Is Kobe a top-10 all-time player? - NBA
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Why Kobe Bryant is not a top-10 all-time player
原文 http://tinyurl.com/hn6pqkg
By Kevin Pelton
http://sports.163.com/15/1130/13/B9M31GOM00051CA1.html
Kobe Bryant 宣布自己將在本賽季結束後正式退役,他的生涯將在第20個賽季
畫上句號。北美主流體育網站ESPN在總結 Kobe Bryant 生涯成就之餘也探討了一個
嚴肅話題,那就是 Kobe Bryant 的歷史地位,而專家 Kevin Pelton 通過列舉數據
,提出了 Kobe Bryant 難進歷史前10的觀點。全文編譯如下:
·勝利貢獻值:Kobe 排第15
Basketball Reference網站發明的勝利貢獻值(win shares)統計可以說是
最適合對比跨時代球員的數據。聯盟在1977-78賽季以後才開始統計失誤,
但Basketball Reference網站在統計勝利貢獻值時對這些以前沒有的數據統計
進行了模擬。
Kobe 的生涯勝利貢獻值總和為172.5,在本賽季結束後可能超越 Reggie Miller
(174.4),但這要寄望於他能及時提升效率,因為他本賽季反讓他的總和減少了0.6。
·冠軍預估貢獻:Kobe 排第20
光看勝利貢獻值,像 Kobe 和 Miller 這樣職業生涯相當長久的球員更有優勢。
而假如把單季勝利貢獻值與球隊奪冠概率聯系起來,可以得出冠軍預估貢獻值。
而在這項統計上,Kobe(1.01)排在第20位,落後於 Larry Bird(1.05),
在 Moses Malone 之前。歷史第一的 Wilton Chamberlain 勝利貢獻值為247.3,
冠軍預估貢獻值為3.82。
·Kobe 為何在高級數據統計中不占優勢?
Kobe 生涯中,勝利貢獻值最高的一個賽季在2005-06賽季,但在NBA歷史上
也只排第102,還不如上賽季的 Stephen Curry。而他在當季的PER值也只排歷史第56
,而他生涯中最高WARP值(Wins Above Replacement Player,指在相等的出場時間,
一名球員為球隊帶來的勝利,比相同位置的球員差多少)為2002-03賽季的20.4,
在歷史排第72。
而在ESPN網站研發的真實正負效率值(從2000-01賽季起開始統計)中,Kobe
也相當悲慘。他的單季最高值是2007-08賽季的每100回合+6.3,在所有統計紀錄中
排第80。
在真實投籃命中率上,Kobe 的最高值是2006-07賽季的58.0%,比 Michael Jordan
生涯中7個賽季都要低,也比 LeBron James 生涯中的7個賽季都低,而生涯稍短的
Kevin Durant 也有5個賽季比 Kobe 的最高值都高。
除此之外,Kobe 在籃板和助攻上的貢獻也並不出彩,他的防守數據也並不頂尖
,因此他的效率只能從得分上體現。
·定論
Kobe 的偉大都跟他在湖人的五個總冠軍有關,但那是團隊的成功,而非他個人,
但必須承認的是,Kobe 在季後賽中的效率應該被認可。在季後賽勝利貢獻值總和上,
Kobe 排名歷史第8,所以綜合評判他的生涯,肯定不會只在第20名,但進前10仍然
非常困難。
Kobe 只拿過一次常規賽MVP,歷史上有12位球員都拿過不止一次。
就算他在2005-06賽季應該獲獎,但他2007-08賽季拿到此獎也有“終身成就獎”
的味道,Kevin Garnett 和 Chris Paul 都是更強力的競爭者。而在其生涯得到了
MVP票選比例數據數據中,Kobe 僅排第11位。
考慮到這些因素,我最終決定把 Kobe 的歷史地位定在第15名左右,上升或下調
一名則要看你如何衡量季後賽和常規賽的表現。但要論歷史前10,Kobe 的成就還差了
一些。
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原文 http://tinyurl.com/hn6pqkg
By Kevin Pelton
http://sports.163.com/15/1130/13/B9M31GOM00051CA1.html
Kobe Bryant 宣布自己將在本賽季結束後正式退役,他的生涯將在第20個賽季
畫上句號。北美主流體育網站ESPN在總結 Kobe Bryant 生涯成就之餘也探討了一個
嚴肅話題,那就是 Kobe Bryant 的歷史地位,而專家 Kevin Pelton 通過列舉數據
,提出了 Kobe Bryant 難進歷史前10的觀點。全文編譯如下:
·勝利貢獻值:Kobe 排第15
Basketball Reference網站發明的勝利貢獻值(win shares)統計可以說是
最適合對比跨時代球員的數據。聯盟在1977-78賽季以後才開始統計失誤,
但Basketball Reference網站在統計勝利貢獻值時對這些以前沒有的數據統計
進行了模擬。
Kobe 的生涯勝利貢獻值總和為172.5,在本賽季結束後可能超越 Reggie Miller
(174.4),但這要寄望於他能及時提升效率,因為他本賽季反讓他的總和減少了0.6。
·冠軍預估貢獻:Kobe 排第20
光看勝利貢獻值,像 Kobe 和 Miller 這樣職業生涯相當長久的球員更有優勢。
而假如把單季勝利貢獻值與球隊奪冠概率聯系起來,可以得出冠軍預估貢獻值。
而在這項統計上,Kobe(1.01)排在第20位,落後於 Larry Bird(1.05),
在 Moses Malone 之前。歷史第一的 Wilton Chamberlain 勝利貢獻值為247.3,
冠軍預估貢獻值為3.82。
·Kobe 為何在高級數據統計中不占優勢?
Kobe 生涯中,勝利貢獻值最高的一個賽季在2005-06賽季,但在NBA歷史上
也只排第102,還不如上賽季的 Stephen Curry。而他在當季的PER值也只排歷史第56
,而他生涯中最高WARP值(Wins Above Replacement Player,指在相等的出場時間,
一名球員為球隊帶來的勝利,比相同位置的球員差多少)為2002-03賽季的20.4,
在歷史排第72。
而在ESPN網站研發的真實正負效率值(從2000-01賽季起開始統計)中,Kobe
也相當悲慘。他的單季最高值是2007-08賽季的每100回合+6.3,在所有統計紀錄中
排第80。
在真實投籃命中率上,Kobe 的最高值是2006-07賽季的58.0%,比 Michael Jordan
生涯中7個賽季都要低,也比 LeBron James 生涯中的7個賽季都低,而生涯稍短的
Kevin Durant 也有5個賽季比 Kobe 的最高值都高。
除此之外,Kobe 在籃板和助攻上的貢獻也並不出彩,他的防守數據也並不頂尖
,因此他的效率只能從得分上體現。
·定論
Kobe 的偉大都跟他在湖人的五個總冠軍有關,但那是團隊的成功,而非他個人,
但必須承認的是,Kobe 在季後賽中的效率應該被認可。在季後賽勝利貢獻值總和上,
Kobe 排名歷史第8,所以綜合評判他的生涯,肯定不會只在第20名,但進前10仍然
非常困難。
Kobe 只拿過一次常規賽MVP,歷史上有12位球員都拿過不止一次。
就算他在2005-06賽季應該獲獎,但他2007-08賽季拿到此獎也有“終身成就獎”
的味道,Kevin Garnett 和 Chris Paul 都是更強力的競爭者。而在其生涯得到了
MVP票選比例數據數據中,Kobe 僅排第11位。
考慮到這些因素,我最終決定把 Kobe 的歷史地位定在第15名左右,上升或下調
一名則要看你如何衡量季後賽和常規賽的表現。但要論歷史前10,Kobe 的成就還差了
一些。
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