探討大前鋒為何比其他位置低了一截 - NBA
By Robert
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at 2016-11-22T13:56
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一直以來 總是有人說鄧肯的職業生涯多麼穩定
19年全部都有季後賽可以打 連續17年50+勝
甚至還有人以此事實 去把鄧肯凌駕在其他能排進歷史前十的球星之上
尤其是老大
以上論述看似合理 但仔細想想卻會發現其荒謬性!
「職業生涯」這四個字明顯的是用在講個人表現~
既然如此 我們怎麼能拿一個「球員所屬球隊的表現」
去判斷該球員的穩定性呢???球隊表現是有隊友跟教練影響的
看該球員歷年來的各種個人數據才正確 是否是否?
鄧肯的效率向來都超高沒有錯
但那是他從生涯第九年開始刻意減少上場時間的情況下做到的
如果把菁英級平均數據定義為
球員的得分+(籃板+助攻)*2>=50或是場均有25分以上的話
鄧肯他19年的生涯中不但只完成六次 而且「自從第8年」以後就再也沒達標
反觀老大20年生涯有12年繳出菁英級數據
當中包含「連續9年」達標
到35歲都還有菁英級數據的表現
告訴我 有多少球員可以打超過35歲?
回答完這個問題 你就知道老大的穩定性有多可怕了
另外
那段長達九年的期間內 他在每季都出手至少20次的條件下
還能保持45%命中率!平均上場時間接近40分鐘......
35歲那年依舊上場38分鐘!甚至34歲時還去打奧運呢!
更不用說他曾經受過數次大傷硬是為球隊忍痛打球 搞到手指都變形了
卻繼續咬牙撐下去 然後繳出跟年輕時一樣的效率
而且說真的 他那段黃金期的PER值一直都很高!
是生涯開頭跟大傷後拖累平均的
大傷前他的帳面數據和PER值都能繼續跟比自己年輕的巨星抗衡
事實上不只老大
其他幾位註定前十的球星如Jordan Jabbar Russell Magic O'Neal James Bird等人
也都有辦法連續十年以上繳出菁英級數據
儘管他們有些人無法在35歲時繼續當菁英
但至少有從生涯第一年就連續開了十年以上的外掛
而這又更恐怖了 可以在菜鳥年就躋身菁英之列
(老大等了數年才變菁英)
由此可見 從「平均帳目數據」上看 鄧肯就是絕對不能跟以上這幾位相提並論
因為他「沒辦法長年同時維持菁英級平均帳面數據和效率」
也許鄧肯可以憑著他的獎項數目和帶隊能力壓過老大
但請不要忘記 老大僅僅是史上第二的得分後衛喔!
如果把鄧肯抓去和史上第一的中鋒 小前鋒 得分後衛 控球後衛比較
會發現鄧肯的「獎項數目」是完完全全被修理一頓
看MVP+FMVP的總和就知道了。
即便是冠軍 他也穩輸當中兩位 打平其中一位
只多史上第一的小前鋒(you know you)兩座 但那位小前鋒還有大約三年的爭冠機會
更不用講他沒有做到的連霸是另外四個位置的第一名都有完成一次以上的成就
甚至把他抓去跟第二中鋒相比 他也是會在冠軍與獎項上輸慘慘
大前鋒這個位置的第一名明顯遜於得分後衛及控球後衛的第一人
甚至中鋒位置還要一次慘輸兩個球員 僅跟第三中鋒打成平手
就算是和小前鋒比較 他也只能與第一小前鋒和第二小前鋒鬥成平手
所以說大前鋒是史上最弱的位置真的不為過
理性討論 懂?
--
謙卑 謙卑 再謙卑!
http://i.imgur.com/yFL5hKq.jpg
--
19年全部都有季後賽可以打 連續17年50+勝
甚至還有人以此事實 去把鄧肯凌駕在其他能排進歷史前十的球星之上
尤其是老大
以上論述看似合理 但仔細想想卻會發現其荒謬性!
「職業生涯」這四個字明顯的是用在講個人表現~
既然如此 我們怎麼能拿一個「球員所屬球隊的表現」
去判斷該球員的穩定性呢???球隊表現是有隊友跟教練影響的
看該球員歷年來的各種個人數據才正確 是否是否?
鄧肯的效率向來都超高沒有錯
但那是他從生涯第九年開始刻意減少上場時間的情況下做到的
如果把菁英級平均數據定義為
球員的得分+(籃板+助攻)*2>=50或是場均有25分以上的話
鄧肯他19年的生涯中不但只完成六次 而且「自從第8年」以後就再也沒達標
反觀老大20年生涯有12年繳出菁英級數據
當中包含「連續9年」達標
到35歲都還有菁英級數據的表現
告訴我 有多少球員可以打超過35歲?
回答完這個問題 你就知道老大的穩定性有多可怕了
另外
那段長達九年的期間內 他在每季都出手至少20次的條件下
還能保持45%命中率!平均上場時間接近40分鐘......
35歲那年依舊上場38分鐘!甚至34歲時還去打奧運呢!
更不用說他曾經受過數次大傷硬是為球隊忍痛打球 搞到手指都變形了
卻繼續咬牙撐下去 然後繳出跟年輕時一樣的效率
而且說真的 他那段黃金期的PER值一直都很高!
是生涯開頭跟大傷後拖累平均的
大傷前他的帳面數據和PER值都能繼續跟比自己年輕的巨星抗衡
事實上不只老大
其他幾位註定前十的球星如Jordan Jabbar Russell Magic O'Neal James Bird等人
也都有辦法連續十年以上繳出菁英級數據
儘管他們有些人無法在35歲時繼續當菁英
但至少有從生涯第一年就連續開了十年以上的外掛
而這又更恐怖了 可以在菜鳥年就躋身菁英之列
(老大等了數年才變菁英)
由此可見 從「平均帳目數據」上看 鄧肯就是絕對不能跟以上這幾位相提並論
因為他「沒辦法長年同時維持菁英級平均帳面數據和效率」
也許鄧肯可以憑著他的獎項數目和帶隊能力壓過老大
但請不要忘記 老大僅僅是史上第二的得分後衛喔!
如果把鄧肯抓去和史上第一的中鋒 小前鋒 得分後衛 控球後衛比較
會發現鄧肯的「獎項數目」是完完全全被修理一頓
看MVP+FMVP的總和就知道了。
即便是冠軍 他也穩輸當中兩位 打平其中一位
只多史上第一的小前鋒(you know you)兩座 但那位小前鋒還有大約三年的爭冠機會
更不用講他沒有做到的連霸是另外四個位置的第一名都有完成一次以上的成就
甚至把他抓去跟第二中鋒相比 他也是會在冠軍與獎項上輸慘慘
大前鋒這個位置的第一名明顯遜於得分後衛及控球後衛的第一人
甚至中鋒位置還要一次慘輸兩個球員 僅跟第三中鋒打成平手
就算是和小前鋒比較 他也只能與第一小前鋒和第二小前鋒鬥成平手
所以說大前鋒是史上最弱的位置真的不為過
理性討論 懂?
--
謙卑 謙卑 再謙卑!
http://i.imgur.com/yFL5hKq.jpg
--
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