小蟲 vs Bosh - NBA

By Ivy
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最近小蟲很火熱,我想大家都心知肚明,其實這傢伙會被討論,
背後的重點就是MJ和LBJ間的比較.
但是我篇不想戰MJ和LBJ,就盡量單純比較小蟲和Bosh,
也希望大家多多討論,畢竟小蟲時代久遠,本人七年級初頭,
也是在國中的時候認識這傢伙,但是當時其實不是很懂,只是看看熱鬧,
因此這篇的比較,單純就用數字和獎項討論.
目前板上的共識,Bosh絕對算巨頭,小蟲則眾說紛紜,但是比較多人認為不算吧,
本人再次強調,巨頭的標準人人不一,這篇只比較兩人的生涯,
誰是不是巨頭就人人心中有一把尺.
小蟲生涯資料
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rodmade01.html
Bosh生涯資料
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html
小蟲生涯拿過兩次第三隊,2次DPOY,8次防守隊
Bosh生涯一次第二隊.....就是這樣,沒別的了
若是看個人獎項榮譽,小蟲應該佔上風
雖然有人可能會覺得Bosh因為血栓問題,所以生涯較短,
但是事實上Bosh生涯出賽893場,小蟲911場,其實差距並不大.
若用PER來比較兩人,對小蟲很吃虧,因為PER對進攻能力差的球員非常吃虧,
因此我用WS/48來比較,小蟲是0.15 Bosh是0.159,基本上差距不大,
且考量Bosh沒經歷衰退期就退休,因此我個人是認為在WS/48上,兩人可算平分秋色.
再看看各大媒體排名,
因為這兩個人普遍都在50-100名間,所以並不是很好找,我還是努力找了幾個.
ESPN
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/454vrs/final_espn_alltime_top_100_list/
小蟲64 Bosh86
SLAM
https://www.slamonline.com/nba/
slams-top-100-players-of-all-time-list-no-100-51/
小蟲59 Bosh沒上榜
B/R
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/
2232060-br-nba-legends-100-ranking-the-greatest-players-of-all-time
小蟲54 Bosh86
接下來是鄉民最愛吐槽的2K
https://www.2kratings.com/lists/top-100-all-time-players
小蟲85 Bosh無
這個是前陣子鄉民討論的很開心,歷史上各位置的TOP10,這邊只看PF
https://www.instagram.com/p/BmErvTdhnQa/?taken-by=the.nba.ace
小蟲8 Bosh無
綜觀媒體排名,小蟲明顯壓過Bosh,大家若是想戰,麻煩去問媒體,
ESPN SLAM B/R 應該算大吧,雖然媒體排名常常戰火連連,
但是可信度總比鄉民高吧.
另外小蟲被拉高的原因,可能是他有5冠,Bosh只有2冠,
事實上這兩個人若是當老大,99%都是0冠,
可以說小蟲可能運氣較好,拿了較多冠因此提升評價,
另外Bosh因為血栓問題,31歲就被迫退休,以至於無法繼續累積成就,這是很可惜的地方.
也許Bosh沒有血栓,是有機會超過小蟲,但是客觀來說,寫在歷史簿上的成就,小蟲>Bosh,
假如沒血栓問題,Bosh也許能戰個旗鼓相當,運氣好一點也許能小勝小蟲.
總之,若你認為Bosh>>>>>>小蟲,是不合理的.
若你認為Bosh是無庸置疑的巨頭,那還要討論小蟲是不是巨頭嗎?
很多人認為小蟲進攻超爛,所以不可能是巨頭,但這是張飛打岳飛的概念,
事實上以前的年代,是能容忍隊上有人進攻很爛,以前的籃球和現在不同,
若是小蟲來到現在,卻沒開發出任何進攻能力,我想會相當難用.
若是兩個人要選一個當老大,我毋庸置疑會選Bosh,
我無法想像小蟲那種進攻能力當老大的樣子.
但是若是當老三使用,則兩人各有優勢,絕對不是誰遠大於誰,端看隊型決定.
另外我重點並不是要說小蟲>Bosh,所以MJ大團,
我也說了,這篇我希望放在小蟲和Bosh的討論上,
若要客觀分析當時的狀況,小蟲去公牛已經34歲,且這傢伙超級難搞,
而Bosh和LBJ組團是26歲,若給我選我一定選Bosh.
各大媒體的歷史排名,小蟲大概在60名附近,
希望大家不要因為他進攻很爛,用現在的籃球觀念去判斷他的價值,
他絕對有巨頭的實力無誤.
若你覺得他不是巨頭,也不是你的問題,可能是你對巨頭的標準比較嚴苛,
或是你認為巨頭一定要有帶隊能力,一定要有強大的進攻能力,
就我看來,小蟲就是用他的防守和籃板能力,產生巨頭的功效.
--
背後的重點就是MJ和LBJ間的比較.
但是我篇不想戰MJ和LBJ,就盡量單純比較小蟲和Bosh,
也希望大家多多討論,畢竟小蟲時代久遠,本人七年級初頭,
也是在國中的時候認識這傢伙,但是當時其實不是很懂,只是看看熱鬧,
因此這篇的比較,單純就用數字和獎項討論.
目前板上的共識,Bosh絕對算巨頭,小蟲則眾說紛紜,但是比較多人認為不算吧,
本人再次強調,巨頭的標準人人不一,這篇只比較兩人的生涯,
誰是不是巨頭就人人心中有一把尺.
小蟲生涯資料
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rodmade01.html
Bosh生涯資料
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html
小蟲生涯拿過兩次第三隊,2次DPOY,8次防守隊
Bosh生涯一次第二隊.....就是這樣,沒別的了
若是看個人獎項榮譽,小蟲應該佔上風
雖然有人可能會覺得Bosh因為血栓問題,所以生涯較短,
但是事實上Bosh生涯出賽893場,小蟲911場,其實差距並不大.
若用PER來比較兩人,對小蟲很吃虧,因為PER對進攻能力差的球員非常吃虧,
因此我用WS/48來比較,小蟲是0.15 Bosh是0.159,基本上差距不大,
且考量Bosh沒經歷衰退期就退休,因此我個人是認為在WS/48上,兩人可算平分秋色.
再看看各大媒體排名,
因為這兩個人普遍都在50-100名間,所以並不是很好找,我還是努力找了幾個.
ESPN
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/454vrs/final_espn_alltime_top_100_list/
小蟲64 Bosh86
SLAM
https://www.slamonline.com/nba/
slams-top-100-players-of-all-time-list-no-100-51/
小蟲59 Bosh沒上榜
B/R
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/
2232060-br-nba-legends-100-ranking-the-greatest-players-of-all-time
小蟲54 Bosh86
接下來是鄉民最愛吐槽的2K
https://www.2kratings.com/lists/top-100-all-time-players
小蟲85 Bosh無
這個是前陣子鄉民討論的很開心,歷史上各位置的TOP10,這邊只看PF
https://www.instagram.com/p/BmErvTdhnQa/?taken-by=the.nba.ace
小蟲8 Bosh無
綜觀媒體排名,小蟲明顯壓過Bosh,大家若是想戰,麻煩去問媒體,
ESPN SLAM B/R 應該算大吧,雖然媒體排名常常戰火連連,
但是可信度總比鄉民高吧.
另外小蟲被拉高的原因,可能是他有5冠,Bosh只有2冠,
事實上這兩個人若是當老大,99%都是0冠,
可以說小蟲可能運氣較好,拿了較多冠因此提升評價,
另外Bosh因為血栓問題,31歲就被迫退休,以至於無法繼續累積成就,這是很可惜的地方.
也許Bosh沒有血栓,是有機會超過小蟲,但是客觀來說,寫在歷史簿上的成就,小蟲>Bosh,
假如沒血栓問題,Bosh也許能戰個旗鼓相當,運氣好一點也許能小勝小蟲.
總之,若你認為Bosh>>>>>>小蟲,是不合理的.
若你認為Bosh是無庸置疑的巨頭,那還要討論小蟲是不是巨頭嗎?
很多人認為小蟲進攻超爛,所以不可能是巨頭,但這是張飛打岳飛的概念,
事實上以前的年代,是能容忍隊上有人進攻很爛,以前的籃球和現在不同,
若是小蟲來到現在,卻沒開發出任何進攻能力,我想會相當難用.
若是兩個人要選一個當老大,我毋庸置疑會選Bosh,
我無法想像小蟲那種進攻能力當老大的樣子.
但是若是當老三使用,則兩人各有優勢,絕對不是誰遠大於誰,端看隊型決定.
另外我重點並不是要說小蟲>Bosh,所以MJ大團,
我也說了,這篇我希望放在小蟲和Bosh的討論上,
若要客觀分析當時的狀況,小蟲去公牛已經34歲,且這傢伙超級難搞,
而Bosh和LBJ組團是26歲,若給我選我一定選Bosh.
各大媒體的歷史排名,小蟲大概在60名附近,
希望大家不要因為他進攻很爛,用現在的籃球觀念去判斷他的價值,
他絕對有巨頭的實力無誤.
若你覺得他不是巨頭,也不是你的問題,可能是你對巨頭的標準比較嚴苛,
或是你認為巨頭一定要有帶隊能力,一定要有強大的進攻能力,
就我看來,小蟲就是用他的防守和籃板能力,產生巨頭的功效.
--
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