喬帥6度奪冠 登「澳網至尊」 - 網球 Tennis
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原文裡提及「 我怎麼完全看不出來囧現在的對手有比較強」
單純想討論這句話。
以下的「現在」定義為從去年2015澳網開始,主要以大滿貫(簡稱大賽)狀況來討論...
本人覺得當今球王喬爸最大對手不是費而是小卡,畢竟總共五個大賽,兩人對決一
勝(澳網盤數3:2)一敗(法網盤數3:1),喬爸對決費則是三勝零敗。(盤數皆3:1)
原文裡「但2014後網壇競爭力明顯不比前幾年...14年後網壇太弱瘋狂虐菜狂
拿大滿貫」本人對於這段話完全無法贊同,你不能因為喬爸五大賽中拿了四冠就說
他瘋狂虐菜,還是要看真正的比賽對手是誰。
費巔峰時期我的觀察是03~07(五年也很久了),當時的納豆硬地大滿貫從沒進過冠軍
戰(這也是論者認為他那時還未至巔峰期的原因),所以你所稱的「威脅性大於現在
排名2~5相加總」的納豆的表現是法網拿兩次冠軍,溫布頓兩次殺入冠軍戰兩次被費
淘汰,總結費巔峰期五年20個大賽,拿下12個大滿貫冠軍,對決納豆只有四次(2勝2敗),
費五年巔峰期來看,大滿貫相遇一年平均根本不到一次...
回過頭來看喬爸只一年不到一個月共五個大賽,對決莫瑞三次,費三次,小卡兩次
(總共7勝1敗),這樣還可說瘋狂虐菜嗎?後面這三個人光近期五個大賽總計打進冠軍戰
五次,四強十次,這是多麼穩定可怕的成績,其中費還連二進決賽(根本回春),
相較之下,費當時硬地大滿貫的冠軍戰對手真的沒那麼穩定是事實,每年對手都不一樣,
(好像打電動一樣...),所以本人認為那三位大師真的威脅性大多了,無法得出納豆一
個人可以超過此三人威脅之結論。
所以本人認為「這個時代喬爸的對手比費狂拿大滿貫的時期對手強」...
但也無法推出喬爸巔峰期贏費巔峰期的結論,這真的是打一場才能知道的事情,太可惜
我們永遠也無法知道...
但是看到護航費那時對手真的不弱,我只能說,相較之下,他們確實是比較弱,
直接講一個最簡單的概念,那時費冠軍戰的對手,除了只遇到四次的納豆,其他八次,
誰可以贏現在的莫瑞,沙芬跟大安迪吧?,可是莫瑞可是接發球大師且發球頗強加
上底線也很強,個人覺得真的高上沙芬跟大安迪一個檔次,沙芬還在澳網冠軍戰輸
給johansson過,那年我支持沙芬看緯來轉播看到無言...(小弟是從hewitt當球王時開始
看網球的,所以討論退休名將並非只單純看成就論高低,有加上自己看球員表現的印象)
原文裡「 如果把顛峰的Mur拿到10年前費全盛期你真的覺得Mur能夠多拿幾個GS嗎?」
巔峰期的莫瑞奧運贏費,美網加溫布頓贏喬爸,非常威耶!
我認為很難說一定但起碼有機會,巔峰期的莫瑞,在03~07年大賽冠軍戰對決費?
至少我不會想轉台...
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單純想討論這句話。
以下的「現在」定義為從去年2015澳網開始,主要以大滿貫(簡稱大賽)狀況來討論...
本人覺得當今球王喬爸最大對手不是費而是小卡,畢竟總共五個大賽,兩人對決一
勝(澳網盤數3:2)一敗(法網盤數3:1),喬爸對決費則是三勝零敗。(盤數皆3:1)
原文裡「但2014後網壇競爭力明顯不比前幾年...14年後網壇太弱瘋狂虐菜狂
拿大滿貫」本人對於這段話完全無法贊同,你不能因為喬爸五大賽中拿了四冠就說
他瘋狂虐菜,還是要看真正的比賽對手是誰。
費巔峰時期我的觀察是03~07(五年也很久了),當時的納豆硬地大滿貫從沒進過冠軍
戰(這也是論者認為他那時還未至巔峰期的原因),所以你所稱的「威脅性大於現在
排名2~5相加總」的納豆的表現是法網拿兩次冠軍,溫布頓兩次殺入冠軍戰兩次被費
淘汰,總結費巔峰期五年20個大賽,拿下12個大滿貫冠軍,對決納豆只有四次(2勝2敗),
費五年巔峰期來看,大滿貫相遇一年平均根本不到一次...
回過頭來看喬爸只一年不到一個月共五個大賽,對決莫瑞三次,費三次,小卡兩次
(總共7勝1敗),這樣還可說瘋狂虐菜嗎?後面這三個人光近期五個大賽總計打進冠軍戰
五次,四強十次,這是多麼穩定可怕的成績,其中費還連二進決賽(根本回春),
相較之下,費當時硬地大滿貫的冠軍戰對手真的沒那麼穩定是事實,每年對手都不一樣,
(好像打電動一樣...),所以本人認為那三位大師真的威脅性大多了,無法得出納豆一
個人可以超過此三人威脅之結論。
所以本人認為「這個時代喬爸的對手比費狂拿大滿貫的時期對手強」...
但也無法推出喬爸巔峰期贏費巔峰期的結論,這真的是打一場才能知道的事情,太可惜
我們永遠也無法知道...
但是看到護航費那時對手真的不弱,我只能說,相較之下,他們確實是比較弱,
直接講一個最簡單的概念,那時費冠軍戰的對手,除了只遇到四次的納豆,其他八次,
誰可以贏現在的莫瑞,沙芬跟大安迪吧?,可是莫瑞可是接發球大師且發球頗強加
上底線也很強,個人覺得真的高上沙芬跟大安迪一個檔次,沙芬還在澳網冠軍戰輸
給johansson過,那年我支持沙芬看緯來轉播看到無言...(小弟是從hewitt當球王時開始
看網球的,所以討論退休名將並非只單純看成就論高低,有加上自己看球員表現的印象)
原文裡「 如果把顛峰的Mur拿到10年前費全盛期你真的覺得Mur能夠多拿幾個GS嗎?」
巔峰期的莫瑞奧運贏費,美網加溫布頓贏喬爸,非常威耶!
我認為很難說一定但起碼有機會,巔峰期的莫瑞,在03~07年大賽冠軍戰對決費?
至少我不會想轉台...
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