釁該版友 而是溝通 請他不要在選手還未出局前唱衰
推 yevvi:Stosur 要88了 01/22 17:40
→ yevvi:澳網第一個不及格名單恐怕要賞給她了 01/22 17:41
諸如此類的發言 請問在選手未出局前 說出這樣的話 不也是在挑釁球迷+詛咒選手嗎?
還是說版主可以選擇性忽視 ? 請你明天解釋清楚 不然組務版見 (除了按照組務版申訴
程序,這裡用時效性的口吻還有一個原因,之前刪推文一案,很明顯地出現V版主敷衍版友
來信,延宕不回的傾向,我不想跟他浪費太多時間。)
還有說Murray像印和真和吸血鬼的 版主妳也處理一下吧
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針對上一封信 他的解釋
首先 詛咒選手的定義是諸如"去死吧"."希望打到他受傷"之類的字句
如果是"要88了"這種 在當時比賽狀況的確處於落後下
我覺得只是反映比賽實況而已 畢竟的確比賽是處於落後且快結束
看不出有什麼詛咒的問題
但是叫別人閉嘴很明顯是阻礙板友發言
況且他說Stosur要出局並不是針對你
而你直接叫他閉嘴就毫無疑問是針對他
這點我不覺得有什麼好相提並論的
已解釋 要申訴請便
(都說請便了 我去申訴的內容還能拿來版上講 ╮(﹋﹏﹌)╭ 自己判決意見鎖的
倒挺徹底的 組務版跟網球版本來就不同 他後來主動版上在提起不知知居心何在~
想藉由群眾的力量影響判決 ?)
印和真? 是印和闐吧 如果我沒記錯的話那是電影的一個角色而已
至於吸血鬼的話 現在板主群的確是在討論要怎麼處置
謝謝你的提醒 沒意外的話明天就會公告關於吸血鬼一詞能否使用
(不過似乎後來也沒看到公告)
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V版主說:畢竟的確比賽是處於落後且快結束
(是落後沒錯 但快結束是後來的事 不到最後一刻不知道會發生什麼 請不要導果為因)
此外就算不算詛咒 也算占卜
我有那能耐阻礙版友發言嗎?
還是說我表達自己對他人發言不舒服的意見都不行
完全是請他將心比心為出發點 這樣就叫挑釁喔 請問尺度在哪
閉上烏鴉嘴是請該版友不要用唱衰的言論 跟直接叫對方"閉嘴"是不一樣的
請別混為一談
更何況阻礙版友發言(唱衰) = 挑釁 ? 請問這是沿用哪條版規啊? 我本人沒那意思
偏要被你扣帽子
白目發言但造成的結果是一樣的 打個比方 挑釁費迷和納豆迷還有分特定對象嗎?
(還是說你是他肚裡的蛔蟲 如果有分主觀跟客觀 那我也沒那意思)
這裡要跟y大說聲sorry 私下講話比較直白 但我用"白目發言"這幾個字
也是後來覺得他本人沒有惡意 只是比較愛秀預測能力 但看到偶像被說不及格
和要88了還是很不爽!
(印和闐)是一個難看的角色
(這是我當下的聯想 劇照:http://tinyurl.com/496shqe)
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"要88了"不等於"Stosur88"
前面加一個要表示快要 將要
(如同之前討論過的 占卜定義的用字和時間點都有爭議)
如果你有看過其他篇live文
幾乎每一篇比賽快結束的時候都會有"要掰了嗎?"之類的推文
以往的占卜警告類型為直接寫出xxx為冠軍
或者是第一盤剛結束就說xxx掰掰
yevvi推這個推文距離比賽結束的時候只有五六分鐘時間
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
(這點正是以結果來推論 比賽還在進行 你當下怎知道何時結束)
而且沒有明確說"88" 所以不算占卜
還是你要我在板上公開po大家意見
問看看要不要禁這個詞
我想板友們可能會蠻有興趣回答你這個疑問的
當然前提是你願意跟大家討論~
(我後來是直接去申訴了啦~ PO文討論還是V大自己DIY 我又沒要求)
你直接要板友閉嘴 針對單一的板友發言且語意非常不友善
我看不出這不是挑釁板友
你可以翻一翻過去的警告類型看一下挑釁的判例為何
在嚴重落後的時候說選手快88了這樣算是白目的發言嗎?
還好你是私下寫信給我 如果你在板上這麼說的話就又要被警告了:)
(提說我又可能在版上被警告的動機是 ?)
每篇LIVE文都有類似推文
事實是你的嘴巴發揮程度全憑你當下的心境轉換
這也是為何今天在這篇LIVE和其他篇LIVE情緒反應差距如此大的原因之一
A說Stosur很漂亮 B說Stosur很醜 C說"哇 你長得好像Stosur"
那請問你認為C是想要褒還是想要貶?
你牽扯到個人主觀意識的好看不好看這問題我沒辦法處理
colleger板主認為這個詞沒什麼攻擊意味
所以板主群將不會對這個詞有任何處理
(這個部分是針對印和闐 奇怪的是既然可以對此用字經由版主群討論後作出判決
那麼這個機制的運作應該是正常,但扯到鎖文一案,卻又推說小鱷組長不在無法
作決斷,這其中玄之又玄的秘密規則是?
以上我該解釋的都解釋完了
如果沒有其他新的事證就可以不用回信給我了
若有不滿的話請到組務板申訴
另外如果有需要我在板上公開問大家覺得"快掰了"這種詞可不可以出現的話
也可以再跟我說~
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挑釁=意圖挑逗引起爭端 我提出Murray為例子 就是要該版友將心比心
注意用詞 判例有些也是不公的吧~沒什麼參考價值
可惜不是在版上的說 科 (當下感到版主有恐嚇我在板上發言的用意 火大嗆回去)
不要模仿我好嗎? 我只是措辭強硬了點罷了~
當然是褒啊 ﹨(╯▽╰)∕
你沒看過印和真變回木乃伊的樣子 那很嚇人捏 你覺得好看喔?
(圖已附在上面)
喔
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提醒你 組務板不是你想要怎麼申訴就怎麼申訴的地方
建議你去看一下組務板的申訴規定
不然依照你目前的申訴狀況的話
不會被接受唷:)
(叫我不用回信 自己後來每日巡組務版 看到我PO了 又私下寄信給我扯些有的沒的
小鱷組長請假中 當然暫時沒法受理)
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多謝你的提醒 我相信以後還有很多機會可以練習~
我遲早會熟練的~ thx! (我是以打哈哈的態度不太想理他)
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唉唷 聽你的語氣是打算犯很多次板規耶
這樣可能會造成我們執法上的困難唷!
順帶一提 如果你想要有很多機會申訴的話
那我得要提醒你 正常情形下警告有效期是一個月
如果是犯相同板規 即使警告期過了
下次警告期會視情況累加
(奇怪了,我翻遍版規只看到分身ID鬧版會累加,自創秘密規則嗎?)
我想你最好還是在板上溫和一點
不要太常跟板友起糾紛比較好:)
(..............加這句的意思是? 無言....)
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嗯 這是個有趣的問題
但如果你申訴失敗的話
我想就不是執法不公囉:)
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只要是你一定是的~ 當然不排除未來會有意外
不過路還長得很~ 慢。慢。來
(整個就是被他的羅哩八唆惹到很毛)
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從以上版主回信的口吻 可得知經由信件往來討論 並無法確保版眾與版主的對等關係
應該說從一開始就不可能存在 ~
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