槍槍是瓜弟奧拉的first priority - 阿森納兵工廠足球俱樂部 Arsenal Football Club
By Sarah
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→ fourinrainie:Ramsey, Arshavin, Gervinho, Chamach教練真的要負起 12/13 20:18
→ fourinrainie:很大的責任 他們是好球員 不應該被教授犧牲掉才華 12/13 20:19
→ fourinrainie:教練不教戰術 法布有提過 但並不是每個人都像亨利有 12/13 20:24
→ fourinrainie:天分 能夠憑藉對足球的理解 進而得到提升 甚至需要 12/13 20:25
→ fourinrainie:更多的上場時間來教學費 這些其實訓練時就該教給球員 12/13 20:26
溫格不是沒有教戰術,我忘記是本特納還是誰的訪談曾提到,
溫格會告訴你怎麼走是紅燈(不好)、是綠燈(好的),
但不管如何,我們覺得沒有教戰術,但事實上比賽內容還是有戰術阿..
很多次都是要創造出哪裡的空間,創造空間就是我們的戰術,而溫格的專長就是這個。
Rambo我個人認為骨折的傷勢以他現在這樣的恢復算快還算很好了,
真的要給他點時間,之前還有評論談到他是「過於努力」,要他Relax一點,
看看過去遭到斷腿的天才,能否穩定出賽都可能是問題,Diaby不就是嗎..
Rambo的能力從Cardiff時期就擺在那,
況且他跑不死的盯防與跑動是我們創造空間中非常必須的。
(盯防的部份我認為他其實很有意識,他知道如果回防的話要怎麼樣才能協助後防,
不要造成後防的出包,例如上回Poldi跑過越位線這種問題..)
推 jehannn:看看隊內薪資結構, 他要求10萬真的太高了 12/16 19:39
→ Nvboy:問題是沒人在不爽阿...只是在表達現有薪資結構下,哇靠能力 12/18 22:46
→ Nvboy:成熟度跟年齡上,大概就只能隊上中上一點的水準,哪天如果薪 12/18 22:48
→ Nvboy:資結構如果可以提升,當然也希望他簽高薪,就事論事而已,至 12/18 22:50
→ Nvboy:於怎麼提升要不要提升,那是我們能不能創造更多收入的問題, 12/18 22:52
→ Nvboy:,有沒有能力負擔的問題,板凳小偷跟外租的清一清或許有機會 12/18 22:54
→ chair209:能力不夠是真的阿,Nasri要拿11萬拿不到,被賣了24M 12/20 14:27
→ chair209:小老虎能不能賣到這個數字還很拚 12/20 14:32
→ tonyselina:納斯李是進來多久+哪年? 你不要開玩笑 12/20 16:51
→ tonyselina:拿周薪跟轉隊費比? 不倫不類 12/20 16:51
→ tonyselina:我口氣好像不太好,不過感覺很多人好像把拿周薪 12/20 16:52
→ tonyselina:跟當下表現劃上等號,沒有一個運動是如此看得 12/20 16:53
推 tonyselina:你還是看不懂 12/22 21:18
→ chair209:就小老虎週薪部分,我看法就跟部長一樣。兩位前隊長能拿 12/23 01:13
→ chair209:頂薪是靠年資+世界級球員;小老虎年資夠了、但肯定沒有世 12/23 01:15
→ chair209:界級,所以不給頂薪也很合理。況且單靠年資就給到頂薪 12/23 01:16
→ chair209:對球隊也不是一件好事。 12/23 01:17
推 tonyselina:就跟你講10萬不是頂薪了....... 12/23 09:17
→ tonyselina:誰跟你講了是靠年資領頂薪? 一堆轉會來的幾乎都領 12/23 09:18
→ tonyselina:本隊頂薪或是接近的價碼。 槍手是很多薪水小偷 12/23 09:19
→ tonyselina:但是那些薪水小偷幾乎都是溫格早早慧眼識英雄不肯放的 12/23 09:20
→ tonyselina:這時候又忘記年資了..........你真天才 12/23 15:26
→ tonyselina:再來你也不知道這幾年頂薪一直在往上加嗎? 12/23 15:27
→ tonyselina:球員薪資本來就會經歷農作物領基本薪超CP,到後來 12/23 15:29
→ tonyselina:overpaid的狀態。 現在簽十萬還是賺到(有看比賽就知道 12/23 15:30
→ tonyselina:槍迷歡呼聲中,基本上挖靠被當成hometown hero) 12/23 15:31
→ tonyselina:賣球衣等一堆授權,十萬絕對不是什麼問題點。 12/23 15:32
這段大家講的蠻精彩的,究竟沃爾科特值不值十萬?
我覺得也要想一下另個角度:對於球隊沃爾科特創造出多少價值?
花這十萬值不值得,沃爾科特對球隊的重要性。
加盟時間 出場數
我想這幾天大家都有看到槍手當中 Wilshere(20) 8萬 08 75
Walcott (23) ? 06冬轉 239
如果說Wilshere這八萬是衡量過去表現著重到未來,
沃爾科特少說也要比八萬還多吧?
在拿過去表現:
出場數 得分 助攻
2006–07 32 1 7
2007–08 39 7 5
2008–09 35 6 4
2009–10 30 4 2
2010–11 38 13 9
2011–12 46 11 10
2012–13 19 11 8
我們好不容易養出一個才二十三歲就能繳出double double
成績還能夠接近20 20的妖怪(沒持續冰這賽季有機會接近20 20吧?)
更不要提未來5年會貢獻出多少,現在槍手就被人吃屎屎阿,就很倚重他嘛。
Wilshere很強沒錯,可是Walcott也沒那麼容易取代,
週薪10萬(假使)x5年=約2600萬。
8 約2080萬
我不瞭解以一個優秀又能傳能射還能拉空間的球員,
為何打出成績週薪卻不願意給的比去年休一整季的威脅還高,
這相差金額是能簽多少個詹百萬?
我沒有認為沃爾科特簽的到十萬,
但是以目前槍手沒有沃爾科特很容易烙賽的情況,
加上這幾場他打中鋒整個前場都活躍起來
(別說這場他表現不好,他對於空間的拉扯讓隊友有不少空間,
上半場有一球Cazorla分Arteta沒會意過來的球,他拉扯後防到很深,
Arteta要是一開始就有留意到,早就有大好射門空間了)
對,薪資結構很重要,但是到九萬五到八萬五這個range是可以接受的吧?
別再說老虎不是世界級了,他能力跟成績就還是擺在那,
Neville也說了:他一個人把前場都帶起來。
這種把球隊的套路、節奏等帶起來的,才是我們要的優秀球員,
即便現在的態勢不樂觀,但老虎真的是不得不留阿。
薪資難談就難談在你又怕overpaid,但又怕價格低球員不願簽不是嘛 XD
那就看教授願不願意在沃爾科特上賭這一把吧,
雖然我不懂只多這幾萬是有差多少,是有多麼不願意,有多緊繃。
同時希望板友討論時別太激動阿XD
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