快艇當年交易CP3算正確嗎? - NBA

By William
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※ 引述《f22313467 (軍曹)》之銘言:
: 當年快艇為了重建計畫,
: 直接把雙塔和CP3交易掉,當年CP3也交易到火箭,
(中略)
: 想問以當時的狀況來看,快艇交易CP3的選擇算正確的嗎?
這邊不太對。
CP3當年「原本」是要跳出合約(ETO),變成完全自由球員。
快艇雖然有機會用五年200M簽回CP3,但也可能簽不回,
因為那時候CP3對一直在季後賽被淘汰已經有點累了。
2011-12 教練Del Negro 二輪被馬刺橫掃
2012-13 教練Del Negro 首輪2-4輸給灰熊
2013-14 教練Doc Rivers 二輪2-4輸給雷霆(註1)
2014-15 教練Doc Rivers 二輪3-1領先後,被火箭連贏三場逆轉
2015-16 教練Doc Rivers 首輪2-4輸給拓荒者
2016-17 教練Doc Rivers 首輪3-4輸給爵士
註1:
那年被稱為「黑雷」,可以看這個G5最後一分鐘
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drrIQLTdvoY
CP3在快艇整整六年,連西決地板都沒摸到過。
那年夏天預期馬刺會出手爭取CP3,甚至薪資空間都有機會給出頂薪。
可以看當年IBIZA的文:
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1495904893.A.00B.html
但在交易市場即將開始的前三天,發生了驚天動地的大交易。
: → live147222 : CP3本來就沒要留吧,執行球員選項是讓快艇可以交易 07/01 19:45
: → live147222 : 他換資產 07/01 19:45
: → dragon803 : 你要先搞清楚時空背景,不是快艇想賣他,是CP3先跟 07/01 20:10
: → dragon803 : 火箭講好才Opt in合約然後交易的 07/01 20:10
這是一個非常誇張的交易。
火箭送出七名球員跟2018首輪(被快艇拿去交易Gallinari)跟現金:
Lou Williams, Patrick Beverley, Montrezl Harrell,
Sam Dekker, Darrun Hilliard, DeAndre Liggins, Kyle Wiltjer
But,這個but很重要。
其中有兩名球員是交易這一天從別隊買來的。
DeAndre Liggins,跟小牛買來,該年薪資1M,隔年非保證。
Darrun Hilliard,跟活塞買來,該年薪資0.8M,隔年非保證。
買來幹嘛?當成「人肉版交易特例」,簡稱「人肉TE」。
NBA在交易時有時會產生「交易特例,TE」,但TE規定是不能合併使用的,
當時的火箭總管莫雷就鑽到漏洞,買球員來充當交易薪資對稱的法碼。
TE本身不能合併用,但球員薪資可以合併計算,這就是所謂的人肉TE。
雖然NBA官方以「交易時必須要以保障合約計算」這招堵上的非保障球員薪資交易的洞,
但是,這個規定要在2017/07/01才生效,CP3交易發生在2017/06/28。
早了兩天,莫雷可以拿非保障薪資去交易。
所以果不其然的,Liggins跟Hilliard馬上被快艇釋出,Wiltjer多撐了15天也被釋出。
因此,實質上並不能說是拆了火箭半隊啦,
其中有三個是人肉TE(笑),兩個還是當天買來的(這轉手速度真快)。
CP3這樣子不跳出,選擇交易的重點是,保住了火箭的籌碼。
第一點,火箭有全額中產,後來他們簽下P.J. Tucker (四年32M)
第二點,火箭仍有Eric Gordon、Ryan Anderson、Clint Capela、Trevor Ariza
在用非鳥續約Nene之後,陣容上也還算整齊。
而且當時火箭又買來一堆人肉TE(喂):
Ryan Kelly、Tim Quarterman、Shawn Long、Jarrod Uthoff
傳說中,火箭是想跟尼克換來Melo(用RA+人肉TE+首輪),板上文章:
#1PZE4Dpq (NBA)
不過最後火箭失敗了,Melo被交易到了雷霆。
人肉TE的最後一位Shawn Long,也在Melo無望的隔天遭到釋出(笑)
大概是這樣。
而對CP3來說,這一季打進西區冠軍賽,終於這輩子第一次摸到西決地板,
甚至一度3-2領先KD勇,最後又是傷勢的關係,功虧一簣。
但本來2017年夏天就準備簽下頂薪的他,
火箭當然也必須回報他晚了一年進到自由球員市場,2018夏天續約,
四年160M,也就是他目前正在跑的這張約,明年44M有球員選擇權。
以上,一點文獻回顧。
--
: 當年快艇為了重建計畫,
: 直接把雙塔和CP3交易掉,當年CP3也交易到火箭,
(中略)
: 想問以當時的狀況來看,快艇交易CP3的選擇算正確的嗎?
這邊不太對。
CP3當年「原本」是要跳出合約(ETO),變成完全自由球員。
快艇雖然有機會用五年200M簽回CP3,但也可能簽不回,
因為那時候CP3對一直在季後賽被淘汰已經有點累了。
2011-12 教練Del Negro 二輪被馬刺橫掃
2012-13 教練Del Negro 首輪2-4輸給灰熊
2013-14 教練Doc Rivers 二輪2-4輸給雷霆(註1)
2014-15 教練Doc Rivers 二輪3-1領先後,被火箭連贏三場逆轉
2015-16 教練Doc Rivers 首輪2-4輸給拓荒者
2016-17 教練Doc Rivers 首輪3-4輸給爵士
註1:
那年被稱為「黑雷」,可以看這個G5最後一分鐘
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drrIQLTdvoY
CP3在快艇整整六年,連西決地板都沒摸到過。
那年夏天預期馬刺會出手爭取CP3,甚至薪資空間都有機會給出頂薪。
可以看當年IBIZA的文:
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1495904893.A.00B.html
但在交易市場即將開始的前三天,發生了驚天動地的大交易。
: → live147222 : CP3本來就沒要留吧,執行球員選項是讓快艇可以交易 07/01 19:45
: → live147222 : 他換資產 07/01 19:45
: → dragon803 : 你要先搞清楚時空背景,不是快艇想賣他,是CP3先跟 07/01 20:10
: → dragon803 : 火箭講好才Opt in合約然後交易的 07/01 20:10
這是一個非常誇張的交易。
火箭送出七名球員跟2018首輪(被快艇拿去交易Gallinari)跟現金:
Lou Williams, Patrick Beverley, Montrezl Harrell,
Sam Dekker, Darrun Hilliard, DeAndre Liggins, Kyle Wiltjer
But,這個but很重要。
其中有兩名球員是交易這一天從別隊買來的。
DeAndre Liggins,跟小牛買來,該年薪資1M,隔年非保證。
Darrun Hilliard,跟活塞買來,該年薪資0.8M,隔年非保證。
買來幹嘛?當成「人肉版交易特例」,簡稱「人肉TE」。
NBA在交易時有時會產生「交易特例,TE」,但TE規定是不能合併使用的,
當時的火箭總管莫雷就鑽到漏洞,買球員來充當交易薪資對稱的法碼。
TE本身不能合併用,但球員薪資可以合併計算,這就是所謂的人肉TE。
雖然NBA官方以「交易時必須要以保障合約計算」這招堵上的非保障球員薪資交易的洞,
但是,這個規定要在2017/07/01才生效,CP3交易發生在2017/06/28。
早了兩天,莫雷可以拿非保障薪資去交易。
所以果不其然的,Liggins跟Hilliard馬上被快艇釋出,Wiltjer多撐了15天也被釋出。
因此,實質上並不能說是拆了火箭半隊啦,
其中有三個是人肉TE(笑),兩個還是當天買來的(這轉手速度真快)。
CP3這樣子不跳出,選擇交易的重點是,保住了火箭的籌碼。
第一點,火箭有全額中產,後來他們簽下P.J. Tucker (四年32M)
第二點,火箭仍有Eric Gordon、Ryan Anderson、Clint Capela、Trevor Ariza
在用非鳥續約Nene之後,陣容上也還算整齊。
而且當時火箭又買來一堆人肉TE(喂):
Ryan Kelly、Tim Quarterman、Shawn Long、Jarrod Uthoff
傳說中,火箭是想跟尼克換來Melo(用RA+人肉TE+首輪),板上文章:
#1PZE4Dpq (NBA)
不過最後火箭失敗了,Melo被交易到了雷霆。
人肉TE的最後一位Shawn Long,也在Melo無望的隔天遭到釋出(笑)
大概是這樣。
而對CP3來說,這一季打進西區冠軍賽,終於這輩子第一次摸到西決地板,
甚至一度3-2領先KD勇,最後又是傷勢的關係,功虧一簣。
但本來2017年夏天就準備簽下頂薪的他,
火箭當然也必須回報他晚了一年進到自由球員市場,2018夏天續約,
四年160M,也就是他目前正在跑的這張約,明年44M有球員選擇權。
以上,一點文獻回顧。
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