字母哥傳記揭露Kidd在公鹿執教的故事 - NBA

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at 2021-08-13T07:32
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※ 引述《asd831129 (追追熊)》之銘言:
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: 最近Ringer作家Mirin Fader 出書 Giannis 的傳記,看到有人PO了裡面幾段關於Jason
: Kidd 在公鹿執教的故事,還蠻辛辣的。
: 來源:https://bit.ly/3saefox
: https://imgur.com/22pIDw3
: https://imgur.com/vIGS22K
: https://imgur.com/1T4B9F3
: https://imgur.com/zzBrK6B
: https://imgur.com/LHLyMUO
: 以下大概翻譯,也可以直接看圖片原文
原文不知為何都被吃了,可以去和原PO的中文翻譯作比對
先說本人前基迷,所以愛屋及烏老基執教公鹿那段期間是鹿迷
老基執教公鹿的生涯可以說是毀譽參半,我也不會說他帶的有多好
但因為字母這本書被節出來比較辛辣的這一段是在講2014~2015老基帶公鹿的第一季
所以我就僅針對這一季做一點回應,我承認老基帶的沒多好,但他真的帶得很廢嗎?
首先先做一點背景介紹
在2013~14球季、也就是KIDD正式掌兵符的前一季
公鹿的戰績是15勝67敗,東區排名最後,聯盟通算排名最後
講白一點就是一支擺爛想搶2014大年的狀元最後搶到榜眼的魚腩球隊
然後兩季陣容在2014~15季中發生三方交易前也沒啥大不同,沒有出現什麼驚人的補強
球員名單有興趣的人可以自己去查,這裡就不羅列一一比較了
簡單的背景介紹後,在來針對被節錄的片段做回應
1.Larry Sanders崩潰
內文很長,系統不知為啥把原文都吃掉了,歡迎大家可以去原PO那邊看一下來龍去脈
這裡簡單說明一下就是當時公鹿在聖誕節前夕吞了一場敗戰
於是KIDD不顧眾人反對要求球隊全員不准放假聖誕節加練
並且在加練的時候說Larry Sanders像坨屎,並且把他操的不要不要的
然後我看了看推文,不少鄉民覺得是KIDD毀了Sanders
例如:推 nashQ : Sanders真的可憐,剛要起頭遇到這種帶隊的,慘
拜託....這個誤會真的很大....
Larry Sanders那時候剛要起頭????他起秋比較快啦TMD!!
Sanders在新人約的時候的確展現出他的潛力,後來公鹿也跟他簽了4年大概40多M的薪資
現在這個大頂薪時代看起來好像沒什麼
但在那個年代Sanders一個人的薪水就占了全隊將近20%的空間
然後公鹿全隊除了他,沒有任何人的薪水破千萬
當時第二貴OJ MAYO領八百萬、名義上的一哥Brandon Knight領三百多萬
榜眼Jabari Parker不到五百萬、字母哥不到兩百萬
我們再看看領了全隊最大約的Larry Sanders對球隊有什麼貢獻
先聊聊場外的吧
先是在2013年在夜店和路人幹架把自己手指幹斷、接著被聯盟禁賽
https://tinyurl.com/5855n8s2
然後是2014年吸大麻被逮到又被禁賽
https://tinyurl.com/yzwncm22
這些鳥事全部都是發生在KIDD來公鹿之前
所以說KIDD毀了Sanders的信心與職業生涯??我整個黑人問號????????
這種糟糕的職業態度,如果你能像KI或鬍子在場上能拿出好表現也就算了
或者不要求那麼苛打得像明星,但至少拿出先發的水準不過分吧??
我們再來看看當時的時空背景,Sanders在球場上的表現如何
當時聖誕節前夕公鹿101:108輸給黃蜂
Sanders的表現是:
MP FG FGA FG% FT FTA FT% TRB AST BLK TOV PF PTS
27:16 1 6 1.67 3 6 5.0 8 3 2 3 4 5
打這什麼垃圾??
如果你是教練,碰到這種坐領全隊最高薪、場上表現不行
滿腦子只想著呼麻當藝術家的球員
不要跟我說你會用什麼鼓勵式愛的教育,這種球員就是欠電阿!當你NBA謝和弦逆!?
那季公鹿讓他打了20幾場之後終於受不了把他買斷
他打的那幾場說他跟屎一樣還真是客氣了
--
再來聊聊聖誕節加練的事
如前面所述,2013~14的公鹿因為在擺爛
然後球隊幾乎都是年輕人和少數幾位如達叔、ZAZA這樣還功能性的角色球員
所以2014~15球季KIDD新官上任,需要建立的就是球隊的贏球文化
如果讓年輕人習慣輸球後果會是怎樣,可以看看另外一個鮮明的例子:明尼蘇達灰狼
當時灰狼交易來圍巾、選進唐詩這兩位狀元、可謂天賦滿滿
但不知道是老席的問題還是灰狼這支球隊長期戰績低迷的氛圍
後來補到士官長吉巴之後電了這兩支年輕人並且痛批灰狼年輕人勝負心不夠強烈
所以贏球文化沒有建立的後果是什麼??這兩隻明明都很不錯,但球隊始終打不起來
我們回到當時的公鹿,所以後來老基贏球文化建立成功了嗎?
至少從該球季結束的成績來看我認為是成功了
公鹿當年的勝率是41勝41負時人稱之五成鹿
要說很厲害嗎倒也還好,不過跟KIDD還沒來的2013~14那隻墊底鹿比起來進步了非常多
進攻效率雖然聯盟末段班但防守效率聯盟第四,該年也讓爐主翻身打進季後賽
然後再看看現在公鹿主將字母哥、蜜豆湯的求勝欲吧,我想就不用我多說了
所以要球員聖誕節加練、就跟老闆要你除夕夜加班一樣,78不78??當然78
但我認為這是當時讓爐主能打季後賽、並讓年輕球員不能習慣輸球的必要之惡
--
2.罰字母坐板凳
歡迎大家去查閱原文,這裡一樣大略講述一下事情經過
事情的大概就是字母哥因為上半場的一個PLAY老基說他打錯了
字母哥反駁說他沒有打錯,後來中場休息看回放證明字母真的沒錯
但KIDD還是罰他蹲板凳把比賽蹲完
這件事情我是不會說KIDD做的對做得對啦
人們常說換了位置會換個腦袋,你以為你不會,但如果今天換位思考想想
如果你是新科主管,公司交給你一個新項目讓你做主持人並帶領一支團隊完成計畫
在開季中檢討會議時你指責一個下屬說你哪裡表現不好,要再注意
結果那名下屬在眾目睽睽下回你說:報告長官,我沒有錯
接著就拿出許多證據打臉你他真的沒有錯,是你搞錯了。請問你當下會怎麼樣?
出了社會之後我們常會噴我們主管不認錯之類的
但你仔細想想就算你是對的,可是你直接當眾讓你主管出醜請問你的下場會好嗎?
雖然我們常嘴慣老闆,但換個立場如果你是主管,你的下屬當眾不給你台階下
你會怎麼辦??為了服眾你當然只能拿權威來壓他阿,不然讓你屬下騎你頭上??
當然字母也沒什麼錯啦,就只是年輕比較沒那麼世故、然後遇到新官上任三把火而已
比較社會化的方法就是事後私下你去找主管跟他講道理,總之儘量別讓主管當眾出糗
當然也是有虛心的主管或者教練能夠當面認錯
但KIDD有這麼好人嗎??他就不是嘛,他就是新來的教練需要樹立權威阿
換成老派一點的教練如波波、油頭
如果你敢挑戰我,就算你是對的,不論你是GDP還是大猩猩,我照樣把你換下來狗幹一頓
而且我們不能拿現在字母哥已經是明星的標準來衡量當時的情況
那時字母就是個剛升2年級的菜雞,甚至他只是數名要養的新秀之一而已
所以跟現在77已經是全明星甚至是小牛絕對核心的情況不一樣,不太需要為77擔心
--
最後來聊聊人和的部分
雖然KIDD在2014~15之後的賽季帶的也是普普通通沒有多好,戰術也沒很有料
上述KIDD狗幹Sanders、冰字母、聖誕節練球,理論上應該要大失人心才對啊
但聖誕節練球球員苦,KIDD至少做到我跟你們一起沒假放、一起苦
冰字母結果KIDD要被火掉時字母第一時間跳出來力挺他還問說能否做什麼挽回這一切
然後以KIDD當球員愛鬥教練、當教練愛鬥總管的前科,湖人敢找他來當助教
LBJ也不止一次稱讚KIDD
就算LBJ說的是場面話好了,但以LBJ的趴數需要討好他不認同的人?最多就是不提他嘛
而且LBJ的歷任教練如濕婆、Blatt、盧總傳出的將帥失和緋聞可沒少過
雖然大多是乳摸沒有被證實,但從來沒聽說過LBJ和KIDD有過任何這樣的傳聞
所以KIDD以前沒料歸沒料,但在人和以及經營的球員認同這一塊做的是不差的
再看看以戰術涵養豐富著名的教練
如前國王教練二哥、前太陽教練Kokoskov、前溜馬教練Bjorkgren
這些教練都很有料,但球員不聽你的,再有料也沒屁用啊....
至於現在小牛找KIDD當教練,一開始我的確不看好
因為當時傳出的助教人選都是小牛的宿將,沒有非NBA球員系統出身的教練
但後來找來了Kokoskov這位以前帶過77打過國家隊的教練當助教
這個教練班子我才比較有所期待
最後希望小牛能夠有所進步,然後看看KIDD這趟湖人經歷能給他帶來什麼改變吧
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南 |ˊ ︵ ︵ˋ /︵ ︵ ˋ| /︵ ︵ ˋ|
有 ∕ (⊙)(⊙) (⊙)(⊙) ˋ (⊙)(⊙) ˋ
三 | ( _●_) ≡ ≡ (_●_ ) | ≡ (_●_ ) |
佛≡ |∪| ミ ミ﹑|∪| ≡ ミ﹑|∪| ≡
石佛 TD 德佛 Dirk 黑熊寶佛 Z-BO
--
: https://imgur.com/viZKYXB
: 最近Ringer作家Mirin Fader 出書 Giannis 的傳記,看到有人PO了裡面幾段關於Jason
: Kidd 在公鹿執教的故事,還蠻辛辣的。
: 來源:https://bit.ly/3saefox
: https://imgur.com/22pIDw3
: https://imgur.com/vIGS22K
: https://imgur.com/1T4B9F3
: https://imgur.com/zzBrK6B
: https://imgur.com/LHLyMUO
: 以下大概翻譯,也可以直接看圖片原文
原文不知為何都被吃了,可以去和原PO的中文翻譯作比對
先說本人前基迷,所以愛屋及烏老基執教公鹿那段期間是鹿迷
老基執教公鹿的生涯可以說是毀譽參半,我也不會說他帶的有多好
但因為字母這本書被節出來比較辛辣的這一段是在講2014~2015老基帶公鹿的第一季
所以我就僅針對這一季做一點回應,我承認老基帶的沒多好,但他真的帶得很廢嗎?
首先先做一點背景介紹
在2013~14球季、也就是KIDD正式掌兵符的前一季
公鹿的戰績是15勝67敗,東區排名最後,聯盟通算排名最後
講白一點就是一支擺爛想搶2014大年的狀元最後搶到榜眼的魚腩球隊
然後兩季陣容在2014~15季中發生三方交易前也沒啥大不同,沒有出現什麼驚人的補強
球員名單有興趣的人可以自己去查,這裡就不羅列一一比較了
簡單的背景介紹後,在來針對被節錄的片段做回應
1.Larry Sanders崩潰
內文很長,系統不知為啥把原文都吃掉了,歡迎大家可以去原PO那邊看一下來龍去脈
這裡簡單說明一下就是當時公鹿在聖誕節前夕吞了一場敗戰
於是KIDD不顧眾人反對要求球隊全員不准放假聖誕節加練
並且在加練的時候說Larry Sanders像坨屎,並且把他操的不要不要的
然後我看了看推文,不少鄉民覺得是KIDD毀了Sanders
例如:推 nashQ : Sanders真的可憐,剛要起頭遇到這種帶隊的,慘
拜託....這個誤會真的很大....
Larry Sanders那時候剛要起頭????他起秋比較快啦TMD!!
Sanders在新人約的時候的確展現出他的潛力,後來公鹿也跟他簽了4年大概40多M的薪資
現在這個大頂薪時代看起來好像沒什麼
但在那個年代Sanders一個人的薪水就占了全隊將近20%的空間
然後公鹿全隊除了他,沒有任何人的薪水破千萬
當時第二貴OJ MAYO領八百萬、名義上的一哥Brandon Knight領三百多萬
榜眼Jabari Parker不到五百萬、字母哥不到兩百萬
我們再看看領了全隊最大約的Larry Sanders對球隊有什麼貢獻
先聊聊場外的吧
先是在2013年在夜店和路人幹架把自己手指幹斷、接著被聯盟禁賽
https://tinyurl.com/5855n8s2
然後是2014年吸大麻被逮到又被禁賽
https://tinyurl.com/yzwncm22
這些鳥事全部都是發生在KIDD來公鹿之前
所以說KIDD毀了Sanders的信心與職業生涯??我整個黑人問號????????
這種糟糕的職業態度,如果你能像KI或鬍子在場上能拿出好表現也就算了
或者不要求那麼苛打得像明星,但至少拿出先發的水準不過分吧??
我們再來看看當時的時空背景,Sanders在球場上的表現如何
當時聖誕節前夕公鹿101:108輸給黃蜂
Sanders的表現是:
MP FG FGA FG% FT FTA FT% TRB AST BLK TOV PF PTS
27:16 1 6 1.67 3 6 5.0 8 3 2 3 4 5
打這什麼垃圾??
如果你是教練,碰到這種坐領全隊最高薪、場上表現不行
滿腦子只想著呼麻當藝術家的球員
不要跟我說你會用什麼鼓勵式愛的教育,這種球員就是欠電阿!當你NBA謝和弦逆!?
那季公鹿讓他打了20幾場之後終於受不了把他買斷
他打的那幾場說他跟屎一樣還真是客氣了
--
再來聊聊聖誕節加練的事
如前面所述,2013~14的公鹿因為在擺爛
然後球隊幾乎都是年輕人和少數幾位如達叔、ZAZA這樣還功能性的角色球員
所以2014~15球季KIDD新官上任,需要建立的就是球隊的贏球文化
如果讓年輕人習慣輸球後果會是怎樣,可以看看另外一個鮮明的例子:明尼蘇達灰狼
當時灰狼交易來圍巾、選進唐詩這兩位狀元、可謂天賦滿滿
但不知道是老席的問題還是灰狼這支球隊長期戰績低迷的氛圍
後來補到士官長吉巴之後電了這兩支年輕人並且痛批灰狼年輕人勝負心不夠強烈
所以贏球文化沒有建立的後果是什麼??這兩隻明明都很不錯,但球隊始終打不起來
我們回到當時的公鹿,所以後來老基贏球文化建立成功了嗎?
至少從該球季結束的成績來看我認為是成功了
公鹿當年的勝率是41勝41負時人稱之五成鹿
要說很厲害嗎倒也還好,不過跟KIDD還沒來的2013~14那隻墊底鹿比起來進步了非常多
進攻效率雖然聯盟末段班但防守效率聯盟第四,該年也讓爐主翻身打進季後賽
然後再看看現在公鹿主將字母哥、蜜豆湯的求勝欲吧,我想就不用我多說了
所以要球員聖誕節加練、就跟老闆要你除夕夜加班一樣,78不78??當然78
但我認為這是當時讓爐主能打季後賽、並讓年輕球員不能習慣輸球的必要之惡
--
2.罰字母坐板凳
歡迎大家去查閱原文,這裡一樣大略講述一下事情經過
事情的大概就是字母哥因為上半場的一個PLAY老基說他打錯了
字母哥反駁說他沒有打錯,後來中場休息看回放證明字母真的沒錯
但KIDD還是罰他蹲板凳把比賽蹲完
這件事情我是不會說KIDD做的對做得對啦
人們常說換了位置會換個腦袋,你以為你不會,但如果今天換位思考想想
如果你是新科主管,公司交給你一個新項目讓你做主持人並帶領一支團隊完成計畫
在開季中檢討會議時你指責一個下屬說你哪裡表現不好,要再注意
結果那名下屬在眾目睽睽下回你說:報告長官,我沒有錯
接著就拿出許多證據打臉你他真的沒有錯,是你搞錯了。請問你當下會怎麼樣?
出了社會之後我們常會噴我們主管不認錯之類的
但你仔細想想就算你是對的,可是你直接當眾讓你主管出醜請問你的下場會好嗎?
雖然我們常嘴慣老闆,但換個立場如果你是主管,你的下屬當眾不給你台階下
你會怎麼辦??為了服眾你當然只能拿權威來壓他阿,不然讓你屬下騎你頭上??
當然字母也沒什麼錯啦,就只是年輕比較沒那麼世故、然後遇到新官上任三把火而已
比較社會化的方法就是事後私下你去找主管跟他講道理,總之儘量別讓主管當眾出糗
當然也是有虛心的主管或者教練能夠當面認錯
但KIDD有這麼好人嗎??他就不是嘛,他就是新來的教練需要樹立權威阿
換成老派一點的教練如波波、油頭
如果你敢挑戰我,就算你是對的,不論你是GDP還是大猩猩,我照樣把你換下來狗幹一頓
而且我們不能拿現在字母哥已經是明星的標準來衡量當時的情況
那時字母就是個剛升2年級的菜雞,甚至他只是數名要養的新秀之一而已
所以跟現在77已經是全明星甚至是小牛絕對核心的情況不一樣,不太需要為77擔心
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最後來聊聊人和的部分
雖然KIDD在2014~15之後的賽季帶的也是普普通通沒有多好,戰術也沒很有料
上述KIDD狗幹Sanders、冰字母、聖誕節練球,理論上應該要大失人心才對啊
但聖誕節練球球員苦,KIDD至少做到我跟你們一起沒假放、一起苦
冰字母結果KIDD要被火掉時字母第一時間跳出來力挺他還問說能否做什麼挽回這一切
然後以KIDD當球員愛鬥教練、當教練愛鬥總管的前科,湖人敢找他來當助教
LBJ也不止一次稱讚KIDD
就算LBJ說的是場面話好了,但以LBJ的趴數需要討好他不認同的人?最多就是不提他嘛
而且LBJ的歷任教練如濕婆、Blatt、盧總傳出的將帥失和緋聞可沒少過
雖然大多是乳摸沒有被證實,但從來沒聽說過LBJ和KIDD有過任何這樣的傳聞
所以KIDD以前沒料歸沒料,但在人和以及經營的球員認同這一塊做的是不差的
再看看以戰術涵養豐富著名的教練
如前國王教練二哥、前太陽教練Kokoskov、前溜馬教練Bjorkgren
這些教練都很有料,但球員不聽你的,再有料也沒屁用啊....
至於現在小牛找KIDD當教練,一開始我的確不看好
因為當時傳出的助教人選都是小牛的宿將,沒有非NBA球員系統出身的教練
但後來找來了Kokoskov這位以前帶過77打過國家隊的教練當助教
這個教練班子我才比較有所期待
最後希望小牛能夠有所進步,然後看看KIDD這趟湖人經歷能給他帶來什麼改變吧
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