Harden到底做錯了什麼 - NBA
By Iris
at 2016-04-22T11:49
at 2016-04-22T11:49
Table of Contents
※ 引述《linttl12 (linttl12)》之銘言:
: James Harden的防守雖然時常為人詬病
: 但從進階數據來看
: 他的DBPM(Defensive Box Plus/Minus)卻沒有想像中來得差
: 從他大放異彩的2011年開始看 然後比較同時期的新生代球星
: DBPM Harden Durant Curry Rose Kawhi
: 2010-11 -0.6 -0.8 -1.6 +0.1 -----
: 2011-12 -1.1 +0.5 -1.3 -0.6 +2.3
: 2012-13 +0.1 +1.4 -0.9 ---- +2.5
: 2013-14 -0.5 +0.4 +0.0 -2.3 +3.4
: 2014-15 +1.0 -0.2 +0.3 -2.3 +3.5
: 2015-16 -0.4 +0.9 +0.1 -2.1 +2.8
: 當然有人會說這個數據多多少少會受到整體團隊的防守能力影響
: 可是Rose當年的公牛隊可是聯盟數一數二的防守強隊
: 但他個人的DBPM卻幾乎年年都在負質
: 然而Harden最差的一年其實也不過才-1.1
我上BR官網看了一下DBPM這東西
http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/bpm.html
第一行他就跟你說
"Box Plus/Minus (BPM) is a box score-based metric for evaluating basketball
players' quality and contribution to the team."
所以基本上這個數據是不看球賽內容的
後面的統計怎麼跑,正確性如何,說真的我沒有興趣知道
雖然數據化是主流、某種程度來說也比較客觀
但籃球畢竟不像棒球,棒球是一個個PLAY構成的,籃球的PLAY都是連續的
要如何把變項從時間軸當中獨立出來就是個大問題
所以個人覺得單就BPM這個數據的客觀性,可能要打個問號
最好的方法當然是把每個防守PLAY一個個抓出來檢視
但是人們在剪輯Harden不防守HIGHLIGHT的時候,常常會只抓壞的不抓好的
然後壞的部分被放大,就成為既定印象了
至於到底該如何評價Harden(或任何一個人)的防守
要有什麼客觀標準,以籃球的規則我是覺得不太可能
所以就連現在最佳防守球員都是記者投票選出來的
只能說目前的途徑還是:
每個人主觀評價→多數人共識→媒體活動的評價再製→再影響
--
: James Harden的防守雖然時常為人詬病
: 但從進階數據來看
: 他的DBPM(Defensive Box Plus/Minus)卻沒有想像中來得差
: 從他大放異彩的2011年開始看 然後比較同時期的新生代球星
: DBPM Harden Durant Curry Rose Kawhi
: 2010-11 -0.6 -0.8 -1.6 +0.1 -----
: 2011-12 -1.1 +0.5 -1.3 -0.6 +2.3
: 2012-13 +0.1 +1.4 -0.9 ---- +2.5
: 2013-14 -0.5 +0.4 +0.0 -2.3 +3.4
: 2014-15 +1.0 -0.2 +0.3 -2.3 +3.5
: 2015-16 -0.4 +0.9 +0.1 -2.1 +2.8
: 當然有人會說這個數據多多少少會受到整體團隊的防守能力影響
: 可是Rose當年的公牛隊可是聯盟數一數二的防守強隊
: 但他個人的DBPM卻幾乎年年都在負質
: 然而Harden最差的一年其實也不過才-1.1
我上BR官網看了一下DBPM這東西
http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/bpm.html
第一行他就跟你說
"Box Plus/Minus (BPM) is a box score-based metric for evaluating basketball
players' quality and contribution to the team."
所以基本上這個數據是不看球賽內容的
後面的統計怎麼跑,正確性如何,說真的我沒有興趣知道
雖然數據化是主流、某種程度來說也比較客觀
但籃球畢竟不像棒球,棒球是一個個PLAY構成的,籃球的PLAY都是連續的
要如何把變項從時間軸當中獨立出來就是個大問題
所以個人覺得單就BPM這個數據的客觀性,可能要打個問號
最好的方法當然是把每個防守PLAY一個個抓出來檢視
但是人們在剪輯Harden不防守HIGHLIGHT的時候,常常會只抓壞的不抓好的
然後壞的部分被放大,就成為既定印象了
至於到底該如何評價Harden(或任何一個人)的防守
要有什麼客觀標準,以籃球的規則我是覺得不太可能
所以就連現在最佳防守球員都是記者投票選出來的
只能說目前的途徑還是:
每個人主觀評價→多數人共識→媒體活動的評價再製→再影響
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