對當代的統治力:比較 Jordan 與 LBJ - NBA
By Freda
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LBJ 是很偉大的球員,不過在當代的統治力其實差 Jordan 不少。
Jordan 對當代的統治力實在是太驚人了,而且是全方位的統治。
1. 兩次三連霸 + 兩次三連 FMVP,Jordan 是史上唯一辦到的球員。
2. 同賽季得分王 + DPOY。最佳得分手與最佳防守球員,Jordan是史上唯一辦到的球員。
3. 賽季得分王 + 年度第一隊 + 防守第一隊。統治攻守兩端,Jordan完成 9次,
LBJ 0次。
4. MVP + 得分王 + 年度第一隊 + 防守第一隊。完全統治常規賽,Jordan 完成 5 次,
NBA 歷史上沒有其它人能夠辦到。
5. MVP + FMVP + 得分王 + 年度第一隊 + 防守第一隊。全方位統治常規賽與季後賽,
Jordan 完成 4 次,NBA 歷史上沒有其它人能夠辦到。
論季後賽的統治力,Jordan 在季後賽中,有主場優勢的系列賽沒有輸過任何一次。
LBJ 在季後賽中,有主場優勢的情況下,輸過三次系列賽,
分別是 2009 年東冠輸給魔獸,2010 年第二輪輸給綠衫軍,2011 年輸給 Dirk。
如果 LBJ 像 Jordan 一樣有統治力,有主場優勢的系列賽都沒有輸過,
那麼 2009 年、2010 年、2011 年的總冠軍都會被 LBJ 拿下來,
這樣 LBJ 也會累積到六個總冠軍。
可惜的是 LBJ 沒有這樣的統治力。
簡單地說,若 2009 年與 2010 年,LBJ 能夠帶隊打到總冠軍賽的話,
那他帶領的騎士隊就是人們口中的超級球隊,畢竟 2009 年騎士隊聯盟第一 66 勝,
2010 年騎士隊聯盟第一 61 勝,但 LBJ 在擁有主場優勢的情況下,
這兩年都摸不到總冠軍賽的地板,明顯沒有 Jordan 那樣的統治力。
從刷數據來討論季後賽統治力。
比系列賽得分,有人會說對 LBJ 不公平,那就來看看系列賽 Game Score。
http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/glossary.html
Game Score; the formula is PTS + 0.4 * FG - 0.7 * FGA - 0.4*(FTA - FT) +
0.7 * ORB + 0.3 * DRB + STL + 0.7 * AST + 0.7 * BLK - 0.4 * PF - TOV.
Game Score was created by John Hollinger to give a rough measure of a
player's productivity for a single game. The scale is similar to that of
points scored, (40 is an outstanding performance, 10 is an average
performance, etc.).
Jordan 季後賽生涯中,所有的系列賽裡面,沒有任何一次發生過隊友的 Game Score
高過自己。
LBJ 則是發生過三次,2011 年第二輪 Wade、2011 年總冠軍賽 Wade、
2016 年第一輪 KI,這三次 LBJ 的 Game Score 都輸給隊友。
這就是 LBJ 與 Jordan 統治力的差距。
Jordan 季後賽生涯中,所有的系列賽裡面,只有一次 Game Score 不是兩隊第一,
是 1996 Finals。
FG% PTS TRB AST GameScore
Jordan 41.5 27.3 5.3 4.2 18.5
Kemp 55.1 23.3 10.0 2.2 18.9
LBJ 季後賽生涯中,所有的系列賽裡面,目前已經有七次 Game Score 不是兩隊第一。
2006 第一輪
FG% 3P% PTS TRB AST TOV GameScore
LBJ 51.0 38.2 35.7 7.5 5.7 5.7 23.6
Arenas 46.4 43.5 34.0 5.5 5.3 3.3 24.7
2007 Finals
FG% 3P% PTS TRB AST TOV GameScore
LBJ 35.6 20.0 22.0 7.0 6.8 5.8 10.6
Parker 56.8 57.1 24.5 5.0 3.3 3.0 16.2
Duncan 44.6 18.3 11.5 3.8 2.8 15.3
Manu 36.7 43.5 17.8 5.8 2.5 2.3 11.6
2008 第二輪
FG% 3P% PTS TRB AST TOV GameScore
LBJ 35.5 23.1 26.7 6.4 7.6 5.3 17.5
KG 54.5 0 19.6 10.9 3.1 1.1 17.6
2011 第二輪
FG% 3P% PTS TRB AST TOV GameScore
LBJ 47.2 43.5 28.0 8.2 3.6 3.4 20.3
Wade 52.6 28.6 30.2 6.8 4.8 3.0 23.8
2011 Finals
FG% 3P% PTS TRB AST TOV GameScore
LBJ 47.8 32.1 17.8 7.2 6.8 4.0 13.7
Wade 54.6 30.4 26.5 7.0 5.2 2.5 22.7
Dirk 41.6 36.8 26.0 9.7 2.0 2.8 16.6
2016 第一輪
FG% 3P% PTS TRB AST TOV GameScore
LBJ 48.7 21.1 22.8 9.0 6.8 3.3 18.3
KI 47.1 47.1 27.5 2.3 4.8 1.5 19.7
2017 Finals
FG% 3P% PTS TRB AST TOV GameScore
LBJ 56.4 38.7 33.6 12.0 10.0 4.2 29.6
KD 55.6 47.4 35.2 8.2 5.4 2.2 30.3
Jordan 在季後賽的系列賽中,沒有發生過同時 輸球又輸數據 的情況,
唯一一次輸數據是 1996 Finals,但是那一次 Jordan 帶隊贏球。
LBJ 在季後賽的系列賽中,已經發生過 4 次同時 輸球又輸數據 的情況,
分別是 2007 Finals、2008 第二輪、2011 Finals、2017 Finals。
這就是 LBJ 與 Jordan 統治力的差距。
Jordan 在季後賽中,對決過當打之年的名人堂球星 (只列出球隊主將):
Bird, Magic, Isiah Thomas, Ewing, Barkley, Drexler, Dominique Wilkins,
Alonzo Mourning, O'Neal, Payton, Karl Malone, Reggie Miller.
其中 Bird, Magic, O'Neal 都是史上前十大球星,
而 Barkley, Malone 是史上前二十大球星。
這些名人球星,沒有一個人在系列賽中 Game Score 刷贏 Jordan,
這就是 Jordan 對當代球星的統治力。
LBJ 季後賽對手中,對決過當打之年的名人堂球星 (只列出球隊主將):
Jason Kidd, Duncan, KG, Howard, Dirk, KD, Carmelo Anthony, Curry.
(先假設 Howard, Anthony 會入選名人堂)
LBJ 在系列賽中,Game Score 刷輸過 Duncan, KG, Dirk, KD,目前共累積 4 次了。
這就是 LBJ 與 Jordan 統治力的差距。
超級球隊是個假議題,從 2013-14 球季開始,LBJ 季賽都是打養生籃球,
讓他的球隊季賽戰績不像超級球隊,
若 LBJ 像 2009 年與 2010 年這樣帶隊,那 LBJ 自己的球隊就是超級球隊。
最近幾年 LBJ 的帶隊能力反倒不如以前騎士 1.0 的 LBJ 嗎?這應該不可能。
最近幾年 LBJ 的球隊配置與隊友反倒不如以前騎士 1.0 的時候嗎?這應該不可能,
若真是如此,那當初 LBJ 為何要離隊去打兄弟籃球呢?就留在騎士 1.0 的時期就好啊。
若 LBJ 能夠像 Jordan 在季賽也是全力以赴,LBJ 的球隊就會是 60+ 勝的超級球隊,
我相信以 LBJ 最近幾年的球隊配置,LBJ 的帶隊能力沒道理帶不出 60+ 勝的超級球隊。
辦到了上面這一點之後,LBJ 還要辦到在季後賽中,有主場優勢的系列賽不能輸,
這樣才能夠跟 Jordan 比統治力。
除了球隊戰績外,個人數據面的統治力,
LBJ 在季後賽的系列賽中,Game Score 不能輸給隊友,這樣才有統治力,
除了不能輸給隊友外,
Game Score 不是兩隊第一的次數不能太多,不然就沒有統治力了。
話又說回來,
打家鄉籃球被 TD 的馬刺、Howard 與綠軍虐 -> 說要打兄弟籃球 ->
打兄弟籃球被 Dirk 小牛與 TD 馬刺虐 -> 說要打家鄉籃球 ->
打家鄉籃球被 KD 與 Curry 的勇士虐 -> 下一步是 ???
請問這樣是要怎麼討論 LBJ 對當代的統治力呢?
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