投手投球出手點高低的影響? - 美國職棒

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作者: Amygo (心在何方) 看板: Baseball
標題: [討論] 投手投球出手點高低的影響?
時間: Thu Feb 18 21:03:28 2021
大家可能聽過一個理論
投手的出手點高
則球進壘的角度會越陡
打者較難以攻擊
相反若出手點低
則球的進壘角度會平
打者會較容易掌握
尤其影響速球的威力
達比修、田中 都曾被說出手點偏低
導致速球容易挨長打
然真的是這樣子嗎?
又要多高才算夠高?
好奇用STATCAST撈了一下MLB數據
先說明大部分投手變化球出手點會比速球低一些
因為各球種使用比例不同
我先只取4縫線速球來分析
2020 年 MLB 總共投出4縫線 89788球
出手點高度平均為5.89ft (179.5cm)
那麼取5.89以上和以下的woba來看
出手點高度在5.89以上的4縫線
占比51.4% 平均高度為6.23 wOBA為0.352
出手點高度在5.89以下的4縫線
占比49.5% 平均高度為5.53 wOBA為0.348
數據看得出來,兩組差了約21公分高
然而wOBA相差無幾...
出手點低的甚至些微好點
現在來看各個投手平均出手點高度
(至少投300顆4-SEAM,依出手點低到高排列)
姓名 球數 總投球數 占比 出手點高度(ft)
Freddy Peralta 364 553 65.8 5.05
Andrew Heaney 627 1085 57.8 5.25
Ryan Castellani 365 757 48.2 5.32
Deivi Garcia 317 532 59.6 5.33
Jose Cisnero 303 519 58.4 5.42
Logan Webb 336 998 33.7 5.47
Jack Flaherty 318 719 44.2 5.47
Jacob deGrom 510 1135 44.9 5.49
Cristian Javier 560 889 63.0 5.51
Max Scherzer 558 1213 46.0 5.53
Trevor Williams 434 1017 42.7 5.53
Johnny Cueto 369 1145 32.2 5.53
Luis Castillo 312 1153 27.1 5.54
Jon Gray 318 658 48.3 5.59
Kolby Allard 307 658 46.7 5.60
Gerrit Cole 635 1203 52.8 5.61
Trevor Bauer 476 1165 40.9 5.62
Tyler Mahle 468 852 54.9 5.64
Shane Bieber 463 1238 37.4 5.68
Asher Wojciechowski 310 674 46.0 5.69
Luke Weaver 523 968 54.0 5.71
Trevor Rogers 308 568 54.2 5.71
Vince Velasquez 343 650 52.8 5.71
Justin Dunn 429 801 53.6 5.72
Lance Lynn 702 1408 49.9 5.73
Zack Wheeler 454 1078 42.1 5.74
Garrett Richards365 788 46.3 5.75
Jake McGee 320 332 96.4 5.76
Austin Voth 546 895 61.0 5.76
Spencer Turnbull434 963 45.1 5.76
Carlos Carrasco 374 1101 34.0 5.77
Kris Bubic 505 932 54.2 5.78
Walker Buehler 323 600 53.8 5.82
Matthew Boyd 546 1086 50.3 5.82
Jesus Luzardo 307 940 32.7 5.83
Antonio Senzatela 635 1136 55.9 5.83
Danny Duffy 372 943 39.4 5.85
Keegan Akin 310 500 62.0 5.86
Mike Minor 496 979 50.7 5.87
---------聯盟平均線 5.89 -------------------
Yusei Kikuchi 300 795 37.7 5.93
Brandon Woodruff418 1211 34.5 5.93
Zac Gallen 436 1117 39.0 5.95
Griffin Canning 393 965 40.7 5.98
David Peterson 304 812 37.4 5.99
Max Fried 376 899 41.8 6.00
Kevin Gausman 479 975 49.1 6.01
Tyler Glasnow 584 964 60.6 6.05
Julio Urias 489 875 55.9 6.07
Robbie Ray 503 1064 47.3 6.08
Nick Margevicius435 679 64.1 6.10
Chad Green 314 425 73.9 6.13
Dylan Bundy 342 1018 33.6 6.15
Jordan Lyles 432 993 43.5 6.16
J.A. Happ 349 787 44.3 6.18
Brent Suter 369 516 71.5 6.18
Dinelson Lamet 390 1046 37.3 6.19
Tony Gonsolin 335 705 47.5 6.20
Clayton Kershaw 365 888 41.1 6.21
German Marquez 464 1226 37.8 6.24
Taylor Clarke 320 703 45.5 6.26
Chris Paddack 560 963 58.2 6.27
Tyler Anderson 388 954 40.7 6.30
Dylan Cease 519 1085 47.8 6.32
Zack Greinke 437 1060 41.2 6.34
Tarik Skubal 348 591 58.9 6.36
Josh Staumont 321 472 68.0 6.40
Brad Keller 329 858 38.3 6.40
Lucas Giolito 614 1214 50.6 6.49
John Means 390 745 52.3 6.50
Blake Snell 441 872 50.6 6.52
Taijuan Walker 338 884 38.2 6.56
Daniel Ponce de Leon 395 646 61.1 6.65
Ross Stripling 355 815 43.6 6.97
結果看來
相當多的ACE是低於聯盟平均線
包含兩聯盟的CY、地瓜、Castillo、Buehler
但高聯盟聯盟平均線也不乏強投
本篇不是要說出手點高沒用
而是影響也許不如某些傳統觀點那麼大
大家覺得呢?
補:達比修 5.77 田中5.35 前田5.71
--
作者: Amygo (心在何方) 看板: Baseball
標題: [討論] 投手投球出手點高低的影響?
時間: Thu Feb 18 21:03:28 2021
大家可能聽過一個理論
投手的出手點高
則球進壘的角度會越陡
打者較難以攻擊
相反若出手點低
則球的進壘角度會平
打者會較容易掌握
尤其影響速球的威力
達比修、田中 都曾被說出手點偏低
導致速球容易挨長打
然真的是這樣子嗎?
又要多高才算夠高?
好奇用STATCAST撈了一下MLB數據
先說明大部分投手變化球出手點會比速球低一些
因為各球種使用比例不同
我先只取4縫線速球來分析
2020 年 MLB 總共投出4縫線 89788球
出手點高度平均為5.89ft (179.5cm)
那麼取5.89以上和以下的woba來看
出手點高度在5.89以上的4縫線
占比51.4% 平均高度為6.23 wOBA為0.352
出手點高度在5.89以下的4縫線
占比49.5% 平均高度為5.53 wOBA為0.348
數據看得出來,兩組差了約21公分高
然而wOBA相差無幾...
出手點低的甚至些微好點
現在來看各個投手平均出手點高度
(至少投300顆4-SEAM,依出手點低到高排列)
姓名 球數 總投球數 占比 出手點高度(ft)
Freddy Peralta 364 553 65.8 5.05
Andrew Heaney 627 1085 57.8 5.25
Ryan Castellani 365 757 48.2 5.32
Deivi Garcia 317 532 59.6 5.33
Jose Cisnero 303 519 58.4 5.42
Logan Webb 336 998 33.7 5.47
Jack Flaherty 318 719 44.2 5.47
Jacob deGrom 510 1135 44.9 5.49
Cristian Javier 560 889 63.0 5.51
Max Scherzer 558 1213 46.0 5.53
Trevor Williams 434 1017 42.7 5.53
Johnny Cueto 369 1145 32.2 5.53
Luis Castillo 312 1153 27.1 5.54
Jon Gray 318 658 48.3 5.59
Kolby Allard 307 658 46.7 5.60
Gerrit Cole 635 1203 52.8 5.61
Trevor Bauer 476 1165 40.9 5.62
Tyler Mahle 468 852 54.9 5.64
Shane Bieber 463 1238 37.4 5.68
Asher Wojciechowski 310 674 46.0 5.69
Luke Weaver 523 968 54.0 5.71
Trevor Rogers 308 568 54.2 5.71
Vince Velasquez 343 650 52.8 5.71
Justin Dunn 429 801 53.6 5.72
Lance Lynn 702 1408 49.9 5.73
Zack Wheeler 454 1078 42.1 5.74
Garrett Richards365 788 46.3 5.75
Jake McGee 320 332 96.4 5.76
Austin Voth 546 895 61.0 5.76
Spencer Turnbull434 963 45.1 5.76
Carlos Carrasco 374 1101 34.0 5.77
Kris Bubic 505 932 54.2 5.78
Walker Buehler 323 600 53.8 5.82
Matthew Boyd 546 1086 50.3 5.82
Jesus Luzardo 307 940 32.7 5.83
Antonio Senzatela 635 1136 55.9 5.83
Danny Duffy 372 943 39.4 5.85
Keegan Akin 310 500 62.0 5.86
Mike Minor 496 979 50.7 5.87
---------聯盟平均線 5.89 -------------------
Yusei Kikuchi 300 795 37.7 5.93
Brandon Woodruff418 1211 34.5 5.93
Zac Gallen 436 1117 39.0 5.95
Griffin Canning 393 965 40.7 5.98
David Peterson 304 812 37.4 5.99
Max Fried 376 899 41.8 6.00
Kevin Gausman 479 975 49.1 6.01
Tyler Glasnow 584 964 60.6 6.05
Julio Urias 489 875 55.9 6.07
Robbie Ray 503 1064 47.3 6.08
Nick Margevicius435 679 64.1 6.10
Chad Green 314 425 73.9 6.13
Dylan Bundy 342 1018 33.6 6.15
Jordan Lyles 432 993 43.5 6.16
J.A. Happ 349 787 44.3 6.18
Brent Suter 369 516 71.5 6.18
Dinelson Lamet 390 1046 37.3 6.19
Tony Gonsolin 335 705 47.5 6.20
Clayton Kershaw 365 888 41.1 6.21
German Marquez 464 1226 37.8 6.24
Taylor Clarke 320 703 45.5 6.26
Chris Paddack 560 963 58.2 6.27
Tyler Anderson 388 954 40.7 6.30
Dylan Cease 519 1085 47.8 6.32
Zack Greinke 437 1060 41.2 6.34
Tarik Skubal 348 591 58.9 6.36
Josh Staumont 321 472 68.0 6.40
Brad Keller 329 858 38.3 6.40
Lucas Giolito 614 1214 50.6 6.49
John Means 390 745 52.3 6.50
Blake Snell 441 872 50.6 6.52
Taijuan Walker 338 884 38.2 6.56
Daniel Ponce de Leon 395 646 61.1 6.65
Ross Stripling 355 815 43.6 6.97
結果看來
相當多的ACE是低於聯盟平均線
包含兩聯盟的CY、地瓜、Castillo、Buehler
但高聯盟聯盟平均線也不乏強投
本篇不是要說出手點高沒用
而是影響也許不如某些傳統觀點那麼大
大家覺得呢?
補:達比修 5.77 田中5.35 前田5.71
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