澳網決賽-偶爾也需要另一方聲音 - 網球 Tennis
By Jacky
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來討論就來討論吧 理性勿戰 ^.<
※ 引述《daisybubble (黛西泡泡)》之銘言:
: 我想不止台灣球迷,第二盤剛開打時,
: 全世界媒體、球評和球迷都在猜測Nadal是否又使用策略性傷停。
很正常阿 剛開始被噓的確就是因為這樣 觀眾認為比賽被打斷噓
Wawrinka認為自己節奏被打亂抗議也合理
: USA TODAY今天斗大的標題:
: "Rafael Nadal was booed after taking injury timeout"
標題有問題嗎?
: 一切都是這麼剛好,球賽剛開始未到一半、沒有嚴重受傷跡象、局面絕對劣勢、
: 氣勢、節奏都在對手的掌控下,在這時候叫出傷停,該怎麼讓人臆測?
: 網球是一個很獨特的運動,只准兩個人對打,不准觀眾在球賽進行中喧嘩、
: 不准教練進行場外或場內指導、當然更加不准暫停,唯一只有一個規則例外允許,
: 就是傷停。
: 想想看籃球賽或棒球賽叫出暫停的時機是什麼?
: 就是對手打得順手、正處於巔峰,需要打亂對手節奏和注意力時,
: 或是己方毫無辦法,需要冷靜下來想些破解之道時。
: 這樣講應該就很清楚了。
: 昨天Nadal喊傷停的時間點剛好就是這麼敏感。
: 再說Nadal的「輝煌紀錄」如此之多,質疑也不是空穴來風的,
: 舉兩個最近的例子來幫各位資深球迷複習複習:
: 1. 2010年溫布頓第三輪 def. Philipp Petzschner
: 6-4 4-6 6-7 6-2 6-3
: Nadal在盤數1-2落後時,叫出傷停,說是腳傷,傷停回來後依然神勇拿下比賽。
: 賽後訪問Petzschner是否覺得Nadal傷停是使出小動作,Petzschner這樣說:
: “I cannot say this. You have to ask him what it was. But I didn’t feel
: any difference afterwards or before. So he was I thought he was moving
: great. I only could say if I would be injured like this once I would be
: happy. No, but I don’t know. Maybe he had something. Maybe it was just
: a clever part to take a timeout there.”
: 「我不能這樣說,你只能問他到底怎麼了。但我不認為他在傷停前後有何改變,
: 他的移動還是好得不得了。我只能說,要是我受傷也能像他這樣,那真是令人開心。
: 但我真的不知道,或許他真的受了什麼傷,或許這只是一個很聰明的暫停技巧。」
: 接下來的結果大家都知道,
: 當年的Nadal可是拖著所謂的腳傷打趴群雄拿到該年的溫布頓冠軍。
: 2. 2011年溫布頓16強 def. Juan Martin Del Potro
: 7-6 3-6 7-6 6-4
: 第三盤搶七時Nadal喊出傷停,這次說是膝傷。
: 喊的當下Del Potro立刻就向裁判表達抗議之意,但抗議有何用?受傷為何不能叫傷停?
: 這場比賽過後,面對眾多外媒的質疑,Toni Nadal給了這個回應:
: 'People can say what they want but they are mistaken,' insisted Toni.
: 'Rafael is one of the most correct players in the world. He has never
: cheated in his life. If you think that, it is your problem.'
: 「要是你質疑的話,it is your problem.」
: 包紮回來之後的Nadal依然神勇拿下比賽,
: 接著拖著所謂的膝傷闖進決賽和Djokovic鏖戰4盤才落敗。
: 傷停好用嗎?雖然不知道繼續打下去是贏是輸,但喊一下又有何妨?
: 如果大會允許技術性傷停的話,是否各家球員都可以在對方狀態正好時喊一下傷停?
: 好吧話題回到這次的澳網決賽,第二盤Nadal傷停完嚴重影響狀態,甚至無法跑動,
: 賽後訪問說是熱身時就受傷了,第一盤末最為嚴重,
: 即使他第四盤已經恢復8~9成狀態,
: 我也寧願相信他是真的受傷了,不然積分高達14000分的球王不需要使用這種策略。
你後面幫大家復習Nadal以前叫傷停還贏球的歷史
那跟這場澳網決賽的關係在哪?
我唯一有想到你想說的可能有關係的地方
在於你質疑根本沒這麼嚴重還叫傷停 所以舉了這些例子
但是
傷停回來後 有看比賽的人會質疑Nadal的傷?
看場邊觀眾跟Wawrinka的反應就知道了
你這輩子有看過一個"沒受這麼嚴重傷的"的男子選手
發球150KM 根本跑不了 球只有角度沒有速度 而且這個人還是Nadal?
後面當然看起來因為治療狀況好一點 但是和平常的他的差距誰都看得出來
Nadal後面根本是為了讓冠軍賽不要以退賽來結束再撐著打的
: 看到今天報紙再度斗大的標題寫著「納達爾拖著腰背傷苦撐近三盤」、
: 「澳網男單決賽納達爾受困傷病瓦林卡首奪大滿貫」、「澳網納達爾拉傷敗」,
: 真心為Wawrinka感到不值。以Wawrinka這場狀態Nadal沒傷沒痛來打都不一定贏。
誰都知道Wawrinka這個冠軍拿的實至名歸 受傷本來就是比賽的一部分
不值得的地方在哪?
選手誰都不想要退賽跟受傷讓買票觀眾覺得難看好嗎
: 至於其他什麼場邊指導、風度什麼的我就不講了,
: 引經據典甚麼的我可以再po一篇吧。
我真的看完整篇不知道你要討論的重點在哪?
另一個聲音是甚麼? 還有你舉的例子跟這場澳網的"實際狀況"的關係在哪?
還有你的最後兩句我更看不懂了 是想說甚麼?XD
我覺得你就直接把你的另一個聲音打出來不要在那邊拐彎抹角吧XD
--
※ 引述《daisybubble (黛西泡泡)》之銘言:
: 我想不止台灣球迷,第二盤剛開打時,
: 全世界媒體、球評和球迷都在猜測Nadal是否又使用策略性傷停。
很正常阿 剛開始被噓的確就是因為這樣 觀眾認為比賽被打斷噓
Wawrinka認為自己節奏被打亂抗議也合理
: USA TODAY今天斗大的標題:
: "Rafael Nadal was booed after taking injury timeout"
標題有問題嗎?
: 一切都是這麼剛好,球賽剛開始未到一半、沒有嚴重受傷跡象、局面絕對劣勢、
: 氣勢、節奏都在對手的掌控下,在這時候叫出傷停,該怎麼讓人臆測?
: 網球是一個很獨特的運動,只准兩個人對打,不准觀眾在球賽進行中喧嘩、
: 不准教練進行場外或場內指導、當然更加不准暫停,唯一只有一個規則例外允許,
: 就是傷停。
: 想想看籃球賽或棒球賽叫出暫停的時機是什麼?
: 就是對手打得順手、正處於巔峰,需要打亂對手節奏和注意力時,
: 或是己方毫無辦法,需要冷靜下來想些破解之道時。
: 這樣講應該就很清楚了。
: 昨天Nadal喊傷停的時間點剛好就是這麼敏感。
: 再說Nadal的「輝煌紀錄」如此之多,質疑也不是空穴來風的,
: 舉兩個最近的例子來幫各位資深球迷複習複習:
: 1. 2010年溫布頓第三輪 def. Philipp Petzschner
: 6-4 4-6 6-7 6-2 6-3
: Nadal在盤數1-2落後時,叫出傷停,說是腳傷,傷停回來後依然神勇拿下比賽。
: 賽後訪問Petzschner是否覺得Nadal傷停是使出小動作,Petzschner這樣說:
: “I cannot say this. You have to ask him what it was. But I didn’t feel
: any difference afterwards or before. So he was I thought he was moving
: great. I only could say if I would be injured like this once I would be
: happy. No, but I don’t know. Maybe he had something. Maybe it was just
: a clever part to take a timeout there.”
: 「我不能這樣說,你只能問他到底怎麼了。但我不認為他在傷停前後有何改變,
: 他的移動還是好得不得了。我只能說,要是我受傷也能像他這樣,那真是令人開心。
: 但我真的不知道,或許他真的受了什麼傷,或許這只是一個很聰明的暫停技巧。」
: 接下來的結果大家都知道,
: 當年的Nadal可是拖著所謂的腳傷打趴群雄拿到該年的溫布頓冠軍。
: 2. 2011年溫布頓16強 def. Juan Martin Del Potro
: 7-6 3-6 7-6 6-4
: 第三盤搶七時Nadal喊出傷停,這次說是膝傷。
: 喊的當下Del Potro立刻就向裁判表達抗議之意,但抗議有何用?受傷為何不能叫傷停?
: 這場比賽過後,面對眾多外媒的質疑,Toni Nadal給了這個回應:
: 'People can say what they want but they are mistaken,' insisted Toni.
: 'Rafael is one of the most correct players in the world. He has never
: cheated in his life. If you think that, it is your problem.'
: 「要是你質疑的話,it is your problem.」
: 包紮回來之後的Nadal依然神勇拿下比賽,
: 接著拖著所謂的膝傷闖進決賽和Djokovic鏖戰4盤才落敗。
: 傷停好用嗎?雖然不知道繼續打下去是贏是輸,但喊一下又有何妨?
: 如果大會允許技術性傷停的話,是否各家球員都可以在對方狀態正好時喊一下傷停?
: 好吧話題回到這次的澳網決賽,第二盤Nadal傷停完嚴重影響狀態,甚至無法跑動,
: 賽後訪問說是熱身時就受傷了,第一盤末最為嚴重,
: 即使他第四盤已經恢復8~9成狀態,
: 我也寧願相信他是真的受傷了,不然積分高達14000分的球王不需要使用這種策略。
你後面幫大家復習Nadal以前叫傷停還贏球的歷史
那跟這場澳網決賽的關係在哪?
我唯一有想到你想說的可能有關係的地方
在於你質疑根本沒這麼嚴重還叫傷停 所以舉了這些例子
但是
傷停回來後 有看比賽的人會質疑Nadal的傷?
看場邊觀眾跟Wawrinka的反應就知道了
你這輩子有看過一個"沒受這麼嚴重傷的"的男子選手
發球150KM 根本跑不了 球只有角度沒有速度 而且這個人還是Nadal?
後面當然看起來因為治療狀況好一點 但是和平常的他的差距誰都看得出來
Nadal後面根本是為了讓冠軍賽不要以退賽來結束再撐著打的
: 看到今天報紙再度斗大的標題寫著「納達爾拖著腰背傷苦撐近三盤」、
: 「澳網男單決賽納達爾受困傷病瓦林卡首奪大滿貫」、「澳網納達爾拉傷敗」,
: 真心為Wawrinka感到不值。以Wawrinka這場狀態Nadal沒傷沒痛來打都不一定贏。
誰都知道Wawrinka這個冠軍拿的實至名歸 受傷本來就是比賽的一部分
不值得的地方在哪?
選手誰都不想要退賽跟受傷讓買票觀眾覺得難看好嗎
: 至於其他什麼場邊指導、風度什麼的我就不講了,
: 引經據典甚麼的我可以再po一篇吧。
我真的看完整篇不知道你要討論的重點在哪?
另一個聲音是甚麼? 還有你舉的例子跟這場澳網的"實際狀況"的關係在哪?
還有你的最後兩句我更看不懂了 是想說甚麼?XD
我覺得你就直接把你的另一個聲音打出來不要在那邊拐彎抹角吧XD
--
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