Vogel教練用人是否太急? - NBA

By Yuri
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Table of Contents
※ 引述《ashebird (你艾希屌嗎?)》之銘言:
: 馬甲扛c 拉開空間
: 讓哈肉跟控球的打擋拆
: 另外兩個外圍射手
雖然已經講過無數次了,但請大家不要嫌我煩,再講一次:
黑肉(Montrezl Harrell)是打中鋒,他上場時從來不會搭配另一個中鋒。
本季湖人隊,Gasol、Drummond甚至Damian Jones,跟Harrell搭配的時間是:0
一直有人幻想甚至說他看過Gasol打中鋒、Harrell打四號的高低位搭配,
我都懷疑是不是玩2K用很順,忘了現實上沒有這樣出現過任何一秒鐘?
自從Drummond加入之後,絕大多數時間Vogel的用法就是:C3取2
Drummond保證先發,Harrell跟Gasol挑一個用,通常板凳的是Gasol。
AD回來,半個月前對達拉斯獨行俠的二連戰裡,Vogel教練乾脆這樣實驗組合:
第一場,Drummond 30分40秒 Harrell 17分20秒。Marc Gasol--DNP。
第二場,Drummond 29分32秒 Gasol 18分28秒。Montrezl Harrell--DNP。
後來對國王時,因為Drummond的犯規麻煩,Marc Gasol上來扛了8分鐘,效果還可以。
下一場對暴龍,直接把Marc Gasol放冰箱,再一場DNP。
這四場球湖人全輸。
甚至更糟糕的調度是,國王戰LBJ復出,馬上打了32分鐘。
暴龍戰Drummond第二節陷入犯規麻煩時,Vogel的作法是「AD打中鋒,姆斯站四號」。
然後姆斯就受傷部位酸痛休兵了,這兩場也都沒上。
在這場對暴龍輸掉後,Kuzma才有了希望Marc Gasol多上場的發言。
下一場對金塊,又是Drummond先發,Harrell替補的輪替方式。
直到第二節Drummond又犯規過多,這次Vogel總算派上Marc Gasol,效果非常好。
但Gasol下一次上場,還是要等到Drummond在第三節又遇到犯規麻煩(苦笑)。
結果這次上場就打爆金塊了,湖人第四節一度領先到14分。
然後,Vogel教練又擺出雙AD,當然也是因為Gasol已經快累死了。
Gasol下場,金塊整個復活,剩一分半時追到兩分差,
逼不得已,Vogel再把Gasol換上場,Drummond板凳,就這樣贏了這場球。
包括最關鍵的那個THT自投自搶補進,其實也是Gasol卡住準備搶籃板的Jokic。
打完之後湖板都笑說謝謝裁判幫忙「還好把Drummond吹下去,Gasol才有機會上場」
而且Vogel還是堅持他的C3取2調度,下半場用了Gasol,Harrell就一秒鐘未上了。
目前看起來,AD跟Drummond一起上場時,攻防都會失據,
這個問題不小,而且看起來還找不到解決的方法。
嫌文章太長的,重點:
一、太操剛傷癒的LBJ,結果打一場半就高掛免戰牌。
二、中鋒使用時間分配不定,且Marc Gasol效果最好卻被擺在第三順位常上不了場。
三、Harrell是當中鋒用,本季他沒有站過任何一次四號位跟其他中鋒搭配過。
四、雙AD的實驗目前看起來是敗分奇快無比。
大概是這樣啦。
--
: 馬甲扛c 拉開空間
: 讓哈肉跟控球的打擋拆
: 另外兩個外圍射手
雖然已經講過無數次了,但請大家不要嫌我煩,再講一次:
黑肉(Montrezl Harrell)是打中鋒,他上場時從來不會搭配另一個中鋒。
本季湖人隊,Gasol、Drummond甚至Damian Jones,跟Harrell搭配的時間是:0
一直有人幻想甚至說他看過Gasol打中鋒、Harrell打四號的高低位搭配,
我都懷疑是不是玩2K用很順,忘了現實上沒有這樣出現過任何一秒鐘?
自從Drummond加入之後,絕大多數時間Vogel的用法就是:C3取2
Drummond保證先發,Harrell跟Gasol挑一個用,通常板凳的是Gasol。
AD回來,半個月前對達拉斯獨行俠的二連戰裡,Vogel教練乾脆這樣實驗組合:
第一場,Drummond 30分40秒 Harrell 17分20秒。Marc Gasol--DNP。
第二場,Drummond 29分32秒 Gasol 18分28秒。Montrezl Harrell--DNP。
後來對國王時,因為Drummond的犯規麻煩,Marc Gasol上來扛了8分鐘,效果還可以。
下一場對暴龍,直接把Marc Gasol放冰箱,再一場DNP。
這四場球湖人全輸。
甚至更糟糕的調度是,國王戰LBJ復出,馬上打了32分鐘。
暴龍戰Drummond第二節陷入犯規麻煩時,Vogel的作法是「AD打中鋒,姆斯站四號」。
然後姆斯就受傷部位酸痛休兵了,這兩場也都沒上。
在這場對暴龍輸掉後,Kuzma才有了希望Marc Gasol多上場的發言。
下一場對金塊,又是Drummond先發,Harrell替補的輪替方式。
直到第二節Drummond又犯規過多,這次Vogel總算派上Marc Gasol,效果非常好。
但Gasol下一次上場,還是要等到Drummond在第三節又遇到犯規麻煩(苦笑)。
結果這次上場就打爆金塊了,湖人第四節一度領先到14分。
然後,Vogel教練又擺出雙AD,當然也是因為Gasol已經快累死了。
Gasol下場,金塊整個復活,剩一分半時追到兩分差,
逼不得已,Vogel再把Gasol換上場,Drummond板凳,就這樣贏了這場球。
包括最關鍵的那個THT自投自搶補進,其實也是Gasol卡住準備搶籃板的Jokic。
打完之後湖板都笑說謝謝裁判幫忙「還好把Drummond吹下去,Gasol才有機會上場」
而且Vogel還是堅持他的C3取2調度,下半場用了Gasol,Harrell就一秒鐘未上了。
目前看起來,AD跟Drummond一起上場時,攻防都會失據,
這個問題不小,而且看起來還找不到解決的方法。
嫌文章太長的,重點:
一、太操剛傷癒的LBJ,結果打一場半就高掛免戰牌。
二、中鋒使用時間分配不定,且Marc Gasol效果最好卻被擺在第三順位常上不了場。
三、Harrell是當中鋒用,本季他沒有站過任何一次四號位跟其他中鋒搭配過。
四、雙AD的實驗目前看起來是敗分奇快無比。
大概是這樣啦。
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的沒有想贏的感覺……

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後附加賽甚至還有季後賽的話還要這樣繼續實驗到下
季再來嗎QQ

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By Steve
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也沒有值得經紀人硬挺的價值吧。比較合理的解釋是V
ogel覺得雙AD的上限比較高,所以頭鐵了練下去

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at 2022-05-13T08:37
at 2022-05-13T08:37
開高價要他 只因為數據是在湖人刷的?
推王桑好文

By Rosalind
at 2022-05-16T22:59
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By Adele
at 2022-05-19T01:39
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By Thomas
at 2022-05-20T19:25
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By Rebecca
at 2022-05-21T18:51
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By Robert
at 2022-05-23T02:34
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By Candice
at 2022-05-26T06:31
at 2022-05-26T06:31
都快笑死,那種粗糙的進攻技巧根本就是在送球權給
快艇,我是Vogal,我還不如叫Kuzma自己自幹就好

By Quintina
at 2022-05-27T03:04
at 2022-05-27T03:04
要到了

By Selena
at 2022-05-30T22:33
at 2022-05-30T22:33

By Tom
at 2022-06-02T05:23
at 2022-06-02T05:23
就像覺得一直出手就能當Kobe的旋轉門

By Gary
at 2022-06-05T13:12
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By Margaret
at 2022-06-08T11:31
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By Rae
at 2022-06-12T20:52
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By Gary
at 2022-06-17T09:50
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By Iris
at 2022-06-19T22:50
at 2022-06-19T22:50
上幹他了

By Doris
at 2022-06-24T03:42
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By Valerie
at 2022-06-26T14:11
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By Tracy
at 2022-06-29T19:04
at 2022-06-29T19:04
算季後賽冰起來也好過當時跑去籃網 ,例行賽撐下
體力耗損,季後賽坐板凳真的走不遠也不能算底薪的
鍋吧QQ

By Candice
at 2022-07-03T17:18
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By Linda
at 2022-07-06T21:17
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By Leila
at 2022-07-08T03:56
at 2022-07-08T03:56
看起來一點點能做擋拆開路的可能性都沒有

By Cara
at 2022-07-10T13:24
at 2022-07-10T13:24

By Xanthe
at 2022-07-15T09:54
at 2022-07-15T09:54
繞著他打,這樣湖人還算有兩套攻擊系統

By Jake
at 2022-07-20T04:31
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By Bennie
at 2022-07-20T15:11
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By Genevieve
at 2022-07-22T03:26
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By Enid
at 2022-07-24T00:00
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By Joseph
at 2022-07-24T08:28
at 2022-07-24T08:28
能性跟搭配,真的不是隨便擺擺就有成效,難怪一堆陣
容好的球隊教練會被開除。其實有時候表面看似滿手好
牌,湊在一起就是很棘手,還不如方針明確的組成(去
年綠葉們功能性跟目的性很明確,今年到季末還在試車
)球員該作的工作沒做好,球迷檢討起來也比較容易看
得懂

By Michael
at 2022-07-25T10:36
at 2022-07-25T10:36

By Ula
at 2022-07-27T08:05
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By Regina
at 2022-07-29T22:53
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By Regina
at 2022-08-02T03:53
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By Selena
at 2022-08-05T15:41
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By Michael
at 2022-08-08T16:43
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By Jake
at 2022-08-12T19:55
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By Victoria
at 2022-08-15T07:06
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By Connor
at 2022-08-19T16:55
at 2022-08-19T16:55
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