林書豪CBA不得志 來台有機會 - NBA

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By Olivia
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2022/01/04 05:30


數據下降 返首鋼未受重用

〔記者廖聿偉／綜合報導〕林書豪NBA夢碎後，重返CBA老東家北京首鋼找尋第二春，但出
賽4場表現乏善可陳，場均貢獻14.5分、6.5助攻、2.8籃板，命中率僅32.7%，整體數據比
2019-20球季大幅下滑，加上首鋼本季戰績不佳，目前10勝7敗僅排名第9，林書豪若不振
作，地位岌岌可危。


林書豪前役雖奮力攻下22分、8助攻，但末節決勝階段又遭棄用，主帥雅尼斯選擇擺上洋
將後衛吉布森。中國媒體報導，林書豪日前創下生涯單場新低2分，加上表現起伏大，教
練團對他的信任度不足，日後另一名外援加入，發揮空間可能再被壓縮。


33歲的林書豪近年在美國尋求機會，最終仍未獲球隊青睞，已幾乎與NBA絕緣，如今若無
法在CBA生存，下一步有可能返台打球。



傳有台灣球隊開3000萬想挖角

富邦勇士總經理蔡承儒日前證實，的確想過網羅林書豪，與弟弟林書緯連線。T1聯盟營運
長賈凡也爆料，之前有球隊願意端出年薪3000萬台幣的頂薪合約網羅，未來有機會看到林
書豪在台獻技。



https://sports.ltn.com.tw/news/paper/1493904


心得：來台灣刺激票房吧

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John avatar
By John
at 2021-12-31T20:22
想念牆外了嗎?
Ophelia avatar
By Ophelia
at 2022-01-04T17:15
P+ T1 SBL收
Dinah avatar
By Dinah
at 2021-12-31T20:22
沒問題 小豬 王力宏都能回來了 豪神就更可以了
Edith avatar
By Edith
at 2022-01-04T17:15
富邦勇士
Xanthe avatar
By Xanthe
at 2021-12-31T20:22
3000萬他會要嗎？
Edith avatar
By Edith
at 2022-01-04T17:15
期待很久了 書豪兄弟連線
Barb Cronin avatar
By Barb Cronin
at 2021-12-31T20:22
他會回美國吧
Andrew avatar
By Andrew
at 2022-01-04T17:15
載浮載沉，不勝唏噓
Ophelia avatar
By Ophelia
at 2021-12-31T20:22
他有什麼技
Elizabeth avatar
By Elizabeth
at 2022-01-04T17:15
豪豪><"
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By Zenobia
at 2021-12-31T20:22
腰傷
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By Lily
at 2022-01-04T17:15
兄弟合體
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By Candice
at 2021-12-31T20:22
P+只能有一個豪哥
Irma avatar
By Irma
at 2022-01-04T17:15
來台可以講耶穌了吧
Irma avatar
By Irma
at 2021-12-31T20:22
豪神再臨鬼島
鬼島島民趕緊參拜
Daniel avatar
By Daniel
at 2022-01-04T17:15
豪哥來台灣打我一定進場支持
Dorothy avatar
By Dorothy
at 2021-12-31T20:22
反觀3500
Victoria avatar
By Victoria
at 2022-01-04T17:15
人民幣比較香別來拜託。
Andy avatar
By Andy
at 2021-12-31T20:22
NBA羅志祥
Noah avatar
By Noah
at 2022-01-04T17:15
哈哈 3D995
Andy avatar
By Andy
at 2021-12-31T20:22
雙豪合體怎麼樣
Tom avatar
By Tom
at 2022-01-04T17:15
台灣可以有上帝!書豪來台就有力量場場30+
Daph Bay avatar
By Daph Bay
at 2021-12-31T20:22
台南獵鷹？高雄海神？
Andy avatar
By Andy
at 2022-01-04T17:15
書豪現在頂多賣票用的跟本不值3000萬
Mia avatar
By Mia
at 2021-12-31T20:22
CBA都混不下去 還想打球 來找弟弟是最好的選擇吧
Dinah avatar
By Dinah
at 2022-01-04T17:15
終於有機會加入勇士了
Brianna avatar
By Brianna
at 2021-12-31T20:22
終究要來勇士的，富邦
Enid avatar
By Enid
at 2022-01-04T17:15
NBA羅志祥 別回來了吧
Candice avatar
By Candice
at 2021-12-31T20:22
退化得好快0.0 這樣打台灣能到制霸等級嗎
Heather avatar
By Heather
at 2022-01-04T17:15
還想回NBA勒？真的不勝唏噓
Steve avatar
By Steve
at 2021-12-31T20:22
滾 沒信仰的咖小
Barb Cronin avatar
By Barb Cronin
at 2022-01-04T17:15
說個笑話 冠軍後衛
Delia avatar
By Delia
at 2021-12-31T20:22
猿快搶吧
Anthony avatar
By Anthony
at 2022-01-04T17:15
上帝沒用了？
Barb Cronin avatar
By Barb Cronin
at 2021-12-31T20:22
不得志?還是實力不夠?
Ethan avatar
By Ethan
at 2022-01-04T17:15
之前願意出3000,現在呢?
Ethan avatar
By Ethan
at 2021-12-31T20:22
富邦勇士兄弟連線
Lily avatar
By Lily
at 2022-01-04T17:15
書豪轉型已經來不及了 速度體能球的末日
Genevieve avatar
By Genevieve
at 2021-12-31T20:22
之前隔離太久，狀況還是有影響吧
Rebecca avatar
By Rebecca
at 2022-01-04T17:15
建州要開始熱身了
Elizabeth avatar
By Elizabeth
at 2021-12-31T20:22
書書連線不好吧？
Valerie avatar
By Valerie
at 2022-01-04T17:15
一定去看
Selena avatar
By Selena
at 2021-12-31T20:22
3000萬太多了
Jacky avatar
By Jacky
at 2022-01-04T17:15
笑死
Sarah avatar
By Sarah
at 2021-12-31T20:22
落葉歸根？
Christine avatar
By Christine
at 2022-01-04T17:15
這咖早就不行了啦
Emily avatar
By Emily
at 2021-12-31T20:22
心態崩潰吧，看到一堆之前沒球打的人，陸續被nba球
隊找回去打球
Agatha avatar
By Agatha
at 2022-01-04T17:15
留美國現在很有機會 自己要去CBA
Elizabeth avatar
By Elizabeth
at 2021-12-31T20:22
滾吧，舔仔
Sierra Rose avatar
By Sierra Rose
at 2022-01-04T17:15
來台灣也打不起來就更慘了
Leila avatar
By Leila
at 2021-12-31T20:22
留在美國 早就回NBA爽一波了
Hedwig avatar
By Hedwig
at 2022-01-04T17:15
人家NBA球星是打爆CBA拿到回NBA合約
我們的豪豪是去CBA還刷不了數據…..
Olga avatar
By Olga
at 2021-12-31T20:22
台灣這幾個聯賽也有薪資上限喔
Thomas avatar
By Thomas
at 2022-01-04T17:15
來攻城獅吧
Ina avatar
By Ina
at 2021-12-31T20:22
怎麼可能沒有 換個名字你就懂了(預算)
Dorothy avatar
By Dorothy
at 2022-01-04T17:15
去抱大陸好嗎
Valerie avatar
By Valerie
at 2021-12-31T20:22
得書豪者一統台灣籃壇
Valerie avatar
By Valerie
at 2022-01-04T17:15
當初留在美國搞不好真的有機會
Andy avatar
By Andy
at 2021-12-31T20:22
來幹嘛不是在對岸打得很棒棒
Charlie avatar
By Charlie
at 2022-01-04T17:15
去富邦跟弟弟連線
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By Regina
at 2021-12-31T20:22
現在不只演藝圈，連籃壇都被當收破爛的就對了...
John avatar
By John
at 2022-01-04T17:15
勇士收 來富邦跟弟弟搭檔
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By Isabella
at 2021-12-31T20:22
邦邦開挖
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By Ophelia
at 2022-01-04T17:15
上帝竟敢把我豪當沙包的門也關上
Ophelia avatar
By Ophelia
at 2021-12-31T20:22
再不留美國等機會嘛！
Jessica avatar
By Jessica
at 2022-01-04T17:15
如果他沒去中國至少有十天短約，上帝沒想放棄你的
Bennie avatar
By Bennie
at 2021-12-31T20:22
喔喔喔喔喔
Olivia avatar
By Olivia
at 2022-01-04T17:15
書豪來的話我還真的會去看
Enid avatar
By Enid
at 2021-12-31T20:22
1M買得到書豪嗎
Rae avatar
By Rae
at 2022-01-04T17:15
去了沒有上帝的中國 沒留美國也失去了上帝給的機會?
Lucy avatar
By Lucy
at 2021-12-31T20:22
台灣是最後的防線
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By Tristan Cohan
at 2022-01-04T17:15
命中率有點慘
Dora avatar
By Dora
at 2021-12-31T20:22
連cba都虐不了了
Rachel avatar
By Rachel
at 2022-01-04T17:15
富邦勇士應該會開到100萬美金吧
Brianna avatar
By Brianna
at 2021-12-31T20:22
建州已經準備好稱兄道弟了嗎
Olive avatar
By Olive
at 2022-01-04T17:15
是不得志? 還是實力退化? 還是...快溜!!??
Agnes avatar
By Agnes
at 2021-12-31T20:22
33歲就下滑這樣??
Noah avatar
By Noah
at 2022-01-04T17:15
攻城獅收吧 怎樣都比林明毅 田浩強
Cara avatar
By Cara
at 2021-12-31T20:22
台灣有缺沙包嗎
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By Hedda
at 2022-01-04T17:15
兄弟鬩牆
Michael avatar
By Michael
at 2021-12-31T20:22
桃園雲豹收
Gilbert avatar
By Gilbert
at 2022-01-04T17:15
雖然大家會酸豪豪 但他真的來了應該是場場爆滿
Lauren avatar
By Lauren
at 2021-12-31T20:22
終於淪落到台灣了嗎
Mason avatar
By Mason
at 2022-01-04T17:15
豪神降臨！
Harry avatar
By Harry
at 2021-12-31T20:22
沒留米國 最近十天觀光約應該上的去
Anonymous avatar
By Anonymous
at 2022-01-04T17:15
富邦勇士不是喊假的
Carol avatar
By Carol
at 2021-12-31T20:22
33歲了隨便開個五百萬就好了
Jessica avatar
By Jessica
at 2022-01-04T17:15
單從價高者得來講，大概只有中信跟富邦願意拿出那
麼多錢簽他吧
Delia avatar
By Delia
at 2021-12-31T20:22
台灣至少也要開年薪200萬美才有機會
Brianna avatar
By Brianna
at 2022-01-04T17:15
人民幣>>>>>>>上帝
Necoo avatar
By Necoo
at 2021-12-31T20:22
真的退化了 只能在CBA拿22分8助攻
Eden avatar
By Eden
at 2022-01-04T17:15
那真是太諷刺了書豪，你離開台灣繞了一大圈，最後
到達的境界，竟然是你不想打的，SBL的籃球，所以說
呢，人心最終還是要回到故鄉來的
Connor avatar
By Connor
at 2021-12-31T20:22
一定去看!!!!!
Ivy avatar
By Ivy
at 2022-01-04T17:15
看看小豬跟豪哥，就知道台灣專門收中國不要的
Dorothy avatar
By Dorothy
at 2021-12-31T20:22
想太多了，台灣哪可能有球隊會開到200萬美金，100
萬美金就很好了
Hardy avatar
By Hardy
at 2022-01-04T17:15
不好說 乞丐版豪哥都有那個價碼了XDDD
Anthony avatar
By Anthony
at 2021-12-31T20:22
豪神降臨~
Elizabeth avatar
By Elizabeth
at 2022-01-04T17:15
如果來台灣他會算洋將還是本土呢？？
Delia avatar
By Delia
at 2021-12-31T20:22
信仰不足
Brianna avatar
By Brianna
at 2022-01-04T17:15
來台灣被電吧
Caitlin avatar
By Caitlin
at 2021-12-31T20:22
書豪有我們志傑強嗎
Agatha avatar
By Agatha
at 2022-01-04T17:15
這樣看來打棒球真的難賺 大聯盟/3A回來一年頂多一千
多萬 CBA待不下去的老人回來超過3000萬 還不算本土
Agnes avatar
By Agnes
at 2021-12-31T20:22
上帝不幫你安排沒關係 建州會幫你
Jessica avatar
By Jessica
at 2022-01-04T17:15
來台只會上節目 跑趴吧
Hamiltion avatar
By Hamiltion
at 2021-12-31T20:22
太晚我們就
Olivia avatar
By Olivia
at 2022-01-04T17:15
太晚真的會沒得賺 目前好像沒啥薪資規定 爽拿XD
Delia avatar
By Delia
at 2021-12-31T20:22
和暴龍隊時期好像...
James avatar
By James
at 2022-01-04T17:15
好啊 他來我就去現場看個球
Emily avatar
By Emily
at 2021-12-31T20:22
可撥
Steve avatar
By Steve
at 2022-01-04T17:15
有夠可悲 台灣專門收人家不要的垃圾
Zora avatar
By Zora
at 2021-12-31T20:22
終於要加入勇士隊了嗎
Agnes avatar
By Agnes
at 2022-01-04T17:15
台灣真的是回收場耶 中國不要的藝人都往台灣丟
Lauren avatar
By Lauren
at 2021-12-31T20:22
富邦勇士出3000萬買新聞曝光應該沒問題吧～
Olga avatar
By Olga
at 2022-01-04T17:15
當初怎麼不留發展聯盟
Kumar avatar
By Kumar
at 2021-12-31T20:22
大陸沒上帝 所以沒神力了
Tracy avatar
By Tracy
at 2022-01-04T17:15
可以回台灣賺票房了
Mason avatar
By Mason
at 2021-12-31T20:22
滾啦共仔
Valerie avatar
By Valerie
at 2022-01-04T17:15
靠富爸爸出手了
Xanthe avatar
By Xanthe
at 2021-12-31T20:22
連CBA都混不下去 來台灣不會被電嗎
Una avatar
By Una
at 2022-01-04T17:15
來台灣的話，看笑話的人可以準備到現場丟東西了
Gilbert avatar
By Gilbert
at 2021-12-31T20:22
輸好
Donna avatar
By Donna
at 2022-01-04T17:15
總教練希臘人，名字跟字母真像
Yedda avatar
By Yedda
at 2021-12-31T20:22
回收
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By Suhail Hany
at 2022-01-04T17:15
兄弟合力
Doris avatar
By Doris
at 2021-12-31T20:22
太慘了～
Susan avatar
By Susan
at 2022-01-04T17:15
現在是當台灣籃壇是垃圾場嗎？其實還真的是
Erin avatar
By Erin
at 2021-12-31T20:22
可憐阿
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By Margaret
at 2022-01-04T17:15
豪繩再淋
Mia avatar
By Mia
at 2021-12-31T20:22
越打越低階
Emily avatar
By Emily
at 2022-01-04T17:15
不勝唏噓
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By Zenobia
at 2021-12-31T20:22
門票搶爆
Bennie avatar
By Bennie
at 2022-01-04T17:15
花蓮有球隊嗎
Caroline avatar
By Caroline
at 2021-12-31T20:22
三流貨色而已，干NBA板屁事？
Daniel avatar
By Daniel
at 2022-01-04T17:15
哈哈哈哈
Queena avatar
By Queena
at 2021-12-31T20:22
拜託 不要 好好當你的中國人就好
Kristin avatar
By Kristin
at 2022-01-04T17:15
當台籃是資源回收廠？笑死還真的是
Victoria avatar
By Victoria
at 2021-12-31T20:22
呃...覺得機會很低 不太可能來台啦
Jake avatar
By Jake
at 2022-01-04T17:15
連CBA都不行 來台灣也沒人想看吧
Faithe avatar
By Faithe
at 2021-12-31T20:22
台籃本來就是回收場阿 難道是球員第一首選嗎 笑死
Noah avatar
By Noah
at 2022-01-04T17:15
這綜藝咖垃圾還能在球界混喔
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By Blanche
at 2021-12-31T20:22
先回美國看有沒有十天短約
Irma avatar
By Irma
at 2022-01-04T17:15
來晚了 我們就不要了
Regina avatar
By Regina
at 2021-12-31T20:22
來台灣很多人會看的…
Elma avatar
By Elma
at 2022-01-04T17:15
笑死～
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By Skylar Davis
at 2021-12-31T20:22
豪神在p+一定混的風聲水起
Lily avatar
By Lily
at 2022-01-04T17:15
中華一番又預言惹 真滴神作
Dinah avatar
By Dinah
at 2021-12-31T20:22
本來就是勇士球員，無縫接軌
Noah avatar
By Noah
at 2022-01-04T17:15
這個臺灣黑水的盡頭
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By Kelly
at 2021-12-31T20:22
拜託別來，這麼愛中國就有骨氣一點留在中國
David avatar
By David
at 2022-01-04T17:15
當初NBA不留牠就是有原因，身體濫了還不誠實，扯什
歧視
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By Callum
at 2021-12-31T20:22
結果去CBA之間也沒養好，還更廢
Ula avatar
By Ula
at 2022-01-04T17:15
2分比志傑慘的外籍球星我是不看的
Adele avatar
By Adele
at 2021-12-31T20:22
亞洲人打輸吉布森 好像在哪部看過
Megan avatar
By Megan
at 2022-01-04T17:15
中國人算洋將缺吧？
Zenobia avatar
By Zenobia
at 2021-12-31T20:22
認真說來台或返美轉當教練，或許有機會延續他的籃球
夢
Madame avatar
By Madame
at 2022-01-04T17:15
台灣回收中心~~舔共仔會收的 善良的台灣人
Connor avatar
By Connor
at 2021-12-31T20:22
搞不好真的會來台灣打球
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By Sarah
at 2022-01-04T17:15
來台灣機率大。
Necoo avatar
By Necoo
at 2021-12-31T20:22
但CBA打完的話，可到NBA先試試有無短
約的機會？
Genevieve avatar
By Genevieve
at 2022-01-04T17:15
計畫通 打不好被釋出 NBA10天短約
Tracy avatar
By Tracy
at 2021-12-31T20:22
台灣的資源回收業那可是世界第一
Hedy avatar
By Hedy
at 2022-01-04T17:15
他現在跟當年差很多了吧，第一步不行了
Megan avatar
By Megan
at 2021-12-31T20:22
他看得上台灣的薪水嗎
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By Bethany
at 2022-01-04T17:15
上帝又出現了
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By Daph Bay
at 2021-12-31T20:22
說真的 豪哥回台打球我一定進場看
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By Freda
at 2022-01-04T17:15
宇宙勇要來了嗎 我是說P+
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By Quintina
at 2021-12-31T20:22
問題是台灣人沒人能打上NBA 棒球還是比較有機會
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By Eartha
at 2022-01-04T17:15
回來台灣我就進場!!!
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By Isabella
at 2021-12-31T20:22
豪神到p+ 祥祥開場 宏宏嘉賓 翻身大擂台
Sarah avatar
By Sarah
at 2022-01-04T17:15
不想看到舔中雙標的豪葛格來台灣蹭錢，當我們台灣
撿別人不要的？
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By Leila
at 2021-12-31T20:22
黑人又要來裝熟了
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By Poppy
at 2022-01-04T17:15
10年3000萬嗎
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By Selena
at 2021-12-31T20:22
NBA這麼缺人 來台灣搞笑嗎
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By Wallis
at 2022-01-04T17:15
我要看豪神降臨
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By Wallis
at 2021-12-31T20:22
3000萬太貴了
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By Skylar Davis
at 2022-01-04T17:15
書豪滾 去哪抵制到哪，雙標基督徒
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By Eartha
at 2021-12-31T20:22
我大建州已經熱身好了 裝熟裝起來
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By Caitlin
at 2022-01-04T17:15
[新聞] 感覺CBA放棄我了！林書豪爆哭大嘆：人生好難
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By Mason
at 2021-12-31T20:22
沒有上帝的國度
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By Ethan
at 2022-01-04T17:15
3000萬台幣？台灣有球隊出得起這價喔？都快有NBA底
薪水準了
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By Genevieve
at 2021-12-31T20:22
當個堂堂正正的中國人，有骨氣一點別來台灣
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By Steve
at 2022-01-04T17:15
豪神降臨
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By Freda
at 2021-12-31T20:22
天譴。然後來台灣也出包之類的
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By Vanessa
at 2022-01-04T17:15
到時候又哭著回來 感謝台灣才是我的國
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By John
at 2021-12-31T20:22
拜託不要
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By Lucy
at 2022-01-04T17:15
台灣暖
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By Gilbert
at 2021-12-31T20:22
太晚了 我們不要了
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By Hazel
at 2022-01-04T17:15
台灣真的是回收大本營耶....舔完還可以來回收
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By Isla
at 2021-12-31T20:22
快回來我買票看
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By Doris
at 2022-01-04T17:15
可以不要嗎
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By Enid
at 2021-12-31T20:22
CBA都不行了還妄想回NBA，繼續留在祖國被打就好！
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By Ethan
at 2022-01-04T17:15
台灣現在一堆洋將制霸 對上洋將的話可能無法了
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By Mary
at 2021-12-31T20:22
本土的話 還行
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By Barb Cronin
at 2022-01-04T17:15
希望不要來
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By Quanna
at 2021-12-31T20:22
滾 最看不起滿嘴信仰堅持又隨便拋棄的假掰仔
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By Suhail Hany
at 2022-01-04T17:15
滾 同樓上
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By Queena
at 2021-12-31T20:22
失望透了
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By Agnes
at 2022-01-04T17:15
300萬台幣都太貴
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By Leila
at 2021-12-31T20:22
祖國才是歸宿吧！過來幹嘛？
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By Margaret
at 2022-01-04T17:15
真‧兄弟籃球
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By Bennie
at 2021-12-31T20:22
不得志才來
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By Ula
at 2022-01-04T17:15
台灣又要回收了嗎？
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By Annie
at 2021-12-31T20:22
來台我就進場看球
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By Dorothy
at 2022-01-04T17:15
滾~~~~~別來台灣!!!
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By Catherine
at 2021-12-31T20:22
當臺灣資源回收廠喔？

爵士 @ 鵜鶘

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By Tristan Cohan
at 2022-01-04T08:40
NBA Regular Season 2021-22 Utah Jazz vs New Orleans Pelicans 比賽將於稍後 09:00 開始。 先發位置、名單： 爵士隊 PG Mike Conley SG Donovan Mitchell SF Bojan Bogdanovic PF ...

活塞 @ 公鹿

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By Freda
at 2022-01-04T08:38
NBA Regular Season 2021-22 Detroit Pistons vs Milwaukee Bucks 比賽將於稍後 09:00 開始。 先發位置、名單： 活塞隊 PG Killian Hayes SG Cade Cunningham SF Hamidou Diallo PF ...

魔術 @ 公牛

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By Mia
at 2022-01-04T08:37
NBA Regular Season 2021-22 Orlando Magic vs Chicago Bulls 比賽將於稍後 09:00 開始。 先發位置、名單： 魔術隊 PG Tim Frazier SG Gary Harris SF Franz Wagner PF Wendell Car ...

76人跟Charlie Brown Jr.簽10天約

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By Charlotte
at 2022-01-04T08:24
The Sixers have signed Charlie Brown Jr. to a 10-day hardship deal after Tyrese Maxey and Matisse Thybulle entered the leagueand#39;s health and safety pro ...

灰熊 @ 籃網

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By Doris
at 2022-01-04T08:11
NBA Regular Season 2021-22 Memphis Grizzlies vs Brooklyn Nets 比賽將於稍後 08:30 開始。 先發位置、名單： 灰熊隊 PG Ja Morant SG Desmond Bane SF Killian Tillie PF Jaren ...