Rodman:聯盟變太快,球員奪不了冠就會被 - NBA

By Thomas
at 2017-02-10T18:38
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※ 引述《casatwl (Bravo!)》之銘言:
: 先聲明幾點,
: 1. 我並不認為當年 Rodman 搞怪求延長合約的做法是對的。
他應該不是為了求延長合約,純粹是他超不爽馬刺隊的軍校生生活,自傳中
有特別提到這點,前後任教練管束他場下的力道與方式差距大到他不能忍。
小蟲並不是個視財如命的球員,場上場下均是表裡如一的男人。
: 2. Rodman 在季後賽不幫 Robinson 防守 Olajuwon,這一點不服從
: 教練與 Popovich 所下的防守方針也是錯的。
: 但是不能把馬刺的輸球單純怪在這一點上,因為 Rodman 真的
: 去包夾了,會不會造成火箭隊那群瘋狂射手更加猖狂呢?
當年即便是到了季後賽,因為規則限制你不能每回合都明目張膽的使用區域聯防
(別說當年禁用就沒球隊用,那是假的,幾乎全部球員都是NCAA體系出來的不可能
不懂不用),所以輪轉防守不可能像貴今籃球般轉的這麼快,面對歐拉的包夾力道沒到
揍死喬丹程度,下場就是漏人被射滿臉。
而小蟲有個特異功能,他能知道場上球員出手不進後球的彈向,對位者今日狀態好壞
而決定要怎麼"下手"料理對手。他發現對位的對手是離他遠一點就能射你滿臉讓你像
個白癡,而自己去幫隊上第一王牌在防守上擦屁股發現還擦不乾淨,驚覺自己是白癡
中的白癡。他問自己要不要遵照教練指示繼續擦下去?你認為是對的,就是對的。
而在中場休息期間小蟲發現上將因為被歐拉打爆而在休息室發抖後整個心態炸裂,
這種行為就像嘴夢綠在場上嘴KD一樣,你認為是對的,就是對的。不過小蟲還有給上將
一點面子,沒在球場上直接給上將難堪;這個事件和包夾問題在他自傳裡有提及過,
假設隊上的第一王牌如同西河、司機、LBJ這般領頭羊被打爆時不思振作反像個娘娘腔
瑟瑟發抖時,他試圖以自己的方式讓比賽堅持下去,就像我們貴今看軟豆、甜瓜的作法
一樣你認為是對的,就是對的。
當年的歐拉在季後賽打的有多兇殘? 轉隊前的LBJ大戰活塞5虎的系列賽有印象吧?
當年的歐拉季後賽幾乎是等同威力殺爆其他球隊禁區晉級,兩年都在普遍不被看好
情況下出線,爆冷二連霸。不管季前季後甚至冠軍出爐前非忠實球迷大都不認為火箭
能贏下,就像單核騎士lbj一樣,對手的陣容總是比較堅實、耐碰撞。但歐拉做到了,
所以他贏下四大中鋒首席,90年代喬丹外第一人。
: 3. 1994-95 球季 Rodman 被球團整的很慘,出賽 49 場中只有 26 場先發,
: 這對當時的連三屆籃板王與曾經的兩屆 DPOY 來說根本是羞辱吧!
: 當然很多人會覺得 Rodman 罪有應得,因為不服從球團。
: 不過當時的 GM 與教練,應該也要認知到,這樣去整一個桀傲不馴的 Rodman,
: 還有辦法希望他在季後賽乖乖聽話嗎?XD
恰巧最近也有幾個球員和教練、管理層鬧不和,不管是不聽教練戰術進冰箱、退先發
還是不聽管理層打三角戰術,有沒有乖乖聽話我是不知道啦,因為最後場上還是
生不出三角。這樣的類比可能比較能讓貴今們進入狀況,你認為是對的,就是對的。
以前發生的衝突以現今眼光來看就是這樣,反正這類戲碼日後還會再上演,風向是可以
被炒作的,看看馬大少...以前風向偏管理層,現在偏球員,而我把這種變化稱為
貴古賤今。或許若干年後風向會再次吹回來,那就只是再一輪的貴古賤今,沒啥大不了。
: 4. Popovich 是軍人出身,Robinson 也是軍人出身,希望 Rodman 服從球隊是
: 在正常不過的事。
: Rodman 在 1993-94 球季不就乖乖聽話、認真出賽全力輔佐 Robinson 嗎?
: 當時有聽過他公開批評過 Robinson 嗎?
: 5. Popovich 當時雖然是球隊 GM,但是跨過 Bob Hill 過度插手球隊內部事務
: 是不是妥當也很難說。
: 當時 Popovich 在季後賽時還跑進休息室大吼 Rodman,叫他去防守 Olajuwon。
: Popovich 的脾氣大家都知道,二十年前的 Popovich 肯定是更為火爆的。
: 6. 為什麼 Robinson 會被酸心理素質呢?
: 查一查 Robinson 在季賽對決 Olajuwon 的數據就知道 (1995 以前),
: 兩人成績並不是一面倒的,球隊勝負甚至是 Robinson 佔優。
: Robinson 還拿過得分王與單場 71 分,得分能力並不輸 Olajuwon。
: 兩人都拿過 DPOY,也是公認防守一流。
: 可是一到季後賽怎麼全都變了樣呢?
: 1995 西區決賽
: FG% Pts Reb Ast Stl Blk PER
: Olajuwon 56.0 35.3 12.5 5.0 1.3 4.2 35.5
: Robinson 44.9 23.8 11.3 2.7 1.5 2.2 22.2
: 1994-95 季賽成績
: FG% Pts Reb Ast Stl Blk PER
: Olajuwon 51.7 27.8 10.8 3.5 1.8 3.4 26.0
: Robinson 53.0 27.6 10.8 2.9 1.7 3.2 29.1
: 除了心理素質以外,真的很難去解釋為什麼 Robinson 無法
: 跟 Olajuwon 在季後賽互爆。
: 媒體與球迷的觀點是:
: Robinson 你在季賽成績不輸 Olajuwon,團隊勝利還佔優勢。
: 怎麼一到季後賽,Robinson 與馬刺團隊防守被 Olajuwon 打爆。
: 而 Robinson 卻無法打爆 Olajuwon 與火箭團隊防守。
: 這真的是個謎,所以只能用心理素質來解釋了。
: : 推 huntai : Popo這段寫反了吧? 當初Popo也認為Rodman值得加薪 02/10 00:37
: : → huntai : 3.5Mil, 但是Rodman卻在開季訓練營搞失蹤 02/10 00:37
: : → huntai : 然後一系列的罰款, 禁賽, 脫序, 請假, 搞到Popo極度 02/10 00:38
: : → huntai : 不爽.還放話 "我要是跟他談加薪我就是個白癡" 02/10 00:39
: : → huntai : 員工要老闆加薪,公司守則就算你不再不屑至少也做做 02/10 00:40
: : → huntai : 樣子吧. Rodman這樣自己一副老大的樣子, 再加上Popo 02/10 00:41
: : → huntai : 這麼注重紀律的人, 你不是明著逼他趕走你嗎? 02/10 00:41
: https://tinyurl.com/heukwdp
: San Antonio Spurs general manager Bob Bass On benefits of trade (via LA
: Times):
: “Everybody thought we were a marshmallow team. In making this trade we feel
: we have really improved in (rebounding). He said he just wanted to win and
: would show us how to win. In Dennis Rodman, I think we have one of the most
: unique players that has ever played basketball. He proved his value to
: Detroit last year. They were 4-15 without Rodman and 36-26 with him, and
: their defensive average was 98 points with Rodman and 112 points without him.
: Those are astounding statistics.”
: Spurs head coach John Lucas:
: “Rodman is the type of player who will be good for me.”
: -------------------------------
: 交易來 Rodman 的 GM 與當時的教練都把 Rodman 當寶,Rodman 感覺到被重視,
: 1993-94 球季他當然是全力以赴回報 GM 與教練的善意。
: 過了一年換了新的 GM 與教練,怎知對待 Rodman 的態度如天壤之別呢?
: 這種情況下希望任何一位球員能夠保持表現,應該是一件很困難的事吧!
: -------------------------------
: http://articles.latimes.com/1995-05-10/sports/sp-64421_1_jack-haley/2
: By the time this season started, the Spurs were under new management.
: The new CEO, Robert McDermott, an insurance magnate, liked to be called
: "General," his rank in the reserves. Lucas was encouraged to leave. McDermott
: hired no-nonsense Gregg Popovich as general manager. Popovich brought in
: straight-arrow Coach Bob Hill.
: Rodman was no easy convert. In Detroit, he had lamented Chuck Daly's exit so
: keenly, he wouldn't talk to his successor, Ron Rothstein.
: Rodman had a promise from the prior administration to extend his contract,
: adding a season at $6 million. The new people said he had to prove himself
: first and act like everyone else too.
: By way of reply, Rodman blew off the pre-camp dinner and arrived late for the
: first exhibition. They put him on leave, then suspended him for the first
: month of the season.
: ---------------------------------------
: Rodman 在 1993-94 球季的表現還不夠讓新團隊為他延長合約,
: 新的 GM Popovich 告訴他,除了場上表現要證明自己以外,
: 你必須跟其他人一樣服從球隊指命。
: 等做到這些以後,再來談加薪。
朕不給,你不能搶。
對當年全球普遍排斥同性戀的年代,敢公開跳出來穿女裝、染彩紅頭的首位nba球員來說
大概是這樣理解的。
--
: 先聲明幾點,
: 1. 我並不認為當年 Rodman 搞怪求延長合約的做法是對的。
他應該不是為了求延長合約,純粹是他超不爽馬刺隊的軍校生生活,自傳中
有特別提到這點,前後任教練管束他場下的力道與方式差距大到他不能忍。
小蟲並不是個視財如命的球員,場上場下均是表裡如一的男人。
: 2. Rodman 在季後賽不幫 Robinson 防守 Olajuwon,這一點不服從
: 教練與 Popovich 所下的防守方針也是錯的。
: 但是不能把馬刺的輸球單純怪在這一點上,因為 Rodman 真的
: 去包夾了,會不會造成火箭隊那群瘋狂射手更加猖狂呢?
當年即便是到了季後賽,因為規則限制你不能每回合都明目張膽的使用區域聯防
(別說當年禁用就沒球隊用,那是假的,幾乎全部球員都是NCAA體系出來的不可能
不懂不用),所以輪轉防守不可能像貴今籃球般轉的這麼快,面對歐拉的包夾力道沒到
揍死喬丹程度,下場就是漏人被射滿臉。
而小蟲有個特異功能,他能知道場上球員出手不進後球的彈向,對位者今日狀態好壞
而決定要怎麼"下手"料理對手。他發現對位的對手是離他遠一點就能射你滿臉讓你像
個白癡,而自己去幫隊上第一王牌在防守上擦屁股發現還擦不乾淨,驚覺自己是白癡
中的白癡。他問自己要不要遵照教練指示繼續擦下去?你認為是對的,就是對的。
而在中場休息期間小蟲發現上將因為被歐拉打爆而在休息室發抖後整個心態炸裂,
這種行為就像嘴夢綠在場上嘴KD一樣,你認為是對的,就是對的。不過小蟲還有給上將
一點面子,沒在球場上直接給上將難堪;這個事件和包夾問題在他自傳裡有提及過,
假設隊上的第一王牌如同西河、司機、LBJ這般領頭羊被打爆時不思振作反像個娘娘腔
瑟瑟發抖時,他試圖以自己的方式讓比賽堅持下去,就像我們貴今看軟豆、甜瓜的作法
一樣你認為是對的,就是對的。
當年的歐拉在季後賽打的有多兇殘? 轉隊前的LBJ大戰活塞5虎的系列賽有印象吧?
當年的歐拉季後賽幾乎是等同威力殺爆其他球隊禁區晉級,兩年都在普遍不被看好
情況下出線,爆冷二連霸。不管季前季後甚至冠軍出爐前非忠實球迷大都不認為火箭
能贏下,就像單核騎士lbj一樣,對手的陣容總是比較堅實、耐碰撞。但歐拉做到了,
所以他贏下四大中鋒首席,90年代喬丹外第一人。
: 3. 1994-95 球季 Rodman 被球團整的很慘,出賽 49 場中只有 26 場先發,
: 這對當時的連三屆籃板王與曾經的兩屆 DPOY 來說根本是羞辱吧!
: 當然很多人會覺得 Rodman 罪有應得,因為不服從球團。
: 不過當時的 GM 與教練,應該也要認知到,這樣去整一個桀傲不馴的 Rodman,
: 還有辦法希望他在季後賽乖乖聽話嗎?XD
恰巧最近也有幾個球員和教練、管理層鬧不和,不管是不聽教練戰術進冰箱、退先發
還是不聽管理層打三角戰術,有沒有乖乖聽話我是不知道啦,因為最後場上還是
生不出三角。這樣的類比可能比較能讓貴今們進入狀況,你認為是對的,就是對的。
以前發生的衝突以現今眼光來看就是這樣,反正這類戲碼日後還會再上演,風向是可以
被炒作的,看看馬大少...以前風向偏管理層,現在偏球員,而我把這種變化稱為
貴古賤今。或許若干年後風向會再次吹回來,那就只是再一輪的貴古賤今,沒啥大不了。
: 4. Popovich 是軍人出身,Robinson 也是軍人出身,希望 Rodman 服從球隊是
: 在正常不過的事。
: Rodman 在 1993-94 球季不就乖乖聽話、認真出賽全力輔佐 Robinson 嗎?
: 當時有聽過他公開批評過 Robinson 嗎?
: 5. Popovich 當時雖然是球隊 GM,但是跨過 Bob Hill 過度插手球隊內部事務
: 是不是妥當也很難說。
: 當時 Popovich 在季後賽時還跑進休息室大吼 Rodman,叫他去防守 Olajuwon。
: Popovich 的脾氣大家都知道,二十年前的 Popovich 肯定是更為火爆的。
: 6. 為什麼 Robinson 會被酸心理素質呢?
: 查一查 Robinson 在季賽對決 Olajuwon 的數據就知道 (1995 以前),
: 兩人成績並不是一面倒的,球隊勝負甚至是 Robinson 佔優。
: Robinson 還拿過得分王與單場 71 分,得分能力並不輸 Olajuwon。
: 兩人都拿過 DPOY,也是公認防守一流。
: 可是一到季後賽怎麼全都變了樣呢?
: 1995 西區決賽
: FG% Pts Reb Ast Stl Blk PER
: Olajuwon 56.0 35.3 12.5 5.0 1.3 4.2 35.5
: Robinson 44.9 23.8 11.3 2.7 1.5 2.2 22.2
: 1994-95 季賽成績
: FG% Pts Reb Ast Stl Blk PER
: Olajuwon 51.7 27.8 10.8 3.5 1.8 3.4 26.0
: Robinson 53.0 27.6 10.8 2.9 1.7 3.2 29.1
: 除了心理素質以外,真的很難去解釋為什麼 Robinson 無法
: 跟 Olajuwon 在季後賽互爆。
: 媒體與球迷的觀點是:
: Robinson 你在季賽成績不輸 Olajuwon,團隊勝利還佔優勢。
: 怎麼一到季後賽,Robinson 與馬刺團隊防守被 Olajuwon 打爆。
: 而 Robinson 卻無法打爆 Olajuwon 與火箭團隊防守。
: 這真的是個謎,所以只能用心理素質來解釋了。
: : 推 huntai : Popo這段寫反了吧? 當初Popo也認為Rodman值得加薪 02/10 00:37
: : → huntai : 3.5Mil, 但是Rodman卻在開季訓練營搞失蹤 02/10 00:37
: : → huntai : 然後一系列的罰款, 禁賽, 脫序, 請假, 搞到Popo極度 02/10 00:38
: : → huntai : 不爽.還放話 "我要是跟他談加薪我就是個白癡" 02/10 00:39
: : → huntai : 員工要老闆加薪,公司守則就算你不再不屑至少也做做 02/10 00:40
: : → huntai : 樣子吧. Rodman這樣自己一副老大的樣子, 再加上Popo 02/10 00:41
: : → huntai : 這麼注重紀律的人, 你不是明著逼他趕走你嗎? 02/10 00:41
: https://tinyurl.com/heukwdp
: San Antonio Spurs general manager Bob Bass On benefits of trade (via LA
: Times):
: “Everybody thought we were a marshmallow team. In making this trade we feel
: we have really improved in (rebounding). He said he just wanted to win and
: would show us how to win. In Dennis Rodman, I think we have one of the most
: unique players that has ever played basketball. He proved his value to
: Detroit last year. They were 4-15 without Rodman and 36-26 with him, and
: their defensive average was 98 points with Rodman and 112 points without him.
: Those are astounding statistics.”
: Spurs head coach John Lucas:
: “Rodman is the type of player who will be good for me.”
: -------------------------------
: 交易來 Rodman 的 GM 與當時的教練都把 Rodman 當寶,Rodman 感覺到被重視,
: 1993-94 球季他當然是全力以赴回報 GM 與教練的善意。
: 過了一年換了新的 GM 與教練,怎知對待 Rodman 的態度如天壤之別呢?
: 這種情況下希望任何一位球員能夠保持表現,應該是一件很困難的事吧!
: -------------------------------
: http://articles.latimes.com/1995-05-10/sports/sp-64421_1_jack-haley/2
: By the time this season started, the Spurs were under new management.
: The new CEO, Robert McDermott, an insurance magnate, liked to be called
: "General," his rank in the reserves. Lucas was encouraged to leave. McDermott
: hired no-nonsense Gregg Popovich as general manager. Popovich brought in
: straight-arrow Coach Bob Hill.
: Rodman was no easy convert. In Detroit, he had lamented Chuck Daly's exit so
: keenly, he wouldn't talk to his successor, Ron Rothstein.
: Rodman had a promise from the prior administration to extend his contract,
: adding a season at $6 million. The new people said he had to prove himself
: first and act like everyone else too.
: By way of reply, Rodman blew off the pre-camp dinner and arrived late for the
: first exhibition. They put him on leave, then suspended him for the first
: month of the season.
: ---------------------------------------
: Rodman 在 1993-94 球季的表現還不夠讓新團隊為他延長合約,
: 新的 GM Popovich 告訴他,除了場上表現要證明自己以外,
: 你必須跟其他人一樣服從球隊指命。
: 等做到這些以後,再來談加薪。
朕不給,你不能搶。
對當年全球普遍排斥同性戀的年代,敢公開跳出來穿女裝、染彩紅頭的首位nba球員來說
大概是這樣理解的。
--
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