反擊喬丹歷史定位論 羅斯:這邏輯已過時 - NBA

By Olive
at 2017-08-07T19:35
at 2017-08-07T19:35
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※ 引述《adam7148 (Adam)》之銘言:
: 雅各比進一步發表看法:「我認為喬丹之所以會選擇布萊恩,是因為他覺得他的地位已經
: 被詹姆斯所威脅。去年詹姆斯在總冠軍賽中的表現實在太驚人,我認為喬丹心中應該是已
: 經被他威脅到了。」這番辛辣言論,羅斯也深感同意。
MJ能夠被大多數人推崇為NBA歷來最偉大的球星,
不外乎綜合了 :
1.) 關鍵時刻的追分能力
2.) 總冠軍Finals的成績
3.) 防守
4.) 數據
5.) 榮耀
6.) 傳奇球賽
7.) 人氣與影響力
我們一項一項來看看姆斯會怎麼威脅到MJ的地位.
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1.) 關鍵時刻的追分能力
Playoff 最後24秒的追平或超前投籃
MJ 9-18
LBJ 8-24 (http://tinyurl.com/y9y4ug8r)
姆斯如果要追平MJ的命中率, 接下來得8投8中.
要是他以後8投全中, 大家都應該承認姆斯比較屌,
反正他會比MJ命中差不多兩倍的投籃.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
2.) 總冠軍Finals的成績
MJ 6-6 6FMVP
LBJ 3-8 3FMVP
就別再糾結冠軍賽全勝了, 反正姆斯也已經達成不了.
退一步來說, 姆斯15年的5項數據領先全隊, MJ也是沒有達成過.
那要求他再多拿3冠 3FMVP 也不過分吧?
-------------------------------------------------------------------
3.) 防守
MJ 是歷史上4位拿過DPOY的後衛之一,
防守第一隊的次數也就別提了,
我們要求姆斯拿一次DPOY好不好?
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4.) 數據
反正兩人打的位置不一樣,
傳統數據的比較沒啥意義.
就進階數據來說,
MJ在PER, WS/48, USG%是歷史第一.
LBJ在BPM,OBPM是歷史第一, 如果加上累加的數據, VORP也排第一.
只要他BPM, OBPM 直到退役那天還維持第一(MJ這兩項皆為歷史第二),
就算他目標達成好嗎?
---------------------------------------------------------------
5.) 榮耀
MJ LBJ
ROY 1 1
Finals Title 6 3
FMVP 6 3
MVP 5 4
All-NBA 11 13
All-Star 14 13
All-Star MVP 3 2
All-defensive 9 6
得分王 10 1
抄截王 3 0
DPOY 1 0
差距有點大, 我不知道怎麼定義超越, 大家給些意見吧.
--------------------------------------------------------------
6.) 傳奇球賽
MJ
-The Shot (1989 1st Round)
-The Move (1991 Finals)
-The Last Shot (1998 Finals)
-The Flu Game (1997 Finals)
-被嗆3份不好的半場6顆3分. (1992 Finals)
LBJ
-The Block (2016 Finals)
如果有漏掉姆斯的其他比賽,請幫忙補充,
要是沒有的話, 那麼就請姆斯後半段生涯補足5場吧.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
7.) 人氣與影響力
人氣
-MJ與LBJ加入NBA之後美國籃球愛好者比率
http://tinyurl.com/y76zbkxy
MJ : 1985 - 1998
LBJ : 2003 - 現在
影響力
球場內
-讓暴力球隊發明了Jordan Rules來對付他
-聯盟為了削弱他的單打威力而增加了"非法進攻"條例
http://tinyurl.com/k2y7rrb
球場外
-把公牛隊從虧錢球隊變成NBA最賺錢的球隊之一
-將NBA推廣全球
-場上每個人都學MJ吐舌頭 + 拉桿.
-幫Nike幹掉Converse, 從而創立了最賺錢的球鞋品牌Jordan Brand
-為美國經濟帶來的經濟效益 (請看下文)
http://www.ballgametime.com/news/1235.html
LBJ
球場內
????
球場外
????
-------------------------------------------------------------
就算撇開所有姆斯的負面訊息,
我越打到後面越是不懂得姆斯是如何威脅到MJ的地位.
--
: 雅各比進一步發表看法:「我認為喬丹之所以會選擇布萊恩,是因為他覺得他的地位已經
: 被詹姆斯所威脅。去年詹姆斯在總冠軍賽中的表現實在太驚人,我認為喬丹心中應該是已
: 經被他威脅到了。」這番辛辣言論,羅斯也深感同意。
MJ能夠被大多數人推崇為NBA歷來最偉大的球星,
不外乎綜合了 :
1.) 關鍵時刻的追分能力
2.) 總冠軍Finals的成績
3.) 防守
4.) 數據
5.) 榮耀
6.) 傳奇球賽
7.) 人氣與影響力
我們一項一項來看看姆斯會怎麼威脅到MJ的地位.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
1.) 關鍵時刻的追分能力
Playoff 最後24秒的追平或超前投籃
MJ 9-18
LBJ 8-24 (http://tinyurl.com/y9y4ug8r)
姆斯如果要追平MJ的命中率, 接下來得8投8中.
要是他以後8投全中, 大家都應該承認姆斯比較屌,
反正他會比MJ命中差不多兩倍的投籃.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
2.) 總冠軍Finals的成績
MJ 6-6 6FMVP
LBJ 3-8 3FMVP
就別再糾結冠軍賽全勝了, 反正姆斯也已經達成不了.
退一步來說, 姆斯15年的5項數據領先全隊, MJ也是沒有達成過.
那要求他再多拿3冠 3FMVP 也不過分吧?
-------------------------------------------------------------------
3.) 防守
MJ 是歷史上4位拿過DPOY的後衛之一,
防守第一隊的次數也就別提了,
我們要求姆斯拿一次DPOY好不好?
-----------------------------------------------------------------
4.) 數據
反正兩人打的位置不一樣,
傳統數據的比較沒啥意義.
就進階數據來說,
MJ在PER, WS/48, USG%是歷史第一.
LBJ在BPM,OBPM是歷史第一, 如果加上累加的數據, VORP也排第一.
只要他BPM, OBPM 直到退役那天還維持第一(MJ這兩項皆為歷史第二),
就算他目標達成好嗎?
---------------------------------------------------------------
5.) 榮耀
MJ LBJ
ROY 1 1
Finals Title 6 3
FMVP 6 3
MVP 5 4
All-NBA 11 13
All-Star 14 13
All-Star MVP 3 2
All-defensive 9 6
得分王 10 1
抄截王 3 0
DPOY 1 0
差距有點大, 我不知道怎麼定義超越, 大家給些意見吧.
--------------------------------------------------------------
6.) 傳奇球賽
MJ
-The Shot (1989 1st Round)
-The Move (1991 Finals)
-The Last Shot (1998 Finals)
-The Flu Game (1997 Finals)
-被嗆3份不好的半場6顆3分. (1992 Finals)
LBJ
-The Block (2016 Finals)
如果有漏掉姆斯的其他比賽,請幫忙補充,
要是沒有的話, 那麼就請姆斯後半段生涯補足5場吧.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
7.) 人氣與影響力
人氣
-MJ與LBJ加入NBA之後美國籃球愛好者比率
http://tinyurl.com/y76zbkxy
MJ : 1985 - 1998
LBJ : 2003 - 現在
影響力
球場內
-讓暴力球隊發明了Jordan Rules來對付他
-聯盟為了削弱他的單打威力而增加了"非法進攻"條例
http://tinyurl.com/k2y7rrb
球場外
-把公牛隊從虧錢球隊變成NBA最賺錢的球隊之一
-將NBA推廣全球
-場上每個人都學MJ吐舌頭 + 拉桿.
-幫Nike幹掉Converse, 從而創立了最賺錢的球鞋品牌Jordan Brand
-為美國經濟帶來的經濟效益 (請看下文)
http://www.ballgametime.com/news/1235.html
LBJ
球場內
????
球場外
????
-------------------------------------------------------------
就算撇開所有姆斯的負面訊息,
我越打到後面越是不懂得姆斯是如何威脅到MJ的地位.
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