現在球員水準不如當年? 陶菲克坦言:以 - 羽球

By Odelette
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現在球員水準不如當年? 陶菲克坦言:以前的冠軍更難拿
2022/06/26 14:45
陶菲克。(資料照,美聯社)
〔體育中心/綜合報導〕大馬羽球傳奇李宗偉近日與退役的印尼天王陶菲克(Taufik Hid
ayat)一起在抖音上開直播,陶菲克在直播中強調:「不是我傲慢,但是以前的年代更難
拿到冠軍。」引起球迷熱議,現在的球員是否真的不如當年?
李宗偉在直播中談到,如果他還年輕,在這個時候打球,他贏得很多比賽的機會就更大了
,他解釋,「那個時代的比賽更具挑戰性,因為有很多強大的球員,比如林丹、鮑春來和
諶龍,以及蓋德(Peter Gade)和陶菲克。」
陶菲克也認同李宗偉的觀點,他表示,當時鼎盛時期的競爭比現在更加激烈:「並非我傲
慢,但如果我們現在都是22到23歲,也許我們可以再次贏得冠軍,以前更難。」
https://sports.ltn.com.tw/amp/news/breakingnews/3972649
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2022/06/26 14:45
陶菲克。(資料照,美聯社)
〔體育中心/綜合報導〕大馬羽球傳奇李宗偉近日與退役的印尼天王陶菲克(Taufik Hid
ayat)一起在抖音上開直播,陶菲克在直播中強調:「不是我傲慢,但是以前的年代更難
拿到冠軍。」引起球迷熱議,現在的球員是否真的不如當年?
李宗偉在直播中談到,如果他還年輕,在這個時候打球,他贏得很多比賽的機會就更大了
,他解釋,「那個時代的比賽更具挑戰性,因為有很多強大的球員,比如林丹、鮑春來和
諶龍,以及蓋德(Peter Gade)和陶菲克。」
陶菲克也認同李宗偉的觀點,他表示,當時鼎盛時期的競爭比現在更加激烈:「並非我傲
慢,但如果我們現在都是22到23歲,也許我們可以再次贏得冠軍,以前更難。」
https://sports.ltn.com.tw/amp/news/breakingnews/3972649
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會贏,畢竟林丹和李宗偉的巔峰實力不用多說。但是
整體的話一定是近代,打五十點的話舊世代必敗,女
單更明顯,十五年前的女生只會繞頭,,現在的女單
反拍根本就標配,連歐洲的女選手都可以反拍長球了

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,花樣更多來回更精彩。至於女雙..單純于王當年強
到太離譜,綜合實力現役的不一定真的比較差,雖然沒
殺球真的比較不好看

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手慈悲劍左手殺生劍的江湖感覺 好像某球館裡的"雙
拍俠"XD 被演藝事業耽誤的羽球選手

By George
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的中國金花會贏現在的女單選手?那就問你那為什麼
現在的女單甚至現在的基層小選手,反拍和假動作幾
乎都標配?這些都是教練亂教或是現在的選手自己亂
學的囉?而且不要忘記,球拍也在進步,不可能跟我
說15年前的球拍比較好打所以你都用林李時期的球拍
吧

By Emily
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前的國小生強?

By Erin
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賽,打個後場長球就可以直接落地得分的情況屢見不
鮮,現在的女單有可能打個後場的長球就直接落地得
分?

By Elizabeth
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By Rae
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的女單

By Madame
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By Kama
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小生哪個比較強?

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By Donna
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By Selena
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單嗎?

By Vanessa
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何況二王一李在中國還被她們前輩看沒有

By Donna
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文時間順序好嗎

By Joe
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四天王時代,而安現在明顯稱霸男單幾乎無敵手

By James
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By Emma
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By Caroline
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輩的選手們

By Freda
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By Mary
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的球具科技也比以前強對吧?

By Suhail Hany
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5年前的器材打球嗎

By Jacob
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By Franklin
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峰年來對打,我認為舊世代可能會贏,因為林單李宗
偉真的太強了,我有講錯嗎?這是在比新舊世代的天
花板程度

By Irma
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By Damian
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你可以用你的邏輯理解嗎

By Sierra Rose
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覺得無法比較

By Jack
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By Sierra Rose
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所以陶才說相對容易拿冠軍吧

By Genevieve
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一定比15年前的國小生拿15年前的球具強,不服來辯
不要閃避這個問題

By Anonymous
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By Skylar DavisLinda
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By Lauren
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整體比現在的整體強」這兩個問題就不一樣喔

By Jacob
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By Oscar
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By Joseph
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就想問你按照你的邏輯,為什麼你就可以比較以前的
男雙和現在的男雙,笑死

By Daph Bay
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你去找一個跨三世代的女單還在打的 給我看啊 笑死

By Joseph
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說的,看清楚好嗎

By Odelette
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員程度強弱的指標,為什麼你用的這麼理所當然??

By Jacky
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說的反拍跟假動作 頂尖球員不會一樣XD
又不是什麼高深技術 只是那時候觀念就是繞頭打而已

By Zenobia
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By Suhail Hany
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前的Top 50跟現在的Top 50打50點,我不認為舊時代
會贏

By Agnes
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金牌了啦

By Xanthe
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成人賽有關係?

By Jack
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By Isabella
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By Frederic
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你的臉了

By Ula
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By Michael
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觀念,為什麼現在不繼續用繞頭?請回答

By Quintina
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所以你覺得那些頂尖選手不會反拍 不要笑死人好嗎XD

By Quintina
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By Callum
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誰強,但是你覺得現在的整體實力比以前弱?
我可以回答阿,訓練技術有差,科技也有一點差別

By Dinah
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哈哈
人家十五年前拿奧運金牌的打法不能改嗎

By Emma
at 2022-07-09T19:51
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還在稱霸欸?

By Harry
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By Susan
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包阿

By Thomas
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你找到跨三個時代的女單證明給我看啊 我都好心告訴
你了

By Franklin
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00分就保證年收千萬?

By Elvira
at 2022-07-09T01:26
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能到頂尖選手 我相信大家訓練沒有太大差異

By Damian
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後也很強

By Belly
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By Elvira
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
比Top多少可以代表整體實力?我認為比各個時代的To
p 5打5點也就是看巔峰,並不能代表整體實力

By Ina
at 2022-07-09T01:26
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By Gary
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
談完欸
阿怎麼一直開新問題 都你在問?

By Anonymous
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
哈哈

By Madame
at 2022-07-09T19:51
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By Tom
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
」羽球實力,你同意嗎?我接受你不同意

By Skylar Davis
at 2022-07-09T19:51
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By Joe
at 2022-07-09T01:26
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By David
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
這問題好吧?

By Erin
at 2022-07-09T01:26
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By Sandy
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
選手強阿,你要不要看一下當年的影片?

By Adele
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
小戴頂多只能打一個 她沒有三頭六臂

By Dorothy
at 2022-07-09T19:51
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By Queena
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
麼證實現在比較強?

By Delia
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
0,現在贏

By Joe
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
你問我怎麼證實現在強,那我也想問你怎麼證實以前
強?笑死

By Una
at 2022-07-09T19:51
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By Tracy
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
可能不需要這些不必要的論述,因為對你真正想說的
論點「今不輸昔」一點都沒有幫助。

By Daph Bay
at 2022-07-09T19:51
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By Audriana
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
他們也都是同期的

By Faithe
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
那個男雙的例子他聽不懂就算了 真的不必浪費時間

By Olivia
at 2022-07-09T01:26
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By Xanthe
at 2022-07-09T19:51
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By Vanessa
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
的男雙Top 1~50,打五十點哪個年代會贏?
我接受你說15年前會贏喔

By Leila
at 2022-07-09T19:51
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By Liam
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
有統治力的太多了 誰拿冠軍都不奇怪

By Liam
at 2022-07-09T19:51
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By Vanessa
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
吧?

By Tom
at 2022-07-09T19:51
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By Freda
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
他就硬是要把範圍拉到前50XD 畢竟沒人能證明 www

By Heather
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
還有以前中國女單的身材比山口更不需要反拍

By Quanna
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
你說呢?

By Charlie
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
來打呀

By Todd Johnson
at 2022-07-09T01:26
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By Yedda
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
呢

By Suhail Hany
at 2022-07-09T01:26
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By Hazel
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
以代表「整體」?你們不敢回答阿

By Jake
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
這邊就是在說冠軍阿~

By Ivy
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
牌 那你舉出現在四五組即可

By Kumar
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By Noah
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By Jake
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By Blanche
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
,所以無論是「貴古」或「尊今」,只要能自圓其說
,就只是不同的看球體驗和心得。
不過難以證實不代表不能討論,但用貶損某個年代的
方式,例如:現代男雙不會殺球、以前人不會反拍和
假動作,只能說很容易就讓一切毫無交集呢,蠻可惜
的。

By Ida
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
我沒貴古啊 不是現實狀況嗎

By Genevieve
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
無聊還要對賭 你是小學生嗎?

By Catherine
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
灣甲組選手15年前的Top50男雙打現在Top50男雙,哪
個世代會贏?問甲組選手算準吧?如果你找到願意說1
5年前強的比我找到願意說現在強的甲組選手多,我就
捐10萬幫助弱勢,反之你捐,敢嗎?不要躲這題啦

By Elma
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By Anthony
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
」他們不接受阿

By Connor
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
你根本沒有要討論阿 只是要別人強制接受吧

By Erin
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
台灣羽球水準沒好這句話我笑了

By Yuri
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
當然不要啊 台灣羽球跟羽球強國的水準差這麼多 你
好歹也講個印尼的吧

By Catherine
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
能

By Todd Johnson
at 2022-07-09T19:51
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By Jack
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
這麼low的對賭 連人都找不到

By Una
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
我可以接受阿

By Jacky
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
台灣不算羽球強國對嗎?我笑了,謝謝你們娛樂到我

By Vanessa
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
什麼舊世代除了女單不好評估,其他項基本都比現在強
?所以舊世代頂尖那批都是虐菜上來的?

By Andy
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
台灣哪裡有50組男雙 見鬼了喔 你是連小學生組都算
入嗎

By George
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
,笑死

By Hedda
at 2022-07-09T01:26
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By Isabella
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
從以前到現在~鳩咪

By Olga
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
打現在的世界前50,誰贏,看不懂中文?

By Franklin
at 2022-07-09T19:51
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By Carol
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
10好嗎

By Quintina
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
等人體永遠不會衰老再來辯-.-

By Quintina
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
S大提出「現代男雙不會殺球」,單看之下類似貶損,
但背後有其論述基礎,包含16年男雙top大退役,打法
向快速平抽擋轉變,我覺得是很好的討論。

By James
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
對比XD

By Jacob
at 2022-07-09T01:26
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By Elizabeth
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
樣可好

By Enid
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By Quanna
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
這種廢問當然是你自己捐啊 記得捐給小學生

By Genevieve
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
甲組選手他們個人的看法嘛
個人看法很主觀阿,但是我願意相信甲組選手的主觀
判斷阿

By Harry
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
你是看不懂中文嗎

By David
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By Hazel
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
吧。
一開始就說打50點了,沒看到嗎?

By Genevieve
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
我都打你臉了還對什麼賭

By Sarah
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By Hedda
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
湯盃是排名 蘇盃是排點

By Andy
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
臉還捐錢做愛心

By Victoria
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By Noah
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By Brianna
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
賽可以排點抓放?
更正,湯盃和優盃

By Kyle
at 2022-07-09T19:51
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By Kumar
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
點的話舊世代必敗,如果要說一定總要提出個依據吧

By Emma
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
我就叫他提15年前 50名以前的台灣男雙出來

By John
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By Una
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
當依據可以接受嗎?

By Robert
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
不可接受 因為你算什麼東西?對賭是你開條件?
你自己說台灣的男雙啊 不然是誰?

By Iris
at 2022-07-09T19:51
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By Skylar DavisLinda
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
樂

By Jacky
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
再來是小學生~最後是對賭 顆顆

By Caitlin
at 2022-07-09T01:26
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By Doris
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
也讓我漲知識 原來湯杯是打排名的

By Hedda
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By Andy
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
拜託校隊女生都能對打 打得出來反拍長球了

By Vanessa
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By Ursula
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By Vanessa
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
,你們兩個都來賭20萬也可以喔,笑死

By Hamiltion
at 2022-07-09T19:51
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By Hedwig
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By Olga
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By Barb Cronin
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
不算,我也是可以接受

By Noah
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By Erin
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
小的不才 認識甲組不多 也沒這麼熟 不好意思問

By Thomas
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By Thomas
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
不是自己鴕鳥爽就好
台灣拿了幾個 說啊

By Caroline
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
不然為什麼對賭要用到甲組咧~
所以請你去問呀 甲組覺得台灣算羽球強國嗎?

By Andrew
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
灣甲組的選手看法比你準,但是我也接受你不這麼認
為阿

By Margaret
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By Edward Lewis
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
歷史數據在那邊= = 跟我說我覺得QAQ

By Gary
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By Kristin
at 2022-07-09T01:26
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後開始算了?笑死

By Sierra Rose
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By Hazel
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
我很客觀啊 我有舉出實例 也有數據欸

By Bennie
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
較

By Kelly
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By Hedwig
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
在的頂尖強,這部分如果只是因為以前比較少看到反
拍跟假動作,這依劇不太足夠說明你的感覺,少看到
反拍可不代表他們不會

By Genevieve
at 2022-07-09T01:26
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By Noah
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
全英冠軍了 是你oo看人低嗎

By Steve
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By Tracy
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By Dinah
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By Lauren
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
還是世錦銀牌?
啊對了台灣有人拿過欸 可是那個人是中國人

By Necoo
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By Jessica
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
笑話是你講的 不是我

By Lydia
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By Lauren
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By Puput
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By Rebecca
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By Connor
at 2022-07-09T01:26
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然真的好了啦

By Connor
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By Jacky
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
棒的標準

By Rachel
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
灣真的不是羽球強國,C大如果覺得台灣是羽球強國,
可以提出為什麼你這麼覺得

By Ursula
at 2022-07-09T01:26
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By Selena
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By Jacob
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By Rosalind
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By Frederic
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By Isabella
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By Agatha
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
論述來說明現代比較強,S大有提到現代男雙不會殺球
,這種打法的轉變就有討論的空間,不同時代本來就
很難對比,只是以前女單不用反拍完全不代表她們不
會,而且討論到後來提出對賭也是有點莫名其妙

By Necoo
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
然後大賽出來爆種子這樣算他實力不好嗎
排名制度的變化你不用考慮進去嗎

By Tracy
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
是因為傷身體嗎?還是不方便接下一拍

By Dorothy
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By Dinah
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By Lauren
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By Edith
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
對啊 完全沒有了……我真的不懂

By Ursula
at 2022-07-09T19:51
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空間所以算是一個戰術螺旋XD

By Quanna
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By Valerie
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By Doris
at 2022-07-09T01:26
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頂多只能說相對有依據吧

By Jake
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By Jack
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
的排名 連賽制都不一樣

By Ivy
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By Jacob
at 2022-07-09T01:26
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能力不足

By Bennie
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By Sierra Rose
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By Skylar Davis
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By Valerie
at 2022-07-09T01:26
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教練臉嗎
撐個10拍再說

By Thomas
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By Caitlin
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By Mia
at 2022-07-09T19:51
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,以往注重的是四方球拉開但現在的女單大多更注重中
前場的爭奪,但還是要看個人風格,打拉吊的反手拍使
用就很少 以上我個人看法啦

By Anthony
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By Emma
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By Zora
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By Ida
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By Heather
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By Hedwig
at 2022-07-09T19:51
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放在今天也是陳雨菲那種打法

By Suhail Hany
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By Megan
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By Faithe
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By Susan
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
只是他們真的是後場前場快速拉來拉去,很少打近網

By Liam
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
但還是有反拍啊 張寧隨便都一個大斜線捏

By Dinah
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
速度 很快....

By Una
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
很牽強啦 單純就個人需求問題 而且扣掉tty 主動球
在打反拍的..少數的少數吧

By Dinah
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
網前推放一致性很有味道,短促手指發力更是扯
可惜身材沒練 要彎腰轉身拉伸特別慢

By Eartha
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
大專乙強校,可能可以吧,畢竟很多學校校隊根本快
樂運動的社團性質,相較之下絕對是兵強馬壯,實際
成績上也很常全國前八。然而,交大可能會覺得很好
笑就是了,畢竟梅竹壓倒性優勢,以及近15年來大專
乙成績好很多。
台灣其實也是如此,相比泰國、香港、英國、德國等
,台灣大致上佔優沒什麼問題,但整體來看,隨便列
也是一堆國家可以電台灣。
印尼馬來西亞中日韓丹麥幾個傳統強權,再加上現在
的印度,以上算是一線的話,台灣基本上跟他們還有
段距離。
把台灣放在二線羽球國家中的第一梯隊,大概算是比
較合理的評價。
反映出來的特徵大概就是:某些項目可以出產世界前
十好手,但出產頻率不太穩定,個人賽偶而有選手可
以衝擊世界冠軍頭銜,但失敗率很高,團賽基本上八
強止步。

By Jessica
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
一定很大,以團賽而言,大體還是打了才知道的狀態
(德國十年前印象中蠻不錯的,現在弱蠻多的)。尤
其泰國,一直以來應都還是強於台灣,團賽碰到好像
都兇多吉少。

By Lauren
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
,團賽比的是牛棚深度,牛棚深度長期比不贏別人,
怎麼會好意思說自己是強國

By Freda
at 2022-07-09T19:51
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By Sandy
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
,我也接受別人覺得不算。是另外幾個在那邊搞笑,
自己覺得台灣不算羽球強國,逼別人一定要接受這個
看法,我有講錯嗎?

By Donna
at 2022-07-09T19:51
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By Valerie
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By Quanna
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
原因是因為,蘇盃、湯盃、優盃台灣都有進八強,所
以我覺得算,當然我還是接受別人不這麼認為。如果
有人說,湯盃印度男團奪冠,勉強算強國,我就想問
,那蘇盃台灣八強,印度出不了小組賽,但是印度勉
強算強國,台灣不算?所以我的看法是,印度我也覺
得算

By Isabella
at 2022-07-09T01:26
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By Irma
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By Jacob
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By Kelly
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
?蘇盃印度就能從小組賽沒晉級喔,但我還是覺得印
度算強國

By Jake
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
啊
還要再打一次臉喔

By Frederica
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
還都有八強 笑死 你去查過歷年成績嗎

By Anonymous
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By Tom
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
以接受別人這樣看,但是我不這麼認為。因為我就問
,李宗偉沒有拿過世界冠軍,小戴目前也還沒有拿過
,所以按照這個邏輯,你也覺得他們弱囉?

By Oliver
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
有

By Rebecca
at 2022-07-09T19:51
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By Kyle
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
羽球現在都是用感覺打的就是了

By Zora
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
前面就提過了我有問另外幾位認為要比到Top幾,可以
代表「整體」實力,是沒看到還是中文不好?

By Brianna
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
這些都是你講的喔 趕快拿出數據來吧

By Erin
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
從32強開始打,扣除掉一些不能參賽的選手,抓Top50
可能差不多代表「整體」的實力,懂?然後如果比整
體的實力,Top50如果贏,Top100、Top200、Top10000
就會贏,懂?

By Jacky
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
隻貓嗎

By Jake
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
賽32強的單項起碼四五個人

By Agatha
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By Edward Lewis
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
以排進去
但認真打羽球的國家就這幾個,這樣就算是強國,不
覺得很膨風嗎……
忍不住想到以前在外面打球,碰到一位怪怪球友逢人
自稱「清晨盃32強高手」,我一個打到八強依然覺得
自己是超級雜魚砲灰的,只覺得超問號。

By Audriana
at 2022-07-09T01:26
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By Rosalind
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By Bennie
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By Sarah
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
灣香港泰國印度印尼馬來西亞德國英國丹麥澳洲,這樣
算一算也才十二三個啊XD 進8強其實認真說沒什麼能講
的…

By Charlie
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
新加坡和加拿大都比澳洲強了

By Donna
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
見XD 你要用這種討論方法找人吵架我是沒意見啦,但
我自己沒有要奉陪啦,大家開心就好。要說台灣羽球很
弱是真的沒有啦,但認真要說團賽就tier 2 等級。過
小組賽看籤運這樣。至於這樣強不強喔,也許吧,畢竟
地球國家很多。

By Elizabeth
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
了,全班十六個裡面有時候考了1/2強的就算強國這樣
嗎XD 挑提了什麼國家是比較有在練的毛病其實沒什麼
用,但我一樣尊重你個人意見。

By Hedda
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
竟那位球友雖然怪怪的,但球打得還是可以的,做人
也還是蠻熱情的(只是太過熱情一些,一直跟陌生人
分享自身「豐功偉業」XD)。
我不太確定,就只是我的個人解讀而已,CCLai一直流
露認識甲組的優越感,並且亟欲找「權威」背書。
然而,要認識甲組又沒什麼難度,花錢去找甲組教練
學球想認識幾個就有幾個,認識甲組云云,讓人啞然
失笑。
另外,甲組這麼多,是眼界有多狹隘才把認識的幾個
當神在拜,然後至少也有點基本的研究法概念吧。
CCLai的問題是個怎麼樣設計方式,以及受測樣本是如
何取樣的,對施測結果的分析是什麼,除了量化統計
之外,有無考慮質性訪談去了解他們的答題脈絡之類
之類。
這些都沒有,就只是趾高氣昂說甲組覺得如何又如何
,看了只覺得,是多有勇氣才能如此,他不丟臉我都
替他感到尷尬。

By Mason
at 2022-07-09T01:26
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By Jack
at 2022-07-09T19:51
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By Vanessa
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By Isla
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By Candice
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By Mia
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
分出高下,賣弄的只是你對那個時期的忠誠度比較高

By Brianna
at 2022-07-09T01:26
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By Vanessa
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
知道李宗偉是為什麼講出這些話 但陶根就是有些不嫌
事大的記者帶著搞事去問他吧 幸好他有完整的把的原
話刊登翻譯 但想當然大家根本沒注意他前一句的"並非
我狂妄…"看進去 都是集中在後面 以陶的資歷講個兩
句我想他還是有資格的 就像蔡贇當球評也不常嘴他以
前當選手如何如何 但人家是有資歷有獎牌才能講這種
話球迷就看戲就好 實在沒理由吵下去

By Necoo
at 2022-07-09T01:26
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By Isabella
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
不過我是覺得這種以前輩對輩而言 他們講講聽聽就好
他們資歷能力可以去講 但球迷沒有講出來只會變口
水戰

By Selena
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
就男單這樣說的話確是狂妄

By Franklin
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
其他的就算了

By Sandy
at 2022-07-09T01:26
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By Brianna
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By Enid
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
幾年印尼男單的表現....

By Thomas
at 2022-07-09T19:51
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By Enid
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By Aaliyah
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
嗎?

By Linda
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
察

By Dora
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By Victoria
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By Olive
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
爺賞飯吃

By Ophelia
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By Yuri
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
是能找到那種跨度很長的老妖,我更傾向是說該個別

By Joe
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
面年代。
所以,雖然覺得CCLai一連串發言很問號,但我無比同
意他說的「你問我怎麼證實現在強,那我也想問你怎
麼證實以前強」。
就我而言,討論打法、球風改變的背景脈絡有意義多
了,因為那是具體可以觀察歸納的趨勢,而非沒打就
不知道的強弱。

By Heather
at 2022-07-09T19:51
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By Blanche
at 2022-07-09T01:26
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By Skylar Davis
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By Ina
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By Megan
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By David
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By Emma
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
惹

By Bennie
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By Leila
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By Caroline
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By Jacky
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By Ivy
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By Anonymous
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By Jack
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By Hedwig
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By Jacky
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By Steve
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
條件~難怪誰也說服不了誰~@@

By Charlie
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
陶菲克一定瘋狂冷笑

By Mason
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
丹麥都拿過湯盃了好嗎
嘴丹麥?

By Callum
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
好像也沒啥好討論的了~大家自己公媽自己拜就好唄

By Valerie
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By Brianna
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By Mia
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
隨便你吧

By Heather
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By Megan
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
89~03年第一級別只有六隊,從來沒有台灣
05~09年擴編成8隊,也都沒有台灣
11~19年再擴成12隊,21年疫情一次打16隊,但台灣就
永遠卡在八強

By Rachel
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
嗯嗯 應該是某人排名提高之後蘇盃才有被拉到第一等
級

By Cara
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By Ursula
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
只能說我把自己的想法講出來囉~

By Damian
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
多

By Faithe
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By Regina
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
舊制時就是升不上去的程度,在第二級別基本都是10~
12附近徘徊
改制後就是剛好八強程度,這應該算是小小的進步(
?)

By Bennie
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By Olive
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By Anonymous
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
都沒有
那個分級超明顯的 你只能跟加拿大打而已

By Zanna
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By Lauren
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By Blanche
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By Daph Bay
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By Gilbert
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By Odelette
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By Joe
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By Ingrid
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By Hardy
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By Puput
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By Odelette
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By Lily
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By Damian
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
以近十年蘇湯優來看,台灣團賽就是八強等級啊,只
有14優沒有

By Ophelia
at 2022-07-09T01:26
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By Rachel
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
團賽都有八強就是胡說八道

By Zora
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By Selena
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By Eartha
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
說成是供三小,我也沒辦法

By Victoria
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By Leila
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By Brianna
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By James
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By Genevieve
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By Franklin
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
回更早以前10~12的狀況(應該不至於跌出去?),那
就真的是group 1的陪跑了,連小組都不容易出了

By Donna
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
大了 老人還在吹喔

By Lily
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By Dinah
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
隊,怎麼想機會都很渺茫,大概就19蘇有點機會

By Necoo
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
好

By Dinah
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By Freda
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
成績?還剛好是上個週期的名將?啊其餘老將卻一樣默
默消失退役?阿不是科技進步?怎麼其餘老將就沒留下
來打了?從這個情況來看應該是因為競爭變弱導致一
些老將就算能力下滑還是可以打,而非什麼科技進步。

By Lydia
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By Mary
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By Jake
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By Ina
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By Faithe
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
單打超齊的
十年前是佐佐木田兒上田,最近是桃田常山西本
日本三單在大部份年份都可以空降當台灣一單QQ

By Skylar Davis
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
理 ,這競爭強度還真是大呢

By Ula
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
那些老將以前真的打得比現在更好捏

By Anonymous
at 2022-07-09T01:26
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By Jake
at 2022-07-09T19:51
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3X歲的基本不行這種了

By Odelette
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明以往環境競爭比較強,真的是不用凹,不說印尼,韓國
那幾隻偶爾都能出來玩,高成炫脫離國際賽這麼多年,
防守突然就長起來,這明顯不正常,要硬說這些不夠證
明我也沒辦法,但要說現在小學生比15年前強所以現在
選手普遍會比較強,這論述的槽點多到我只能呵呵

By Sandy
at 2022-07-09T19:51
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By Anthony
at 2022-07-09T01:26
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By Jessica
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By Iris
at 2022-07-09T01:26
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By Queena
at 2022-07-09T19:51
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比較強,都想翻白眼

By Lucy
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
權就飽了

By Candice
at 2022-07-09T19:51
at 2022-07-09T19:51
拿督一樣行雲流水…好懷念有拿督的日子啊!

By Edward Lewis
at 2022-07-09T01:26
at 2022-07-09T01:26
休的一直出來講這種沒意義的話刷存在感

By Tracy
at 2022-07-09T19:51
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By Lucy
at 2022-07-09T01:26
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