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作者: IBMbuyer (賤鵝一隻) 看板: NBA
標題: Re: [新聞] Lakers Thought They Had A Kidd Deal …
時間: Fri Feb 23 15:13:06 2007
唉,湖人版的那些詳細解說叫做詳細誤導,這段期間他們一直都在蒐
集與詮釋對己方樂觀的資訊,而從來沒有弄清楚 Thorn 的意圖。 到
現在,我還在看湖人迷在那邊說「籃網根本沒有搞清楚怎麼重建」,
可見湖人迷從頭到尾沒有搞清楚一個關鍵:「籃網根本沒有打算拆掉
重建 (rebuild)」。如果你不幫他們思考這一季或下一季怎樣打進季
後賽,或是給他們更大的交易彈性讓他們在今年暑假能夠透過交易立
即回復競爭力,如果你不去思考這些東西,還以為一堆選秀權與到期
合約,再加上財大氣粗的老闆進來砸下一些銀兩,就可以「協助」籃
網「重建」,那結果就像是我們今天看到的。
這次的交易情勢已經很明顯了。湖人單方面追 Kidd 追得非常凶,而
Kidd 這邊也不反對,Kidd 的經紀人也出動了,媒體也是每天助陣,
隨便找消息來源在外面講一些有的沒的。那,為什麼這堆疲勞轟炸也
只能達到:讓 Thorn 差點自暴自棄放人, 結果隔天早上起來精神恢
復,想著『他媽的我為什麼要做這種鳥交易』,轉而通告湖人方沒有
Bynum 就不要在打電話來勾勾纏了。湖人迷說這個叫做出爾反爾,我
看這跟本就叫做「回頭是岸」。不信的話,湖人迷就把你們家的交易
提案來這裡 po 一 po,然後說服這裡多數球迷:Kidd 只值這些垃圾,
經過這樣的交易籃網可以保持競爭力。
資深總管怎麼考量球隊的發展,根本不用球迷教。當年黃蜂的老闆苛
得要命,Bass 照樣幫他的球隊維持競爭力。 相較之下,現在籃網的
老闆荷包口袋還比較鬆一些。當年籃網的經營權轉手,新老闆 Ratner
很快就從經驗中學習,擺脫預算緊縮的那套蠢思維並站穩了腳步,VC
來了,最後整個方向被證明是有利的(金塊成為苦主)。這背後都是
Thorn 在撐的。
那些頭腦單純到會以為「球隊經營不是花大錢就是省大錢」的球迷,
也該醒醒了。翻開今日聯盟各隊的薪資狀況,你會發現各隊的薪資是
相當接近的。在豪華稅與各項交易操作規則的規訓下,省大錢或砸大
錢都是愚蠢的行為(使用 hoophype 時記得要把赦免條款合約考慮進
去)。
這年頭不想要逾越豪華稅門檻的球隊比比皆是,在各隊口袋緊縮的狀
態下,保持球隊競爭力的思想反而是聰明的。那些動不動就要戰績不
好的球隊「打掉重建」的思想真的是太氾濫了,在國外的論壇也是。
NBA 又不是 MLB,我實在很不欣賞有些強隊的球迷一副貪婪自大的嘴
臉,就覺得弱隊活該倒楣,該去抽樂透該去抱爛合約,該乖乖把陣中
球星交出來給他們拼冠軍;想要做搶劫生意,用一堆自己都用不順手
的垃圾去換人家的明星級先發,而搶劫不到,就罵女方....呃,銀行
太小氣、太貪婪或不懂得用被搶劫後的保險金重建什麼的。搶劫失敗
還「祝福」人家「營運昌隆」。有些國外文章真是會讓我看到發火大
罵「他媽的要重建你們自己不會去重建要不到人就不要牽拖一堆有的
沒的」。
我看到 rg 籃網版上 FGump 也回嘴了:
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Using your logic ...
We expect Kupchak will wait until summer and then trade Kobe
and Odom in a salary dump. He's not winning a title with that
group.
They are mired in 6th, no chance to move up, and no title hopes
on the horizon. They are closer to 10th than 6th, in fact. Dead
in the water.
Their futile move for Kidd shows they recognize their plight,
and made a last desperate attempt to steal some much-needed
talent, but with that failure they'll wait until summer and
then start that needed salary purge and hope to get a bit more
in draft picks and expirings for Kobe and Odom then.
Meanwhile the Nets are closer to the top of their division,
and no farther back in the East than LA is in the West.
But unlike LA, help is already on the roster in NJ: SF Jefferson
will return and provide a major boost this season, and C Krstic
will do so in the summer for next year and beyond.
Hope that helps.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
如果這裡有湖人迷覺得這種講法很機車,對,這就是某些國外湖人迷
給其他球隊球迷的印象。
存在一種「大市場球隊的傲慢」,就是以為這個世界是繞著他們轉的,
他們有義務將球星從爛隊之中「拯救」出來,與他們一起追尋冠軍夢,
眼睛盯著一堆白爛的交易方案,一心想著用自己的爛選秀權與爛合約
就能偷到人家的好貨。碰到這類自爽型球迷就會讓人很想吐。還好,
我們國內的湖人迷沒有這樣的問題。但這不代表他們就能夠接收到正
確的資訊,瞭解到其他球隊的經營方針與總管理事傾向。
總之,這次湖人追 Kidd 失敗,其中一個原因就是:情報判斷錯誤。
但湖人在最後失敗了嗎?沒有送出 Bynum 其實是正確的決定。 所以
回過頭來要說到那個最初的戰略設定,在情報錯誤之外,老實說我也
不瞭解為什麼湖人要追 Kidd 追得這麼凶。
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作者: IBMbuyer (賤鵝一隻) 看板: NBA
標題: Re: [新聞] Lakers Thought They Had A Kidd Deal …
時間: Fri Feb 23 15:13:06 2007
推 popstarkirby:簡單來說就是...湖人老闆介入,然後他們以為談好了 02/23 04:35
→ popstarkirby:除了一些球員外還附加一個第一輪選秀跟未來第一輪選 02/23 04:37
→ popstarkirby:秀.他最後說Rod Thorn不是改變主意就是從來沒想過 02/23 04:37
→ popstarkirby:要交易Kidd 02/23 04:38
→ popstarkirby:第一句補充:老闆說要在交易中增加現金 02/23 04:40
推 DonNelson:湖人板有詳細解說 好像是索隆硬要掰鈕 湖人當然不給 02/23 04:43
唉,湖人版的那些詳細解說叫做詳細誤導,這段期間他們一直都在蒐
集與詮釋對己方樂觀的資訊,而從來沒有弄清楚 Thorn 的意圖。 到
現在,我還在看湖人迷在那邊說「籃網根本沒有搞清楚怎麼重建」,
可見湖人迷從頭到尾沒有搞清楚一個關鍵:「籃網根本沒有打算拆掉
重建 (rebuild)」。如果你不幫他們思考這一季或下一季怎樣打進季
後賽,或是給他們更大的交易彈性讓他們在今年暑假能夠透過交易立
即回復競爭力,如果你不去思考這些東西,還以為一堆選秀權與到期
合約,再加上財大氣粗的老闆進來砸下一些銀兩,就可以「協助」籃
網「重建」,那結果就像是我們今天看到的。
這次的交易情勢已經很明顯了。湖人單方面追 Kidd 追得非常凶,而
Kidd 這邊也不反對,Kidd 的經紀人也出動了,媒體也是每天助陣,
隨便找消息來源在外面講一些有的沒的。那,為什麼這堆疲勞轟炸也
只能達到:讓 Thorn 差點自暴自棄放人, 結果隔天早上起來精神恢
復,想著『他媽的我為什麼要做這種鳥交易』,轉而通告湖人方沒有
Bynum 就不要在打電話來勾勾纏了。湖人迷說這個叫做出爾反爾,我
看這跟本就叫做「回頭是岸」。不信的話,湖人迷就把你們家的交易
提案來這裡 po 一 po,然後說服這裡多數球迷:Kidd 只值這些垃圾,
經過這樣的交易籃網可以保持競爭力。
資深總管怎麼考量球隊的發展,根本不用球迷教。當年黃蜂的老闆苛
得要命,Bass 照樣幫他的球隊維持競爭力。 相較之下,現在籃網的
老闆荷包口袋還比較鬆一些。當年籃網的經營權轉手,新老闆 Ratner
很快就從經驗中學習,擺脫預算緊縮的那套蠢思維並站穩了腳步,VC
來了,最後整個方向被證明是有利的(金塊成為苦主)。這背後都是
Thorn 在撐的。
那些頭腦單純到會以為「球隊經營不是花大錢就是省大錢」的球迷,
也該醒醒了。翻開今日聯盟各隊的薪資狀況,你會發現各隊的薪資是
相當接近的。在豪華稅與各項交易操作規則的規訓下,省大錢或砸大
錢都是愚蠢的行為(使用 hoophype 時記得要把赦免條款合約考慮進
去)。
這年頭不想要逾越豪華稅門檻的球隊比比皆是,在各隊口袋緊縮的狀
態下,保持球隊競爭力的思想反而是聰明的。那些動不動就要戰績不
好的球隊「打掉重建」的思想真的是太氾濫了,在國外的論壇也是。
NBA 又不是 MLB,我實在很不欣賞有些強隊的球迷一副貪婪自大的嘴
臉,就覺得弱隊活該倒楣,該去抽樂透該去抱爛合約,該乖乖把陣中
球星交出來給他們拼冠軍;想要做搶劫生意,用一堆自己都用不順手
的垃圾去換人家的明星級先發,而搶劫不到,就罵女方....呃,銀行
太小氣、太貪婪或不懂得用被搶劫後的保險金重建什麼的。搶劫失敗
還「祝福」人家「營運昌隆」。有些國外文章真是會讓我看到發火大
罵「他媽的要重建你們自己不會去重建要不到人就不要牽拖一堆有的
沒的」。
我看到 rg 籃網版上 FGump 也回嘴了:
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Using your logic ...
We expect Kupchak will wait until summer and then trade Kobe
and Odom in a salary dump. He's not winning a title with that
group.
They are mired in 6th, no chance to move up, and no title hopes
on the horizon. They are closer to 10th than 6th, in fact. Dead
in the water.
Their futile move for Kidd shows they recognize their plight,
and made a last desperate attempt to steal some much-needed
talent, but with that failure they'll wait until summer and
then start that needed salary purge and hope to get a bit more
in draft picks and expirings for Kobe and Odom then.
Meanwhile the Nets are closer to the top of their division,
and no farther back in the East than LA is in the West.
But unlike LA, help is already on the roster in NJ: SF Jefferson
will return and provide a major boost this season, and C Krstic
will do so in the summer for next year and beyond.
Hope that helps.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
如果這裡有湖人迷覺得這種講法很機車,對,這就是某些國外湖人迷
給其他球隊球迷的印象。
存在一種「大市場球隊的傲慢」,就是以為這個世界是繞著他們轉的,
他們有義務將球星從爛隊之中「拯救」出來,與他們一起追尋冠軍夢,
眼睛盯著一堆白爛的交易方案,一心想著用自己的爛選秀權與爛合約
就能偷到人家的好貨。碰到這類自爽型球迷就會讓人很想吐。還好,
我們國內的湖人迷沒有這樣的問題。但這不代表他們就能夠接收到正
確的資訊,瞭解到其他球隊的經營方針與總管理事傾向。
總之,這次湖人追 Kidd 失敗,其中一個原因就是:情報判斷錯誤。
但湖人在最後失敗了嗎?沒有送出 Bynum 其實是正確的決定。 所以
回過頭來要說到那個最初的戰略設定,在情報錯誤之外,老實說我也
不瞭解為什麼湖人要追 Kidd 追得這麼凶。
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