巔峰Howard跟Jokic各位覺得哪個強? - NBA
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※ 引述《amdvega (++AMD☆Vega☆++)》之銘言:
: 但吹他的進攻就省省吧
: 不說巔峰那幾年,就說10~19年間
: 幾乎每個休賽季都有魔獸要開發新武器的新聞
: 舉凡勾射、中距離、低位腳步,都頗有架式
: 然後一開季又全都還回去
: 每年這樣到後面板上都懶得去期待了
你說他進攻不行 那是跟一大堆低位大師比確實不行
不要這麼看沒有魔獸,人家只是進攻技巧不好 不代表進攻不好
老魔獸證明巔峰的他來現代也絕對超好用
魔獸去年季後賽對位小丑差距一目了然
老魔獸對位都還能限制小丑 更遑論巔峰版的他
少數能拿去跟歐肥比的人 結果比輸了被一堆人以為是垃圾
: 另外帶隊過姆斯進冠軍賽那年很常被拿出來說
: 也是少數把曾經進總決賽拿來當榮譽的
: 事實上他不僅沒拿到冠軍,打的也很普通
: 總決賽場均只剩15+15
: 禁區作戰為主的他命中率更低到未滿五成
PPG FG% RPG APG SPG BPG
魔獸 21.7 .622 15.4 1.8 0.7 2.2 該年季後賽對陣湖人前
15.4 .488 15.2 2.2 1.6 4.0 該年季後賽對陣湖人
小丑 25.4 .515 10.8 6.0 0.7 0.9 該年季後賽對陣湖人前
21.5 .532 7.2 5.0 2.0 0.4 該年季後賽對陣湖人
也是啦 魔獸這叫打的普通 那去年的小丑對上湖人叫做?
別忘了跟小丑對位的是大傷後34歲的魔獸
小丑對位比自己老10歲又大傷的球員 結果居然沒輾爆???
: 別說什麼湖人有三塔,當年敗男就一個20出頭的菜鳥,上場時間都不到20分鐘
: 甲獸跟odom的禁區摸著良心講很難打嗎?
當年魔獸不也是20出頭的球員嗎XD
爵士 賽季場均得失分103.6/100.9 季後賽對上湖人 97.4/106.6
火箭 賽季場均得失分 98.4/ 95.4 季後賽對上湖人 90.5/ 97.8
金塊 賽季場均得失分104.3/100.9 季後賽對上湖人 102.0/105.6
魔術 賽季場均得失分101.0/ 94.4 季後賽對上湖人 91.2/100.6
以上四隊當年在季後賽對上湖人不就很明顯進攻下降 防守也守不住湖人嗎XD
不知道這樣算不算很難打啦
: 一直吹他進攻還嗆人沒看過巔峰魔獸就很搞笑
魔獸的進攻並沒有想像中的那麼不堪
也絕對不是所謂進攻的「拖油瓶」
最大的問題是沒有使用自己最大的效率來得分
進攻技巧不好 不代表進攻不好
amdvega:強調魔獸的進攻有多差 人家德佬有把三塔放在眼裡?
PPG FG% RPG APG SPG BPG 2008-2009
Dirk Nowitzki 25.9 .479 8.4 2.4 0.8 0.8 賽季平均
17.6 .353 8.3 2.3 1.3 1.0 對位Gasol
Pau Gasol 18.9 .567 9.6 3.5 0.6 1.0 賽季平均
20.3 .679 8.6 2.6 0.3 1.6 對位Nowitzki
德佬當年有沒有把三塔放在眼裡是不知道啦
畢竟當年火車男在賽季大部分時間都是DNP
真正扛禁區的大多都是Gasol Odom
不過德佬當年對上湖人可是精美的0W-3L
對位Gasol 那精美的....數據 也是蠻不放在眼裡的XD
實際上
魔獸防守輾壓小丑 小丑進攻優於魔獸
魔獸的進攻並沒有想像中的那麼不堪
同年齡的魔獸已經把個人榮譽拿好拿滿 帶隊打到總冠軍賽
小丑個人榮譽就不說了 連西冠都衝不過去
對上老10歲的魔獸 居然沒輾爆還被守到犯規纏身
另外也別過度貶低當時湖人的防守跟禁區
有時候不要為了反對而反對
被人拿數據出來打臉會很丟臉的
--
: 但吹他的進攻就省省吧
: 不說巔峰那幾年,就說10~19年間
: 幾乎每個休賽季都有魔獸要開發新武器的新聞
: 舉凡勾射、中距離、低位腳步,都頗有架式
: 然後一開季又全都還回去
: 每年這樣到後面板上都懶得去期待了
你說他進攻不行 那是跟一大堆低位大師比確實不行
不要這麼看沒有魔獸,人家只是進攻技巧不好 不代表進攻不好
老魔獸證明巔峰的他來現代也絕對超好用
魔獸去年季後賽對位小丑差距一目了然
老魔獸對位都還能限制小丑 更遑論巔峰版的他
少數能拿去跟歐肥比的人 結果比輸了被一堆人以為是垃圾
: 另外帶隊過姆斯進冠軍賽那年很常被拿出來說
: 也是少數把曾經進總決賽拿來當榮譽的
: 事實上他不僅沒拿到冠軍,打的也很普通
: 總決賽場均只剩15+15
: 禁區作戰為主的他命中率更低到未滿五成
PPG FG% RPG APG SPG BPG
魔獸 21.7 .622 15.4 1.8 0.7 2.2 該年季後賽對陣湖人前
15.4 .488 15.2 2.2 1.6 4.0 該年季後賽對陣湖人
小丑 25.4 .515 10.8 6.0 0.7 0.9 該年季後賽對陣湖人前
21.5 .532 7.2 5.0 2.0 0.4 該年季後賽對陣湖人
也是啦 魔獸這叫打的普通 那去年的小丑對上湖人叫做?
別忘了跟小丑對位的是大傷後34歲的魔獸
小丑對位比自己老10歲又大傷的球員 結果居然沒輾爆???
: 別說什麼湖人有三塔,當年敗男就一個20出頭的菜鳥,上場時間都不到20分鐘
: 甲獸跟odom的禁區摸著良心講很難打嗎?
當年魔獸不也是20出頭的球員嗎XD
爵士 賽季場均得失分103.6/100.9 季後賽對上湖人 97.4/106.6
火箭 賽季場均得失分 98.4/ 95.4 季後賽對上湖人 90.5/ 97.8
金塊 賽季場均得失分104.3/100.9 季後賽對上湖人 102.0/105.6
魔術 賽季場均得失分101.0/ 94.4 季後賽對上湖人 91.2/100.6
以上四隊當年在季後賽對上湖人不就很明顯進攻下降 防守也守不住湖人嗎XD
不知道這樣算不算很難打啦
: 一直吹他進攻還嗆人沒看過巔峰魔獸就很搞笑
魔獸的進攻並沒有想像中的那麼不堪
也絕對不是所謂進攻的「拖油瓶」
最大的問題是沒有使用自己最大的效率來得分
進攻技巧不好 不代表進攻不好
amdvega:強調魔獸的進攻有多差 人家德佬有把三塔放在眼裡?
PPG FG% RPG APG SPG BPG 2008-2009
Dirk Nowitzki 25.9 .479 8.4 2.4 0.8 0.8 賽季平均
17.6 .353 8.3 2.3 1.3 1.0 對位Gasol
Pau Gasol 18.9 .567 9.6 3.5 0.6 1.0 賽季平均
20.3 .679 8.6 2.6 0.3 1.6 對位Nowitzki
德佬當年有沒有把三塔放在眼裡是不知道啦
畢竟當年火車男在賽季大部分時間都是DNP
真正扛禁區的大多都是Gasol Odom
不過德佬當年對上湖人可是精美的0W-3L
對位Gasol 那精美的....數據 也是蠻不放在眼裡的XD
實際上
魔獸防守輾壓小丑 小丑進攻優於魔獸
魔獸的進攻並沒有想像中的那麼不堪
同年齡的魔獸已經把個人榮譽拿好拿滿 帶隊打到總冠軍賽
小丑個人榮譽就不說了 連西冠都衝不過去
對上老10歲的魔獸 居然沒輾爆還被守到犯規纏身
另外也別過度貶低當時湖人的防守跟禁區
有時候不要為了反對而反對
被人拿數據出來打臉會很丟臉的
--
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