Kobe當年有被罵成這樣嗎? - NBA

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這早就有人專文討論過 The truth about Kobe Bryant in crunch time

關於Kobe在關鍵時刻的真相

https://forum.gamer.com.tw/Co.php?bsn=04373&sn=505407

At the end of Game 2 of the 2009 Finals, the Magic knew who to
guard, and got the block.

在2009冠軍賽第二場關鍵時刻,魔術知道要防守誰,也成功的蓋了「他」火鍋。

Ask pundits. Ask general managers. Ask players. Ask almost
anybody.
Who would like to have take the last shot with the game on the line?

問任何與NBA有關的人,最後一擊要給誰?

Kobe Bryant wins by a country mile. Every time. (In a general
manager poll this season, he earned 79% of the vote, his ninth
consecutive blowout.)

Kobe幾乎每次都在類似投票中大幅度領先(本季對個球隊經理的調查,
他以高達79%的比例連續九年獲得壓倒性勝利。)

There is not really any other serious candidate.

幾乎沒有人能在這項投票中望其項背。

Ask me, though, (as Ryen Russillo did last week and Mike Trudell
the other day) and I'll tell you I don't know who's the best, but
with all due respect to Bryant's amazing abilities scoring the
ball, there's zero chance he's the king of crunch time.

如果你要問我(或是之前有在注意關鍵時刻的專業球評),
那我會跟你說我不知道誰是最好的,我也非常尊敬Kobe驚人的得分能力,
但是Kobe百分之百(幾近0%)不會是關鍵時刻的王者。

The sin of predictability

觀察一:可預測性

Bryant makes crunch time defense easy for opponents by shooting
just about every time he touches the ball (over a five-year
period, he mustered 56 clutch shots, to go with one assist).

Kobe的可預測性在於他幾乎一碰到球就一定要射
讓關鍵時刻對手對他的防守相對簡單許多。
(過去五年中關鍵時刻中他總共投了56球,只有一個助攻)

Fans of his raw machismo howl that such criticism misses the
point, but the point is that when Bryant gets the ball in crunch
time, it's a virtual certainty that he'll shoot it, and it's
better than two-to-one odds that he'll miss.

很多科迷喜歡嚎叫說批評者搞不清楚狀況。

但是重點是Kobe在關鍵時刻幾乎肯定一拿到球他就一定要射,
而且有很大的機會他會打鐵。

In 1997, he famously airballed two shots that could have beat the
Jazz -- instead the Jazz won the series. In 1999, he whiffed on a
3-pointer at the buzzer that would have tied Game 2 against the
Spurs. In Game 4 against the Kings in 2002, he missed a 2-pointer
that would have tied the game (before the ball was tipped out to
Robert Horry for the winning 3). In Game 7 of that same series,
Bryant missed a tip that would have won the game in regulation. In
Game 3 against the Timberwolves in 2003, he missed two key shots
in the last seconds of overtime, and the Lakers lost.

1997年,Kobe在季後賽對爵士投了有名的籃外空心連發,
Kobe說把球給我,我會帶湖人回家延長戰局,最後是Kobe把湖人帶回家放暑假。

1999年,他在季後賽第二場對馬刺投失一棵可能追平的三分。

2002年第四戰對上國王,他投失了一個可追平的兩分球。
雖然結果球彈到Robert Horry手上投進致勝三分)

在第七戰時Kobe一個補籃不進,否則可以不用打延長賽。

2003年第三戰對上灰狼,他最後連續投失了兩球導致輸球。

I'll spare you the entire list, but it's long. In the final 24
seconds of playoff games, Bryant has racked up almost as many
airballs as makes, making just below 30 percent of game-tying or
go-ahead shots. He hasn't hit such a shot in a playoff game, in
fact, since 2008, including key misses in the closing moments
against the Jazz and Magic in 2009, and the Thunder and Suns last
spring. He made one of his four shots in the fourth quarter of
Game 7 of last year's Finals.

舉凡種種,不甚枚舉,我也不想統統列出來給你們看,
只能說名單很長很可怕。

但是在季後賽裡,
最後24秒進攻中的Kobe投進的球跟他投出的籃外麵包差不多一樣多,
總計命中率不到30%。

事實上,自從2008年以後他在季後賽就沒有在關鍵時刻投中過了,
包括2009年對上爵士和魔術,和2010年對上雷霆和太陽。

而他在去年的總冠軍賽第七場第四節只勉強投進一球。

No matter how you define crunch time -- from the last five minutes
of the fourth quarter or overtime to the last 24 seconds -- and
no matter how you define production -- field goal percentage,
offensive efficiency, David Berri's Wins Produced, the results
tell the same story: Bryant is about as likely to hit the big shot
as any player.

不管你怎樣定義關鍵時刻--常規賽最後五分鐘和延長賽,或是只算最後24秒 --
不管你要怎麼計算一個球員的貢獻 -- 命中率、進攻效率,帶來的勝場精算等等,
果通常只有一個:Kobe關鍵時刻的表現很一般,跟一般球員沒啥兩樣。

ESPN Stats and Information's Alok Pattani dug through 15 years of
NBA data (see table below) -- Bryant's entire career, regular
season and playoffs -- and found that Bryant has attempted 115
shots in the final 24 seconds of a game in which the Lakers were
tied or trailed by two or fewer points. He connected on 36, and
missed 79 times.

根據我們ESPN的統計,過去15年來(請看下表),也就是Kobe的全部生涯在內,
包括所有季賽和季後賽,Kobe在最後24秒球隊落後或平手的局面,
他總共投了115顆,進了36顆,投失了79顆。

One shot for all the cookies. And the NBA is nearly unanimous that
this is the guy to take it, even though he has more than twice as
many misses as makes?

怕了吧,所有NBA一致舉手通過要給他投最後一擊的人,
即使他有超過兩倍的機率投失,遠多於投進。

His crunch time production is slightly higher in the first half of
this season, but still certainly not the best in the league. And
analyzing any large number of games, one year, five years or
fifteen years, and defining crunch time a number of different
ways, shows the same pattern. (There are a many ways this has be sliced.)

他今年這方面的表現比他的平均值好一點點,但是顯然跟最好差很多。

重點是不管你怎麼分析 -- 只算某年,只算某五年,
或算上過去15年,結果還是一樣的。

Bryant shoots more than most, passes less, and racks up misses at
an all-time rate. There is no measure, other than YouTube
highlights and folklore, by which he's the best scorer in crunch time.

Kobe關鍵時刻出手比是最高的,傳球非常稀有,而且投失球數正在往史上新高邁進。
所有統計都顯示,除了Youtube和高光以外他絕對不是關鍵時刻最好的得分手。

With the game on the line

Trailing by one or two points, or tied,
in the final 24 seconds of regular-season and playoff games since 1996-97,
with a minimum of 30 shots.
From Alok Pattani of ESPN Stats & Information.

以下是從96-97年開始統計,
在24秒內,球隊落後0-2分時,球員出手表現。
(包括季賽和季後賽,出手數超過30次以上)

Player Makes  Attempts  FG%
Carmelo Anthony 21 44 47.7 真。絕殺王
Chris Paul 14 31 45.2
Shawn Marion 12 30 40
Brandon Roy 12 30 40
Hedo Turkoglu 12 30 40
Rashard Lewis 18 46 39.1
Glenn Robinson 14 36 38.9
Deron Williams 14 36 38.9
Mike Bibby 15 39 38.5
Dirk Nowitzki 25 65 38.5
Jalen Rose 12 32 37.5
Tim Duncan 23 62 37.1
Eddie Jones 13 36 36.1
Karl Malone 11 31 35.5
Ben Gordon 17 49 34.7
Chris Webber 18 52 34.6
Raymond Felton 12 36 33.3
LeBron James 23 69 33.3
Ray Allen 23 70 32.9
Gilbert Arenas 13 40 32.5
Vince Carter 31 96 32.3
Steve Francis 14 44 31.8
Damon Stoudamire12 38 31.6
Nick Van Exel 16 51 31.4
Kobe Bryant 36 115 31.3
Jason Terry 14 45 31.1
Allen Iverson 21 68 30.9
Kevin Garnett 22 72 30.6
Ron Artest 9 30 30
Allan Houston 12 41 29.3


(統計至:1/28/11 10:43 AM ET 為止。)

The un-clutch Lakers
觀察二:關鍵時刻讓湖人無法發揮

One of the key arguments in his favor is that he draws
double-teams, which allows other Lakers to score. But that doesn't
seem to happen much. Over Bryant's 15-year career, the Lakers
have had the NBA's best offense, and second-best won-loss record.
No other team can match their mighty 109 points per 100
possessions over the entire period.

科迷常常爭論說Kobe屌的就是他關鍵時刻能吸引包夾,
這樣其他隊友不是就有機會了嗎,所以Kobe可以提升隊友能力。

但是不幸的是,這個現象並沒有發生太多。

在Kobe 15年的生涯之中,湖人隊是這15年以來全NBA攻擊最好的球隊,
而且擁有第二高的輸贏比。

沒有任何一隊可以接近他們的進攻效率(每100次進攻能得109分)

You'd expect Los Angeles to also have one of the league's best
offenses in crunch time, right? Especially with the ball in the
hands of the player most suited to those moments.

在這麼顯眼的數字下你會期待照理來說湖人隊在關鍵時刻表現應該也不俗,對嗎?
尤其是還有公認關鍵時刻最強的人在隊上,不是嗎?

That's not what happens, though. In the final 24 seconds of close
games the Laker offense regresses horribly, managing just 82
points per 100 possessions. And it's not a simple case of every
team having a hard time scoring in crunch time. Over Bryant's
career, 11 teams have had better crunch time offenses, led by the
Hornets with a shocking 107 points per 100 possessions in crunch
time, a huge credit to Chris Paul.

但是這並沒有如人們想像般發生。

事實上,如果只看關鍵時刻的24秒,
湖人隊的進攻效率下降到爛透了的每100次進攻才有82分的效率,
而且這並不是因為關鍵時刻通常任何NBA球隊都表現不好。

在Kobe的生涯中(15年來),有11隊比湖人隊在關鍵時刻都有效率,
最有效率的是黃蜂隊,關鍵時刻每100次進攻可以得107分,這要感謝CP3的強力加持


The Lakers are not among the league leaders in crunch time offense
-- instead they're just about average, scoring 82.35 points per
100 possessions in a league that averages 80.03. They are,
however, among the league leaders in how much worse their offense
declines in crunch time.

上面說了,湖人隊並不是關鍵時刻進攻最好的球隊,只在平均值(每100次進攻得80分)。

但是湖人在平常進攻效率和關鍵時刻進攻效率的下降數字,倒是全聯盟最大的。
(109分下降到82分!)

When Bryant is on the floor in crunch time, Bryant's Lakers are
actually outscored by their opponents.

之前有文章提過,當Kobe關鍵時刻在場上時,
湖人得分效率其實是輸給對手的。(就連+/-值都是負值)

A great offensive team performing at average levels, with a star
setting records for number of shots attempted. Teammates left wide
open. Evidence, even, that Bryant's play puts his team into
nailbiters that needn't be so close.

一個強大進攻效率的球隊,到了關鍵時刻表現平平,
隊中有一個球星不斷創造投球數的紀錄,而隊友通常都是有大空檔。

這些都是Kobe讓他所處的球隊處於不利位置的證據。

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Poppy avatar
By Poppy
at 2017-04-26T05:23
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGk8Mqt26iY
Callum avatar
By Callum
at 2017-04-30T23:32
你好像沒看過t-mac如何打臉科酸的影片
Edith avatar
By Edith
at 2017-05-01T20:47
已買爆米花了!!!
Kama avatar
By Kama
at 2017-05-04T04:56
不要跟牠們認真,花這麼多時間打文章,很不值得
Belly avatar
By Belly
at 2017-05-04T17:48
戰,都戰
Rae avatar
By Rae
at 2017-05-09T01:44
真的,不要跟ID超鳥的人認真
Kristin avatar
By Kristin
at 2017-05-12T18:57
就是個喜歡打鐵的副手啊
Jacob avatar
By Jacob
at 2017-05-16T05:17
這篇文沒有很偏頗 不過推文有一個人倒是很想再進桶
Carol avatar
By Carol
at 2017-05-21T00:34
有數據給推
Olive avatar
By Olive
at 2017-05-21T23:53
這種id就是來找架吵而已,沒什麼好回的
William avatar
By William
at 2017-05-26T10:06
老大有滿多鐵可以用傳球代替 不過這是不可能的啦
Cara avatar
By Cara
at 2017-05-29T16:51
1.Kobe射得多所以miss得也多而已
Caitlin avatar
By Caitlin
at 2017-06-01T01:38
你那張表裡面TD和LBJ命中率也是三成出頭
Oscar avatar
By Oscar
at 2017-06-01T15:13
第四節呢?怎麼沒有第四節
Lauren avatar
By Lauren
at 2017-06-03T06:31
當初差不多季賽一球就能捧兩季
而且是用貶低別球員方式捧 難怪退休還在被戰
Erin avatar
By Erin
at 2017-06-07T00:47
2.從第一名下降到中段班所以"幅度"大
但是和其他球隊比還是相對的好
Joe avatar
By Joe
at 2017-06-11T20:04
你知我知 還不是只能給他投? 被投進的就是賽到喔
Kelly avatar
By Kelly
at 2017-06-16T20:02
就是因為姆斯跟石佛被包會傳所以球隊進攻效率略好阿
Puput avatar
By Puput
at 2017-06-19T18:15
這文章很喜歡用這種方式來歪曲數字而已
Jacky avatar
By Jacky
at 2017-06-20T14:10
kobe以高達79%的比例連續九年獲得壓倒性勝利
Jessica avatar
By Jessica
at 2017-06-23T07:11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGk8Mqt26iY
Heather avatar
By Heather
at 2017-06-28T04:32
這些總管應該連續九年都是閉著眼睛投吧
Jack avatar
By Jack
at 2017-06-29T17:05
在這板就只是幸運版JR有差嗎?
Zora avatar
By Zora
at 2017-07-02T17:30
T-Mac一番話大於事實和數據,懂?
Queena avatar
By Queena
at 2017-07-05T12:46
KobeRapist 來,對著鏡頭說一次~~
Suhail Hany avatar
By Suhail Hany
at 2017-07-07T08:24
反正柯酸都認為自己比總管和球員還懂球
Selena avatar
By Selena
at 2017-07-08T10:03
你發一篇文回投票的事 結果他回應還是投票
你有夠閒
Isabella avatar
By Isabella
at 2017-07-10T01:34
9.2的概念
Selena avatar
By Selena
at 2017-07-12T21:34
結果這篇繼續跳針總管投票XDDD
Liam avatar
By Liam
at 2017-07-17T07:05
29隊的MVP
Daph Bay avatar
By Daph Bay
at 2017-07-20T10:49
連反駁也要拿別人找的影片 真是沒料又愛酸
Carolina Franco avatar
By Carolina Franco
at 2017-07-23T06:31
歷史前五的LBJ最大的問題就是排名比kobe前面,所以
瘋狂被攻擊..不然kobe那些場外場內的行為,除了會
打球,根本就教壞小孩
Thomas avatar
By Thomas
at 2017-07-25T12:05
台灣 鄉民可能覺得自己比名人堂球員還懂吧
Skylar DavisLinda avatar
By Skylar DavisLinda
at 2017-07-27T21:55
光看這系列的演進就知道龜龜論被戰根本連科比的車
尾燈都看不到
Quanna avatar
By Quanna
at 2017-07-29T15:05
文章在反駁投票結果,還在跳針XDD
Quintina avatar
By Quintina
at 2017-08-01T13:41
ESPN這篇可以看一下 https://goo.gl/jvx5IF
Olive avatar
By Olive
at 2017-08-02T15:30
投票才是真印象迷吧...還是其實每隊都想要kobe絕殺
湖人
Doris avatar
By Doris
at 2017-08-03T08:08
這不是特地創帳號反串科迷好幾年時間的U質阿腿嗎,
想到你以前每次登入還要自己先打個kobe8best就好笑
Skylar Davis avatar
By Skylar Davis
at 2017-08-07T01:34
我是覺得啦 在那邊戰來戰去的都不像是真球迷
Doris avatar
By Doris
at 2017-08-07T18:20
http://i.imgur.com/gy4pawk.jpg
ESPN也被總管打臉了
Skylar Davis avatar
By Skylar Davis
at 2017-08-09T05:41
希望ba能好好看清楚文章再回 不要丟了勇迷的臉....
Susan avatar
By Susan
at 2017-08-11T18:44
只是一群睪固酮爆表卻沒處發洩DER人
Noah avatar
By Noah
at 2017-08-14T17:57
看到好多人被總管打臉 這帳號的文還有人能護航XD
Olga avatar
By Olga
at 2017-08-17T08:46
上一篇一堆科迷推文內容都可以進桶了,根本不值得
Olga avatar
By Olga
at 2017-08-21T16:03
這帳號是很有爭議阿 但你的帳號大家也認識
Catherine avatar
By Catherine
at 2017-08-23T10:02
是不是壞掉了?還是NPC?
Kumar avatar
By Kumar
at 2017-08-24T15:25
ba:要辯論可以 可是我只會跳針總管唷
Agatha avatar
By Agatha
at 2017-08-27T12:17
真正的結論就是詹科真的太強也太多能戰了,這類文
章可能再戰10年
Enid avatar
By Enid
at 2017-08-29T15:59
怎麼有人那麼愛總管阿..看看尼克總管,總管真的那
麼厲害嗎...
Adele avatar
By Adele
at 2017-09-02T12:50
這ID必噓
Delia avatar
By Delia
at 2017-09-07T03:23
總管可能沒這些科酸厲害倒是真的
Sandy avatar
By Sandy
at 2017-09-07T06:24
湖人id來噓嘍
Megan avatar
By Megan
at 2017-09-09T18:47
Kobe的成就是歷史級的 無庸置疑 問題在那些激進
Odelette avatar
By Odelette
at 2017-09-11T11:08
排名十幾的歷史級沒錯
Zora avatar
By Zora
at 2017-09-15T02:19
的印象迷 混淆視聽的亂吹捧一通
Queena avatar
By Queena
at 2017-09-16T11:42
好笑的是總管球員都選KB, 就你最懂 ^.<
Damian avatar
By Damian
at 2017-09-19T09:11
打鐵王不是浪得虛名
Quintina avatar
By Quintina
at 2017-09-24T08:00
捧絕殺超強 捧比歐肥Carry 讓人反感的地方在這
Jake avatar
By Jake
at 2017-09-24T14:28
他還真的覺得自己比球員總管都還懂
Elvira avatar
By Elvira
at 2017-09-29T13:18
不要這麼中肯好嗎
Christine avatar
By Christine
at 2017-10-03T12:20
明明就一群激進的腿迷冒出來酸別人還想裝理性中肯XD
Hamiltion avatar
By Hamiltion
at 2017-10-05T14:29
id水準給
Quanna avatar
By Quanna
at 2017-10-10T07:28
沒人可以反駁文章只能跳針TT
Selena avatar
By Selena
at 2017-10-14T23:13
大歐和蓋索罩太大了啦
Ida avatar
By Ida
at 2017-10-18T01:21
別這樣下手不知輕重,科迷都是看高光不看比賽跟數據
Blanche avatar
By Blanche
at 2017-10-21T01:02
有數據打臉給推,不亂噓
Susan avatar
By Susan
at 2017-10-25T11:20
你一直說數據 沒錯 數據顯示的就是像你講的一樣 但
是難道總管不看數據? 教練不看數據? 甚至shaq 美
國隊隊員不看數據? 那為什麼他們還是把最後一擊交
給kobe?
Damian avatar
By Damian
at 2017-10-28T22:43
Kobe絕殺超強 31.3% 疑 有點普通
Caroline avatar
By Caroline
at 2017-10-29T03:13
想早點回家啊
Franklin avatar
By Franklin
at 2017-10-31T14:13
就算以業餘等級來說 關鍵一擊也是給技術最好 個人
能力最強的來做 kobe的關鍵一擊的處理的確普遍來講
不算好 但你還是會給他來處理 因為他的能力確實能
Megan avatar
By Megan
at 2017-11-01T12:24
做出出手空間 或吸引包夾(但他沒傳出去的確是處理
不當)
Callum avatar
By Callum
at 2017-11-05T11:57
這篇文邏輯超差的 po文的有自己看過一次嗎?
Agatha avatar
By Agatha
at 2017-11-07T10:03
EZ
Madame avatar
By Madame
at 2017-11-09T08:58
所以你的結論應該是kobe關鍵一擊結果不算好 但給他
處理的這個決定並不能說是錯的
Linda avatar
By Linda
at 2017-11-10T21:41
因為他們希望自己的球隊贏啊.. Kobe是29隊的希望
Susan avatar
By Susan
at 2017-11-11T05:58
是不勝枚舉
Sierra Rose avatar
By Sierra Rose
at 2017-11-13T07:12
關鍵一擊給Kobe很合理啦 他是湖人外圍最能製造出手
Suhail Hany avatar
By Suhail Hany
at 2017-11-17T11:22
ba,你知道你最愛的總管選你討厭的LBJ當球隊基石嗎.
..
Necoo avatar
By Necoo
at 2017-11-22T11:06
總管都專說場面話啦,真的要簽也沒人想要
Emma avatar
By Emma
at 2017-11-27T02:41
甜瓜命中率最高 但樣本數不到kobe的一半 這也能比
Andrew avatar
By Andrew
at 2017-11-28T08:46
老大厲害的地方就是...退休了還是nba版的精神指標
Rebecca avatar
By Rebecca
at 2017-11-30T19:49
ya,選LBJ當基石沒問題呀 跟我討厭lbj不衝突呀XD
Freda avatar
By Freda
at 2017-12-04T13:46
你慢慢高潮
Anthony avatar
By Anthony
at 2017-12-08T12:12
空間的Player 問題在於 不要吹到好像Kb關鍵時刻超強
Anthony avatar
By Anthony
at 2017-12-09T09:22
還是關鍵殺手KOBE阿 水管上隨便都是
Hedwig avatar
By Hedwig
at 2017-12-14T02:33
我討厭LBJ 但是LBJ絕對是best建隊基石all the time
所以有什麼關聯?
討厭一個球員一定要否定他的一切嗎
Odelette avatar
By Odelette
at 2017-12-15T08:53
就算命中率差其實也沒什麼好戰的 自慰完他地位還是
一樣 不會酸完就下降
Ingrid avatar
By Ingrid
at 2017-12-19T01:23
那些酸kobe的就是這樣呀 討厭他 否定他的一切
Andy avatar
By Andy
at 2017-12-22T09:20
過那麼多年還老是自動乖乖出來報到的科酸也是可憐,
人家打完20年退休了而他們的世界卻沒能往前走XD
Sarah avatar
By Sarah
at 2017-12-23T05:30
之前一堆一直亂酸Curry的 Curry還不是雙MVP
Ingrid avatar
By Ingrid
at 2017-12-24T13:41
a大講的就很中肯 不需要吹的kobe關鍵時刻最強 但也
不需要酸的好像給kobe執行最後一擊就是不想贏
Daph Bay avatar
By Daph Bay
at 2017-12-26T06:36
事實上不管是打校隊還是系隊甚至是sbl 關鍵時刻大家
還是都會把球交給像kobe melo這類型的球員
Madame avatar
By Madame
at 2017-12-26T22:58
進攻效率那邊也很搞笑 關鍵時刻球隊效率不好 竟然
有辦法簡單歸類成單一球員的問題 數據也沒提出來 這
espn作者真混
Sierra Rose avatar
By Sierra Rose
at 2017-12-28T10:01
不要說我中肯 我說過歐肥carry kobe拿三冠 我科酸
Quintina avatar
By Quintina
at 2017-12-30T16:49
xd
Donna avatar
By Donna
at 2017-12-31T09:24
這種喇叭文章也好意思拿出嘴..以為那些總管都白癡嗎
Daph Bay avatar
By Daph Bay
at 2018-01-02T08:03
shaq本來就是三連霸的一哥毫無疑問 ok連線其實跟三
巨頭的威力差不多 只是shaq算兩核 kobe 算一核而已
Tom avatar
By Tom
at 2018-01-05T22:14
總管先考慮到 可能是Kobe商業價值 球隊勝負其次
Quintina avatar
By Quintina
at 2018-01-06T20:58
我是總管也強烈希望每球都Kobe最後一擊 畫面多有$$$
Wallis avatar
By Wallis
at 2018-01-11T06:29
有話題才能賺錢啊 贏球算啥? 沒看今年MVP?
Lydia avatar
By Lydia
at 2018-01-12T23:32
中肯推
Oliver avatar
By Oliver
at 2018-01-15T04:37
阿 你捧歐肥 原來你也是科酸
幸會幸會
Kumar avatar
By Kumar
at 2018-01-19T20:01
這篇中肯,科迷真得吹得很扯
Liam avatar
By Liam
at 2018-01-22T04:24
科粉出籠護航老大囉~
Quanna avatar
By Quanna
at 2018-01-23T18:53
kobe關鍵廢根本就是數據證明過無數次的事實
Genevieve avatar
By Genevieve
at 2018-01-26T16:49
也不能說Kobe關鍵廢 是普通
Sandy avatar
By Sandy
at 2018-01-31T03:44
而且kobe關鍵廢不只是進攻,防守更是漏人王,你幾乎
想不到幾個他重要比賽的關鍵防守(令攻守轉換,或防守
絕殺)
Rebecca avatar
By Rebecca
at 2018-01-31T14:14
副手就副手 裝什麼老大
Doris avatar
By Doris
at 2018-02-02T05:29
科酸出籠 場面壯觀
Olivia avatar
By Olivia
at 2018-02-06T18:31
Kobe有認真防守是還蠻不錯的 水管上找找
Annie avatar
By Annie
at 2018-02-10T22:33
有數據給推
Belly avatar
By Belly
at 2018-02-11T05:57
要統計kobe連續九年被總管投票的最後一擊數據吧
Skylar Davis avatar
By Skylar Davis
at 2018-02-13T03:26
你計生涯沒有意思啊 他又沒有連續18年最佳最後一擊
Mary avatar
By Mary
at 2018-02-15T22:49
迷迷認清現實吧……Kobe最強的時候是強在高光裡
Aaliyah avatar
By Aaliyah
at 2018-02-20T21:04
事實啊 不過對Kobe不利的數據你就會看到那幾隻寄生
強隊迷來支支吾吾了
Skylar Davis avatar
By Skylar Davis
at 2018-02-24T14:38
這篇沒戰起來 我跟妳姓啦
Irma avatar
By Irma
at 2018-02-24T22:01
https://youtu.be/_y5jwt0brqk
Xanthe avatar
By Xanthe
at 2018-02-25T09:39
科迷 只看Highlights就覺得他Laoda準到爆~ 實際上
Connor avatar
By Connor
at 2018-02-27T12:02
跟T-mac一樣 印象派,卻沒記住KB把隊友送回家更多場
Hamiltion avatar
By Hamiltion
at 2018-03-02T02:14
我覺得要學的事Kobe的心態 要出手就不要怕 但不要
忘了隊友
Agnes avatar
By Agnes
at 2018-03-04T16:14
T-mac也是不是統計員 拿他來背書根實際數字 我會相
信實際數字
Anthony avatar
By Anthony
at 2018-03-08T23:43
今日最中肯
Gary avatar
By Gary
at 2018-03-13T08:52
這種東西本來就該量化 有個標準 不然去年LBJ前面那
幾顆落後的關鍵三分不就被酸民認為不算進
Heather avatar
By Heather
at 2018-03-18T04:27
這篇寫那麼清楚了 噓的人真的不知所云 看了覺得鼻
Megan avatar
By Megan
at 2018-03-22T08:58
阿這篇跟上一篇有什麼關係嗎?
Jacky avatar
By Jacky
at 2018-03-24T05:19
我湖迷 覺得你寫得有道理
Erin avatar
By Erin
at 2018-03-26T10:33
Z
Andrew avatar
By Andrew
at 2018-03-30T17:12
你在上一篇討論lbj和kobe的文裡哎哎叫
Carolina Franco avatar
By Carolina Franco
at 2018-04-04T13:27
所以你根據這篇數據說melo>lbj嗎?
Ethan avatar
By Ethan
at 2018-04-09T01:22
少點印象派吹捧 多體會Kobe奮戰精神 理性 勿戰
Thomas avatar
By Thomas
at 2018-04-13T00:36
該睡囉zz
Emily avatar
By Emily
at 2018-04-13T05:08
所以LBJ Kobe AI KG RA都是關鍵時刻爛選擇,前幾名
很會進沒話講,但商業價值低的可憐誰想看他們投?RA
總冠軍賽那顆三分打趴前幾個全部命中數,所以很會進
有用嗎......前兩個東冠西冠都摸不到...能幹嘛??
Tristan Cohan avatar
By Tristan Cohan
at 2018-04-13T20:58
想聽你解釋一下你ID的故事
Brianna avatar
By Brianna
at 2018-04-17T12:39
推 47.7>33.3>=31.3 後面2個是五十步笑一百步嗎??
Heather avatar
By Heather
at 2018-04-19T02:06
原發問者看到了嗎?好像kobe還沒退休 XD
Hamiltion avatar
By Hamiltion
at 2018-04-21T02:52
突然想到 看eFG%會更準 不然對雷槍這類三分射手不公
Barb Cronin avatar
By Barb Cronin
at 2018-04-21T04:42
樓上 但8>>>>>0,47.7%能幹嘛......我很想知道
Rae avatar
By Rae
at 2018-04-24T16:38
其實有道理 科比關鍵時刻跟西河差不多腦衝
Kristin avatar
By Kristin
at 2018-04-26T20:25
就melo才是真正終結者 LBJ過譽 但又比kobe好一點點
Sarah avatar
By Sarah
at 2018-04-28T20:48
LBJ能自己投掉 也製造機會給空檔隊友
比單純只能投掉 被包也不傳的人來說 是更好的選擇
Margaret avatar
By Margaret
at 2018-05-01T04:35
很好反駁啊 總比有人關鍵時刻總是傳球來的MAN吧
Faithe avatar
By Faithe
at 2018-05-01T13:08
真終結者我同意k大,但不能忽視價值,不管商業還是
獲得什麼
Kyle avatar
By Kyle
at 2018-05-05T23:00
那麼低的命中率 還硬要投 真.的.超.man.的
Ivy avatar
By Ivy
at 2018-05-06T03:56
更何況球不給Kobe 難道給Odom或Fisher操刀嗎
Margaret avatar
By Margaret
at 2018-05-06T21:37
重點不是給不給Kobe 而是被包夾 不傳 命中率還很差
Hamiltion avatar
By Hamiltion
at 2018-05-11T17:57
我只是就你提出的數據看命中率melo>LBJ>=Kobe
然後你說還要看球隊的進攻效率再包含幫隊友製造出的
機會 這二個數據我看不到捏,你要再發一篇嗎
Skylar Davis avatar
By Skylar Davis
at 2018-05-14T09:37
LBJ倒還好 不像Kobe被印象派吹的 好像關鍵一擊超強
Cara avatar
By Cara
at 2018-05-17T00:04
看這篇以為看到了恐佈故事
John avatar
By John
at 2018-05-17T10:53
為酸而酸 不就科酸日常^^
Victoria avatar
By Victoria
at 2018-05-21T20:13
LBJ歷史級的強成這樣,這數據能評斷LBJ嗎?
Rosalind avatar
By Rosalind
at 2018-05-25T12:50
從統計打你臉就是你有辦法拿到一樣的樣本數嗎?
Emma avatar
By Emma
at 2018-05-26T11:49
推文真的是看到一群9.2%…事實上就是關鍵一擊給kobe
投,他大部分投不進…而且和聯盟中的明星球員比,他
關鍵一擊讓球隊贏球的能力只在中間。
Catherine avatar
By Catherine
at 2018-05-26T16:22
樣本數差兩倍還以爲自己好棒棒,真是很會用數據呢!
Wallis avatar
By Wallis
at 2018-05-29T05:08
另回某位噓文的…統計來說,到大樣本以後以樣本數來
戰不具統計學意義= =,除非是大樣本vs 小樣本
Anthony avatar
By Anthony
at 2018-05-31T22:16
那三分三投兩中的隨便球員就屌打curry歷史三分第一
Tracy avatar
By Tracy
at 2018-06-04T17:23
從數據看kobe 關鍵很弱,但只要進了,週邊價值多少
也提個數據吧
Hedda avatar
By Hedda
at 2018-06-09T12:23
如果是大樣本vs大樣本 舉例:一千球vs 二千球這種
戰樣本數差二倍根本不具統計學的差異= =
Anonymous avatar
By Anonymous
at 2018-06-11T06:40
%%%
Joseph avatar
By Joseph
at 2018-06-12T22:17
補血 仙迷無法提出站的住腳的理論 只能無差別噓
Iris avatar
By Iris
at 2018-06-13T06:57
可是這篇站不住啊啊啊啊
George avatar
By George
at 2018-06-17T17:32
看幾條瘋狗氣得跳腳 笑死
Olive avatar
By Olive
at 2018-06-21T16:24
優文作好多功課的科酸,還是科酸
Dora avatar
By Dora
at 2018-06-24T20:53
奇怪的點就是明明數據那麼差,球員教練選的還是Kobe
Connor avatar
By Connor
at 2018-06-27T21:25
可能NBA那些人他們都沒有科酸要來的懂籃球吧
Rosalind avatar
By Rosalind
at 2018-06-28T07:25
轉這廢文自己自慰就算了 還發出來嘴?
Carolina Franco avatar
By Carolina Franco
at 2018-06-29T10:42
純噓平常推文都在講垃圾話的
John avatar
By John
at 2018-06-30T16:41
講數據論統計 這些人就會抓狂 顧左右而言他
Irma avatar
By Irma
at 2018-07-04T17:22
你應該要慶幸kobe有拿球必投這個罩門 如果他會傳球
你還有得酸嗎?
Audriana avatar
By Audriana
at 2018-07-07T16:00
某位超會傳結果命中率好像差不多?
Donna avatar
By Donna
at 2018-07-12T03:04
整天數據數據,你又能證明為甚麼領高薪幫球隊運作的
Noah avatar
By Noah
at 2018-07-15T13:56
人會選擇那樣投票?
Frederic avatar
By Frederic
at 2018-07-18T03:55
這些數據球隊的分析員會不知道?與其說別人不如看看
自己也在整天跳針數據
Franklin avatar
By Franklin
at 2018-07-22T19:04
還打臉別人勒,你要不要去應徵的時候拿你這番言論去
說服別人看看能不能當上主管
Wallis avatar
By Wallis
at 2018-07-25T20:27
要數據5冠81送你簡單明瞭,自己慢慢酸吧
Robert avatar
By Robert
at 2018-07-30T04:23
啊你去應徵時根人家說我最會打鐵會上喔XDD
Jessica avatar
By Jessica
at 2018-08-03T22:07
這只是事實啊 貼出來就被打成科酸 老大還是有他該
捧的精神層面啊
Isabella avatar
By Isabella
at 2018-08-04T08:27
怎麼覺得一堆科迷不太懂老大的個性啊...
Freda avatar
By Freda
at 2018-08-09T05:33
內容不錯 但看到這ID只能噓了
Jacky avatar
By Jacky
at 2018-08-11T04:03
只要被酸就氣得跳腳 沒有球員是完美的 試著接受吧
John avatar
By John
at 2018-08-14T21:42
更何況還是有數據統計佐證的事實
Dinah avatar
By Dinah
at 2018-08-18T22:09
上色、原文和數據掩蓋不了你論點的瑕疵
Jacob avatar
By Jacob
at 2018-08-20T05:10
科酸就只是想酸啊事實還怕人說喔
Oscar avatar
By Oscar
at 2018-08-23T22:58
首先NBA本質是商業 英雄主義還是凌駕於團隊
Joe avatar
By Joe
at 2018-08-26T19:24
再來你覺得後人會看到5冠81 還是Melo或Paul的命中率
Zenobia avatar
By Zenobia
at 2018-08-31T02:48
最後你只是紮科迷草人然後打得很開心
Steve avatar
By Steve
at 2018-09-02T03:14
看完數據 還真的沒太低
Ina avatar
By Ina
at 2018-09-06T17:47
籃球不是數學算術比賽
Oscar avatar
By Oscar
at 2018-09-08T07:58
次數差這麼多也在比 會丟炸彈的成功率當然高 另外沒
有完成攻擊的也不會被紀錄 從數據真正發現的是交給k
obe至少他能成功做出最後一擊 而不是白白讓時間過去
而且說真的成功率並沒有相差到非常大
Ina avatar
By Ina
at 2018-09-10T10:31
從id就能知道這人素質 談這麼多幹嘛
Hedda avatar
By Hedda
at 2018-09-14T17:58
而且一看也知道是個不會打球 只會看數字的酸宅 幫QQ
Edith avatar
By Edith
at 2018-09-17T07:01
科比吃屎
Tom avatar
By Tom
at 2018-09-18T07:58
我是敵對總管也投Kobe啊 進了增加話題 沒進贏球
Joseph avatar
By Joseph
at 2018-09-20T22:40
平常在靠北5冠81分bj4 現在又說籃球不是數據比賽
毛真多
Noah avatar
By Noah
at 2018-09-23T09:12
辛苦囉
Gilbert avatar
By Gilbert
at 2018-09-27T21:13
老大永遠無法退休酸酸比迷迷還愛他
Harry avatar
By Harry
at 2018-09-29T06:09
原來老大還沒退休阿
Annie avatar
By Annie
at 2018-10-01T18:33
ID先噓
Anthony avatar
By Anthony
at 2018-10-05T02:32
幹 你名字好屌
Anthony avatar
By Anthony
at 2018-10-07T11:58
ID正確
Rebecca avatar
By Rebecca
at 2018-10-09T15:45
因為都他投當然最怕他 這很正常 至於呈現出來的效
Isla avatar
By Isla
at 2018-10-11T05:04
果沒那麼好也是事實
Jacky avatar
By Jacky
at 2018-10-16T01:12
現在也只能噓ID 其他的也反駁不了
Connor avatar
By Connor
at 2018-10-20T01:19
這篇文章也算客氣了 再加上斷腿期的數據只會更難看
Charlie avatar
By Charlie
at 2018-10-24T21:16
誰反駁不了 滑上去看我推文
Suhail Hany avatar
By Suhail Hany
at 2018-10-25T17:25
被猛攻一波 幫補
Edward Lewis avatar
By Edward Lewis
at 2018-10-26T11:06
哈哈哈 鍵盤數據哥ㄟ
Wallis avatar
By Wallis
at 2018-10-30T07:21
有數據推
Steve avatar
By Steve
at 2018-11-01T06:04
你真的很愛老大呢
Valerie avatar
By Valerie
at 2018-11-04T13:22
中肯
Mia avatar
By Mia
at 2018-11-06T21:47
說到跳針KSK真有臉講
Dorothy avatar
By Dorothy
at 2018-11-11T15:13
喔喔
Caitlin avatar
By Caitlin
at 2018-11-13T04:03
又來讓人森77惹
Valerie avatar
By Valerie
at 2018-11-16T15:08
雙a我同意你說把團隊效率低怪到kobe身上不對 那你可
以稍微列一下團隊根科的出手比例啊
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By Quanna
at 2018-11-19T08:37
Id必噓
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By Todd Johnson
at 2018-11-22T03:02
一堆無意義噓的 怎不敢回一篇來看看
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By Caitlin
at 2018-11-24T06:20
只能說nba就是個show,觀眾買票進場絕對是想看各隊主
將投最後一擊
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By Kristin
at 2018-11-24T20:22
噓好噓滿,科酸嘴臉都一個樣
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By Andrew
at 2018-11-27T16:35
aa你那是反駁? 關鍵時刻不就看柯比把人投掉 對友幫
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By Margaret
at 2018-11-28T15:37
他擋人也很少見 是要打什麼戰術? 隊友的功能就是搶
Jacky avatar
By Jacky
at 2018-12-03T05:33
板跟領麻繩而已
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By Rachel
at 2018-12-07T03:05
沒法說只是他的問題 但它的效率好壞 很明顯影響最大
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By Skylar Davis
at 2018-12-09T16:04
數據
Ivy avatar
By Ivy
at 2018-12-13T12:43
舊文的!但這篇其實有點出重點,即使KB的個人能力超強
但可預期性太高導致很容易知道要守誰!這種情況下還
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By Faithe
at 2018-12-17T06:27
能創造出手機會確實是能力的展現,但這種情況下的硬
投對球隊當然不會是好事
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By Daph Bay
at 2018-12-19T04:38
給總管投票我是覺得不牴觸,這種問題正常人都會想到
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By Jake
at 2018-12-23T02:00
是"最後一擊交給誰出手"而非"交給誰去組織"
KB創造出手機會的能力絕對是頂尖,投給他很正常

暴龍為甚麼季後賽都鳥鳥的

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By Dora
at 2017-04-21T22:05
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關於lbj

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By Elvira
at 2017-04-21T21:55
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Gallinari::我愛丹佛,我非常願意留在金塊

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By Valerie
at 2017-04-21T21:05
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灰熊扳回一城 馬刺教頭:像來野餐

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By Iris
at 2017-04-21T21:04
賴意文 第2戰賽後拍桌怒罵裁判,不僅讓曼菲斯灰熊菜鳥總教練David Fizdale聲名大噪,似乎也 激起了球隊的鬥志。今天(21日)回到主場後,灰熊以105比94擊敗聖安東尼奧馬刺,在 系列賽扳回一城,以1勝2敗落後馬刺。 不想落入0勝3敗劣勢,灰熊這場比賽跟馬刺比硬。Fizdale說:「這系列前8節比 ...

Russell Westbrook G2 一些有爭議的出手

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By Todd Johnson
at 2017-04-21T21:02
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