勇士破72勝將遇到的障礙 - NBA

By Robert
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為了方便閱讀能力不足的板友 我先整理重點
(文章內用語較為犀利 玻璃心板友慎入)
提出比較Curry今年跟MJ 86-87年得分能力的比較的不是我
是"H板友"比較這兩年以後結論是 MJ這年跟Curry不在同Level
而我分析這兩年的數據以後跟他有不同看法
那些跟我說叫Curry多打幾年再說的 我建議你們可能要加強閱讀能力
※ 引述《huntai (婚帶)》之銘言:
: ※ 引述《dvd955363 ()》之銘言:
: : 建議不會解讀數據可以不要提數據 人要懂得隱藏短處
: : 比生涯實在沒啥好比Curry才幾年而已 未來的事情什麼都很難講
: : 搞不好能拿出更猛的表現 搞不好受傷就變成痛痛人
: : 比巔峰拿MJ 86-87年比Curry今年根本懶覺比雞腿
: : 當年的公牛總戰績是40-42 連五成都不到 勇士今年勝場數已經快超過了
: : 全隊第二得分點叫做Charles Oakley 當年平均得分14.5 FG 0.445
: : 這傢伙基本上就是個藍領 進攻能力普普通通
: : MJ這一年基本上就是進攻端獨稱大局
: : 你拿來跟Curry今年比得分?
: : 今年勇士其他球員跟跟當年公牛其他球員的得分能力才叫不在同一個LEVEL
: : 86-87年的MJ雖然得分高 效率卻遠不如Curry
: : Per 100 Poss
: : FG FGA PTS FG% eFG% TS%
: : MJ 86-87 16.8 34.8 46.4 0.482 0.484 0.562
: : SC 15-16 14.1 27.9 42.5 0.507 0.628 0.674
: : 出手少7次 以Curry的效率 多出手7次拿超過4分應該不是問題
: : FG% eFG% TS%
: : 另外列出MJ生涯最高 0.539 0.550 0.614
: 比得分能力比到一半竟然可以扯eFG%, TS%?
: eFG%, TS%綜合來看生涯沒人可以贏得過Tysan Chandler,
: 是不是得分王就得頒給他?
所以Curry得分不到MJ一半囉?
: 自己去查一查MJ的eFG%, TS%在NBA排到第幾?
同樣得分王 不同年代 不比效率要比啥?
: 一堆名射手, 名中前鋒的排名都跨過他,
: 誰會拿Nash, John Stockton, Ibaka這些不以得分能力著稱的球員跟MJ比得分能力?
誰拿這些出來比? 你自己腦補喔
Curry現在就是以得分能力著稱 不能比?
亞利安星人答辯法?
: 麻煩你再去找一下AI的eFG%, TS%排在第幾? 沒有排名!
: 是不是史上最矮的得分王的得分能力就比不過以上那些人?
: 你自己都會說各自的隊友的進攻能力是不同level,
: 兩邊的進攻壓力能比嗎?
先定義壓力怎算啦 不然怎麼吹都可以
照你吹法我也可以說MJ身材比同位置球員更有優勢
Curry只算是標準而已 比起來Curry受到的防守壓力比MJ更大
這種似是而非的比法也只有貴古文盲迷迷聽到會高潮而已
我個人不太愛提出來講
: 那不如乾脆假設讓他多17次出手, 讓得分超過張伯倫的最強一年?
: 多7次出手, 對手會一樣這樣防你? 到時候戰績會一樣嗎?
: 如果戰績下降, 教練還會繼續讓你多這7次出手?
: 我不懂那些自己解讀數據解讀得亂七八糟的人也可以這樣嗆人不會解讀數據?
又在亞利安星人答辯法
per 100 pos的7次不等於實際比賽的7次 懂?
照你的說法出手次數變高 效率會變低 也就是說出手次數變低效率就會變高囉
也就是說MJ出手次數低的賽季效率應該突破天際了
為了驗證你的說法 我特地找MJ出手次數比較低的賽季
扣掉頭尾兩年以外 找MJ年紀比較輕的賽季
per 100 pos
FG FGA FG% 2P% 3P% eFG% TS% PTS
MJ 88-89 14.7 27.3 0.538 0.553 0.276 0.546 0.614 32.5
MJ 90-91 16.4 30.4 0.539 0.551 0.312 0.547 0.605 31.5
SC 15-16 14.1 27.9 0.507 0.578 0.447 0.628 0.674 29.9
很可惜早年沒有統計出手分布 沒辦法有更進一步的比較
怪了 88-89 出手比 Curry 還低 照你吹法 MJ進攻效率應該屌打Curry
一定會有人說 MJ 兼顧防守端比較耗體力 還拿Hardan出來救援
請問Curry今年是有不防守嗎 Curry防守就不耗體力?
不是防守能力越強 在防守端耗能就越高好嗎
MJ天生條件不論身材 爆發力都在同位置上出類拔萃 而Curry只是中上而已
搞不好MJ防守端花的體力比例還比Curry低
這部份無法量化 所以我不納入考慮
考試考比別人好不見得一定念比別人久 懂?
我猜會有人說88-89年 Pippen跟Grant還未成熟
所以拿90-91奪冠年來比較 都已經是奪冠主力成員 分擔MJ進攻壓力應該綽綽有餘
結果發現並無顯著差異
實際看數據下來 我認為今年到目前為止的Curry進攻能力跟MJ同level並無問題
有不同意見可以提出你的level定義法告訴我
除了光看pts以外
怎樣的定義可以讓 MJ 與 Curry 在不同區間 並且 MJ > Curry
--
(文章內用語較為犀利 玻璃心板友慎入)
提出比較Curry今年跟MJ 86-87年得分能力的比較的不是我
是"H板友"比較這兩年以後結論是 MJ這年跟Curry不在同Level
而我分析這兩年的數據以後跟他有不同看法
那些跟我說叫Curry多打幾年再說的 我建議你們可能要加強閱讀能力
※ 引述《huntai (婚帶)》之銘言:
: ※ 引述《dvd955363 ()》之銘言:
: : 建議不會解讀數據可以不要提數據 人要懂得隱藏短處
: : 比生涯實在沒啥好比Curry才幾年而已 未來的事情什麼都很難講
: : 搞不好能拿出更猛的表現 搞不好受傷就變成痛痛人
: : 比巔峰拿MJ 86-87年比Curry今年根本懶覺比雞腿
: : 當年的公牛總戰績是40-42 連五成都不到 勇士今年勝場數已經快超過了
: : 全隊第二得分點叫做Charles Oakley 當年平均得分14.5 FG 0.445
: : 這傢伙基本上就是個藍領 進攻能力普普通通
: : MJ這一年基本上就是進攻端獨稱大局
: : 你拿來跟Curry今年比得分?
: : 今年勇士其他球員跟跟當年公牛其他球員的得分能力才叫不在同一個LEVEL
: : 86-87年的MJ雖然得分高 效率卻遠不如Curry
: : Per 100 Poss
: : FG FGA PTS FG% eFG% TS%
: : MJ 86-87 16.8 34.8 46.4 0.482 0.484 0.562
: : SC 15-16 14.1 27.9 42.5 0.507 0.628 0.674
: : 出手少7次 以Curry的效率 多出手7次拿超過4分應該不是問題
: : FG% eFG% TS%
: : 另外列出MJ生涯最高 0.539 0.550 0.614
: 比得分能力比到一半竟然可以扯eFG%, TS%?
: eFG%, TS%綜合來看生涯沒人可以贏得過Tysan Chandler,
: 是不是得分王就得頒給他?
所以Curry得分不到MJ一半囉?
: 自己去查一查MJ的eFG%, TS%在NBA排到第幾?
同樣得分王 不同年代 不比效率要比啥?
: 一堆名射手, 名中前鋒的排名都跨過他,
: 誰會拿Nash, John Stockton, Ibaka這些不以得分能力著稱的球員跟MJ比得分能力?
誰拿這些出來比? 你自己腦補喔
Curry現在就是以得分能力著稱 不能比?
亞利安星人答辯法?
: 麻煩你再去找一下AI的eFG%, TS%排在第幾? 沒有排名!
: 是不是史上最矮的得分王的得分能力就比不過以上那些人?
: 你自己都會說各自的隊友的進攻能力是不同level,
: 兩邊的進攻壓力能比嗎?
先定義壓力怎算啦 不然怎麼吹都可以
照你吹法我也可以說MJ身材比同位置球員更有優勢
Curry只算是標準而已 比起來Curry受到的防守壓力比MJ更大
這種似是而非的比法也只有貴古文盲迷迷聽到會高潮而已
我個人不太愛提出來講
: 那不如乾脆假設讓他多17次出手, 讓得分超過張伯倫的最強一年?
: 多7次出手, 對手會一樣這樣防你? 到時候戰績會一樣嗎?
: 如果戰績下降, 教練還會繼續讓你多這7次出手?
: 我不懂那些自己解讀數據解讀得亂七八糟的人也可以這樣嗆人不會解讀數據?
又在亞利安星人答辯法
per 100 pos的7次不等於實際比賽的7次 懂?
照你的說法出手次數變高 效率會變低 也就是說出手次數變低效率就會變高囉
也就是說MJ出手次數低的賽季效率應該突破天際了
為了驗證你的說法 我特地找MJ出手次數比較低的賽季
扣掉頭尾兩年以外 找MJ年紀比較輕的賽季
per 100 pos
FG FGA FG% 2P% 3P% eFG% TS% PTS
MJ 88-89 14.7 27.3 0.538 0.553 0.276 0.546 0.614 32.5
MJ 90-91 16.4 30.4 0.539 0.551 0.312 0.547 0.605 31.5
SC 15-16 14.1 27.9 0.507 0.578 0.447 0.628 0.674 29.9
很可惜早年沒有統計出手分布 沒辦法有更進一步的比較
怪了 88-89 出手比 Curry 還低 照你吹法 MJ進攻效率應該屌打Curry
一定會有人說 MJ 兼顧防守端比較耗體力 還拿Hardan出來救援
請問Curry今年是有不防守嗎 Curry防守就不耗體力?
不是防守能力越強 在防守端耗能就越高好嗎
MJ天生條件不論身材 爆發力都在同位置上出類拔萃 而Curry只是中上而已
搞不好MJ防守端花的體力比例還比Curry低
這部份無法量化 所以我不納入考慮
考試考比別人好不見得一定念比別人久 懂?
我猜會有人說88-89年 Pippen跟Grant還未成熟
所以拿90-91奪冠年來比較 都已經是奪冠主力成員 分擔MJ進攻壓力應該綽綽有餘
結果發現並無顯著差異
實際看數據下來 我認為今年到目前為止的Curry進攻能力跟MJ同level並無問題
有不同意見可以提出你的level定義法告訴我
除了光看pts以外
怎樣的定義可以讓 MJ 與 Curry 在不同區間 並且 MJ > Curry
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