Dirk是不是打球醜但是超猛的代表? - NBA

Gary avatar
By Gary
at 2017-02-08T19:00

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※ 引述《ChrisDavis (工業電風扇)》之銘言:
: Dirk縱橫籃壇也快二十年了
: 魯蛇從以前看到現在,這個白色德國大個,打球姿勢各種不協調,運球看起來也是怪怪

: 尤其司機手長腳長的看起來更明顯
: 但是就是可以靠一招踢腳後仰吃爆全聯盟
: 投籃姿勢根本也不是一般人學得起來的那種
: Dirk是不是打球醜可是超猛的代表?


原po
這就是你的不對了痾
我從1999年看dirk打球
一開始覺得他投籃姿勢真的不協調
把金雞獨立跟後仰結合真的很詭異~
但是再看幾場後發現
這金髮蓬鬆的高個子猛阿!!!

不取巧不走步,正面硬吃你
攻擊範圍接近三分線
穩定度還高的嚇人
那招唯一的破解方法是有人從後側搧鍋
可dirk身材高
這樣賠上犯規機率蠻高的

nba悠久的歷史看下來
獨門無解武器沒幾個
dirk後仰跳投絕對名列其中之一
而這招更是在11年到達高峰


等等
你說姿勢詭異?
殺遍全聯盟就是帥氣
怎樣詭異就是帥,懂?


同場加映
詹皇的坦克切入
還真的毫無美感可言
但他曾經也是聯盟無解武器之一
就是帥
唯一的破綻是詹皇會多走幾步

不過相比較下
依舊是dirk完勝

因為這坦克切入會隨時間極速下滑
而且傷敵100自損50
還容易有走步

今年32歲的詹皇
坦克切入已退化成吉普車切入
再過兩年
就剩下Altis切入了吧……


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Tags: NBA

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Hardy avatar
By Hardy
at 2017-02-12T17:56
推altis切
Daniel avatar
By Daniel
at 2017-02-14T15:55
金身算破綻? 那MJ應該也蠻多了吧? 怪NBA才對吧?
Suhail Hany avatar
By Suhail Hany
at 2017-02-18T01:54
神A切入XDDD
Bethany avatar
By Bethany
at 2017-02-22T07:25
推,altis切入XD
Jake avatar
By Jake
at 2017-02-25T18:25
最後一句 哈哈哈
Odelette avatar
By Odelette
at 2017-03-01T03:01
我猜東冠開始 喇叭詹又要開始低位單打模式了
Emily avatar
By Emily
at 2017-03-05T23:54
Dirk打球越看越舒服
Connor avatar
By Connor
at 2017-03-10T18:16
黑我大altis不能忍
Dora avatar
By Dora
at 2017-03-13T00:58
應該不能叫切入.要叫走入
James avatar
By James
at 2017-03-14T08:04
他還有天龍步伐,這不擔心
Poppy avatar
By Poppy
at 2017-03-18T19:14
推阿提斯切
Ula avatar
By Ula
at 2017-03-22T01:33
司機投籃時整體看起來就很軟Q
Dora avatar
By Dora
at 2017-03-23T10:55
大B切入正夯
Regina avatar
By Regina
at 2017-03-28T00:49
altis切入XDDDDD
Mary avatar
By Mary
at 2017-03-28T20:59
ㄎㄎ
Una avatar
By Una
at 2017-04-01T03:15
那有大7切入嗎
Frederica avatar
By Frederica
at 2017-04-04T20:26
altis切入XDDDDDDD
Daph Bay avatar
By Daph Bay
at 2017-04-07T12:42
LBJ低位也算常用,怎麼沒什麼人記得
Donna avatar
By Donna
at 2017-04-07T21:35
XDDDDD
Dora avatar
By Dora
at 2017-04-09T06:47
大7切入vs阿提斯切入 樓下支援圖
Oscar avatar
By Oscar
at 2017-04-11T13:31
從不覺得Dirk醜
Tracy avatar
By Tracy
at 2017-04-13T18:05
altis切入哈哈哈哈 原po怨念很深?
Necoo avatar
By Necoo
at 2017-04-18T12:49
司機打球真的不醜啊,為什麼有人會有這種疑問
Delia avatar
By Delia
at 2017-04-20T01:50
我覺得打球醜的是PP那種 雖然也蠻喜歡他的XD
Yedda avatar
By Yedda
at 2017-04-24T13:20
有Griffin 可以正面蓋 樓下支援影片
Callum avatar
By Callum
at 2017-04-28T22:48
推,科科
Tracy avatar
By Tracy
at 2017-04-30T23:15
Altis哪裡得罪妳了XD
Valerie avatar
By Valerie
at 2017-05-05T11:17
遇到大B就完了
Odelette avatar
By Odelette
at 2017-05-09T03:37
神A神A
Joseph avatar
By Joseph
at 2017-05-11T13:39
5年前的LBJ大概就大7切入了吧
Rebecca avatar
By Rebecca
at 2017-05-13T18:07
LBJ打球到底哪裡醜 很霸氣r
Zenobia avatar
By Zenobia
at 2017-05-13T22:56
根本帥慘好嗎 尤其是追魂鍋
Gary avatar
By Gary
at 2017-05-17T17:07
就是要有點頓頓的才好看啊…mj那樣太順了
Todd Johnson avatar
By Todd Johnson
at 2017-05-18T21:18
比那兩篇還廢
Brianna avatar
By Brianna
at 2017-05-20T10:01
39歲就剩腳踏車切入了
Connor avatar
By Connor
at 2017-05-24T21:07
XDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Emily avatar
By Emily
at 2017-05-29T07:34
Altis哈哈哈
Xanthe avatar
By Xanthe
at 2017-05-30T19:10
你...不錯!
Ursula avatar
By Ursula
at 2017-06-01T03:18
哪時變BWS
Yedda avatar
By Yedda
at 2017-06-01T12:22
神A你也敢嘴
Selena avatar
By Selena
at 2017-06-06T02:15
altis切入也太看不起人了,lbj 再退化也很耐撞啊XD
Daniel avatar
By Daniel
at 2017-06-09T18:38
那有沒有lexus切入?
Kumar avatar
By Kumar
at 2017-06-11T06:23
Altis 太靠北啦 至少也是雙B牌吧沒那麼脆XDDD
Olivia avatar
By Olivia
at 2017-06-16T05:27
http://rebrn.com/re/blake-griffin-blocks-dirks-s
ignature-fadeaway-607231/
靠忘了縮
Emily avatar
By Emily
at 2017-06-18T06:35
https://goo.gl/pRPlRR
Aaliyah avatar
By Aaliyah
at 2017-06-19T06:37
想到我家之前的老車 toyota切入
Kelly avatar
By Kelly
at 2017-06-20T22:22
不管醜不醜,這種姿勢就已經吃掉一堆人了
James avatar
By James
at 2017-06-23T09:02
再過幾年變成march切入?
Blanche avatar
By Blanche
at 2017-06-27T07:16
XDDDDDD 好歹也先變大7切入吧
Charlie avatar
By Charlie
at 2017-06-27T08:37
退役前就變腳踏車切入了
Kelly avatar
By Kelly
at 2017-06-27T22:48
\神A/\神A/\神A/\神A/ !!!
Isabella avatar
By Isabella
at 2017-07-01T12:34
再幾年會變成馬三切入嗎XDDD
Hedwig avatar
By Hedwig
at 2017-07-03T05:07
沒梗
Hedy avatar
By Hedy
at 2017-07-06T13:58
什麼時候變垃圾菌切入
Olga avatar
By Olga
at 2017-07-08T12:26
altis切入XDDDDD
Franklin avatar
By Franklin
at 2017-07-11T13:16
dirk就弱版的kd
Isla avatar
By Isla
at 2017-07-12T06:36
推阿提斯切入
Harry avatar
By Harry
at 2017-07-15T18:40
影片那球 他根本沒跳起來XDD
Sandy avatar
By Sandy
at 2017-07-19T06:58
altis切入哈哈哈
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By Barb Cronin
at 2017-07-21T11:59
軌道車切入
Ivy avatar
By Ivy
at 2017-07-25T15:43
altis切,XD
Lily avatar
By Lily
at 2017-07-28T23:41
坦克再怎麼樣都不會變成Altis 力量又不會衰退
Ivy avatar
By Ivy
at 2017-07-31T02:39
這根本幫ALT想梗.......
Ivy avatar
By Ivy
at 2017-08-04T21:04
再老就捷安特切入
William avatar
By William
at 2017-08-06T07:23
LBJ只是季賽留力輕鬆打 季後需要照樣坦克切豆腐啦
Lily avatar
By Lily
at 2017-08-09T12:32
altis的站出來啊
Caroline avatar
By Caroline
at 2017-08-12T01:14
再兩年是國產車切入嗎
Margaret avatar
By Margaret
at 2017-08-16T19:09
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Puput avatar
By Puput
at 2017-08-18T14:31
40歲是CUXI切入?!
Christine avatar
By Christine
at 2017-08-19T03:24
現階段 還是大七切入~~~
Suhail Hany avatar
By Suhail Hany
at 2017-08-21T03:40
噓 說弱版KD的那位
William avatar
By William
at 2017-08-25T17:47
他姿勢哪會詭異…………不太懂
Andy avatar
By Andy
at 2017-08-28T20:08
你這梗馬上會被ALT偷走
Damian avatar
By Damian
at 2017-08-30T21:51
推Altis切入,XD
Elvira avatar
By Elvira
at 2017-09-01T04:42
要被偷梗了啦
Kristin avatar
By Kristin
at 2017-09-03T01:10
Altis切入很猛耶XDDD
William avatar
By William
at 2017-09-05T21:35
XDDDD 註明板權 不然會被抄
Rachel avatar
By Rachel
at 2017-09-09T11:18
神車你敢嘴?
Selena avatar
By Selena
at 2017-09-12T14:53
可能晚上ALT就有神A切入哏了
Hedda avatar
By Hedda
at 2017-09-17T13:55
神A你敢嘴?
Irma avatar
By Irma
at 2017-09-20T04:12
XDDDD
Robert avatar
By Robert
at 2017-09-21T06:27
XDDDDDDDDDDD
Olive avatar
By Olive
at 2017-09-22T15:26
XDDD
Audriana avatar
By Audriana
at 2017-09-22T18:37
原po從頭到尾都沒有說Dirk不強
Kumar avatar
By Kumar
at 2017-09-24T12:48
再過兩年gogoro切入
Brianna avatar
By Brianna
at 2017-09-27T06:40
再過兩年捷安特切
Ida avatar
By Ida
at 2017-09-30T11:58
現在是馬3的時代謝謝
Sandy avatar
By Sandy
at 2017-10-01T23:41
在總冠電爆LBJ的男人!推
Erin avatar
By Erin
at 2017-10-03T12:38
<<<< ALT快來偷梗XDD >>>>
Selena avatar
By Selena
at 2017-10-05T09:00
姆斯撞不出效果了 之前還能東撞西撞 現在看裁判賞臉
Puput avatar
By Puput
at 2017-10-06T12:41
力量不會衰退? 機器人嗎
Adele avatar
By Adele
at 2017-10-10T06:20
推走入
Rebecca avatar
By Rebecca
at 2017-10-13T03:51
瞧不起神A嗎XDD
目前應該是馬三啦
Callum avatar
By Callum
at 2017-10-17T05:36
神A你敢嘴 看我詹用神A還是撞翻你 哼哼
Mia avatar
By Mia
at 2017-10-21T12:51
多走幾步哪是破綻 走了又不會被吹
Jacob avatar
By Jacob
at 2017-10-26T05:45
toyota:
Madame avatar
By Madame
at 2017-10-26T16:10
你是瞧不起神A囉
Gilbert avatar
By Gilbert
at 2017-10-28T07:21
推阿題斯切入
Cara avatar
By Cara
at 2017-10-28T21:03
Rose是Ford切入
Jacob avatar
By Jacob
at 2017-10-30T17:45
萬轉鴨切入 巴姆斯巴假的
Jacob avatar
By Jacob
at 2017-11-03T03:48
Alt又在虎視眈眈準備偷梗了
Ursula avatar
By Ursula
at 2017-11-06T23:41
明年只剩Tercel切入 還是1.3的
Tracy avatar
By Tracy
at 2017-11-11T17:23
司機姿勢真的不醜又超好用
Charlie avatar
By Charlie
at 2017-11-16T10:45
推最後一句!! Dirk後仰跳投、側運擺脫跳投、甚至
Selena avatar
By Selena
at 2017-11-20T03:07
多次假動作後的多拍跳投都頗難守好嗎
完全不懂姆斯天分那麼好 只要數據不多練球技是幹嘛
Noah avatar
By Noah
at 2017-11-22T19:00
因為姆斯蠻腦子只想著怎婊人 跟組隊
Hardy avatar
By Hardy
at 2017-11-27T18:23
神車還是很猛
Selena avatar
By Selena
at 2017-12-01T12:51
lbj難守在你不知道他下一步 之後還有幾步
Jack avatar
By Jack
at 2017-12-02T20:00
神A切入
Lucy avatar
By Lucy
at 2017-12-07T17:43
最後一句 神a切入XDDDDDD
Lucy avatar
By Lucy
at 2017-12-12T13:36
https://youtu.be/m9M30ch_OvQ 我皇演技已爐火純青
Rosalind avatar
By Rosalind
at 2017-12-16T03:02
40歲變MANY切入嗎XDDD
Franklin avatar
By Franklin
at 2017-12-21T02:52
笑死哈哈哈哈
Kelly avatar
By Kelly
at 2017-12-23T16:21
那影片每次看每次爆笑 演技比體能球還要引人注目XD
Vanessa avatar
By Vanessa
at 2017-12-28T01:48
神串留名
Carol avatar
By Carol
at 2017-12-30T20:37
Altis哪裡得罪你了?
Anonymous avatar
By Anonymous
at 2018-01-04T13:38
115樓的女主播激凸了,該不會沒穿吧
Cara avatar
By Cara
at 2018-01-05T17:33
60歲不就迴力車切入
Tristan Cohan avatar
By Tristan Cohan
at 2018-01-10T13:07
要說醜,KD打法也沒多好看,手長腳長看起來像節肢
動物不過還是很強阿
Candice avatar
By Candice
at 2018-01-15T09:22
幹超好笑哈哈哈
Franklin avatar
By Franklin
at 2018-01-15T13:38
你是專程來秀Altis切入的吧哈哈哈哈
Franklin avatar
By Franklin
at 2018-01-17T23:03
什麼時候會變裕隆切入
Kyle avatar
By Kyle
at 2018-01-21T07:27
看成Artest切入
Kumar avatar
By Kumar
at 2018-01-25T15:21
有笑有推
Gary avatar
By Gary
at 2018-01-27T18:31
不是Gogoro切喔XDD
Freda avatar
By Freda
at 2018-02-01T10:19
Altis再過幾年變成Yaris小鴨鴨切入..
Odelette avatar
By Odelette
at 2018-02-04T13:55
強者基本上是不醜的,強可以蓋過醜
Jacob avatar
By Jacob
at 2018-02-09T13:19
我皇五項數據王不解釋
Edith avatar
By Edith
at 2018-02-10T10:07
james的體能現在還是很猛吧...昨天對巫師不是有紮
紮實實顏扣一球 聯盟沒幾個人作的到吧
Margaret avatar
By Margaret
at 2018-02-13T06:59
請正名姆咪蹦蹦跳
Isla avatar
By Isla
at 2018-02-18T03:02
再這麼說滿身裝甲,也該是volvo切入
Valerie avatar
By Valerie
at 2018-02-18T23:58
賣高RRRR
Dinah avatar
By Dinah
at 2018-02-19T05:15
Altis切入
Damian avatar
By Damian
at 2018-02-21T17:07
說弱版KD的頭腦有事嗎XD
Cara avatar
By Cara
at 2018-02-25T22:36
神A切入XDDDD
Christine avatar
By Christine
at 2018-02-28T04:01
廢文也爆
George avatar
By George
at 2018-03-04T14:23
扣掉走步 lbj一個上擋就輾進去 真的很帥啊
Kama avatar
By Kama
at 2018-03-06T23:42
Bethany avatar
By Bethany
at 2018-03-10T10:40
柯瑞這麼醜又那麼娘都有人捧 史詩級後仰說醜?
Victoria avatar
By Victoria
at 2018-03-11T21:06
你只是想酸altis吧...
Delia avatar
By Delia
at 2018-03-14T07:29
...
Ina avatar
By Ina
at 2018-03-14T21:11
廢文
Rebecca avatar
By Rebecca
at 2018-03-17T14:10
司機投三分,那姿勢和弧度真是漂亮
Linda avatar
By Linda
at 2018-03-22T04:06
那LBJ幾年後在場上暈船怎麼辦
Yedda avatar
By Yedda
at 2018-03-26T12:32
沒差,打輸了再組新的隊就好了
Elvira avatar
By Elvira
at 2018-03-31T06:43
純噓神A,40歲在差至少有馬三水準
Ula avatar
By Ula
at 2018-04-01T17:46
司機頭髮蓬鬆???
Anonymous avatar
By Anonymous
at 2018-04-01T21:03
到時候ALT偷梗變成ALTis切入
Adele avatar
By Adele
at 2018-04-05T03:18
推殺遍聯盟就是帥氣
Dorothy avatar
By Dorothy
at 2018-04-05T20:31
是在爆什麼 鄉民笑點這麼低?
Todd Johnson avatar
By Todd Johnson
at 2018-04-09T07:15
有人玻璃心囉
Caroline avatar
By Caroline
at 2018-04-11T01:25
雖然是德佬迷也覺得醜,可是不得不說 ,他的投球方
式是投籃教科書 ,出手方面還有手腕應用
Dinah avatar
By Dinah
at 2018-04-12T07:42
都是
Necoo avatar
By Necoo
at 2018-04-15T20:59
他的手應用真的很美 XD
Skylar DavisLinda avatar
By Skylar DavisLinda
at 2018-04-18T08:51
捷安特切入
Rebecca avatar
By Rebecca
at 2018-04-18T22:29
推最後一句 笑死
Blanche avatar
By Blanche
at 2018-04-20T08:04
現在慢慢變悍馬車切入 快退休變RangeRover切入
Queena avatar
By Queena
at 2018-04-23T02:54
Dirk無解投籃真的很帥
Iris avatar
By Iris
at 2018-04-27T08:14
光小詹的切入大角傳球 就是絕活了 視野超好
Susan avatar
By Susan
at 2018-04-28T18:52
alt有新梗可以用了
Todd Johnson avatar
By Todd Johnson
at 2018-05-03T11:41
呵呵再怎麼樣酸也擋不了他的成就累積
Megan avatar
By Megan
at 2018-05-05T17:14
哈哈哈超好笑
Charlotte avatar
By Charlotte
at 2018-05-10T16:48
XDDD
Connor avatar
By Connor
at 2018-05-12T08:45
不得不說詹皇的切入破壞性差頗多
Gary avatar
By Gary
at 2018-05-17T07:37
推德佬
Oliver avatar
By Oliver
at 2018-05-20T09:26
推比喻!不過等等有人要來偷梗了嗎
Lily avatar
By Lily
at 2018-05-21T20:02
BWS切入
Madame avatar
By Madame
at 2018-05-26T05:12
酸的很有創意 比無腦跳針的好太多
Zora avatar
By Zora
at 2018-05-30T07:20
你沒看打巫師那場 LBJ全身都無解 以你的觀點應該帥
爆了
Connor avatar
By Connor
at 2018-06-01T19:06
切什麼啦XD
Rosalind avatar
By Rosalind
at 2018-06-06T06:30
Yamaha 切入
Zora avatar
By Zora
at 2018-06-08T11:35
台灣神車你敢嘴
Hedda avatar
By Hedda
at 2018-06-11T22:57
雖然我是詹粉可是最後一句真的很好笑XD
Liam avatar
By Liam
at 2018-06-13T01:02
德佬 醜姿勢教學 XD
Vanessa avatar
By Vanessa
at 2018-06-14T12:50
仁梗王ALT快來仁現成梗喔~~~
Emily avatar
By Emily
at 2018-06-19T06:27
至少現在還是大7你懂屁XDDDDDDDD(稱讚意味)
Charlotte avatar
By Charlotte
at 2018-06-19T15:01
喇叭是大7切入嗎?
Isabella avatar
By Isabella
at 2018-06-23T01:51
U質
Selena avatar
By Selena
at 2018-06-25T13:54
小弟詹迷,推這篇XDDDDDDD
Anthony avatar
By Anthony
at 2018-06-28T02:20
神分C
James avatar
By James
at 2018-07-02T21:15
Altis切入真是神比喻!
Emily avatar
By Emily
at 2018-07-03T06:53
神A切!
Charlie avatar
By Charlie
at 2018-07-05T18:48
會不會有天變march
Wallis avatar
By Wallis
at 2018-07-07T00:35
笑了
Callum avatar
By Callum
at 2018-07-09T05:20
Altis切入是三小XDDDD
Dinah avatar
By Dinah
at 2018-07-12T20:30
最後剩Giant切入
Hazel avatar
By Hazel
at 2018-07-15T13:49
神a你敢嘴
Andrew avatar
By Andrew
at 2018-07-15T23:25
神A你敢嘴
Michael avatar
By Michael
at 2018-07-19T21:51
Valerie avatar
By Valerie
at 2018-07-23T17:18
再到更老一點就變成阿婆菜籃推車切入
Aaliyah avatar
By Aaliyah
at 2018-07-25T01:58
XDDDDD
Daniel avatar
By Daniel
at 2018-07-29T03:39
推altis 有梗
Gary avatar
By Gary
at 2018-08-01T01:14
蠻好笑的 XD
Isla avatar
By Isla
at 2018-08-03T01:24
捷安特切入
Robert avatar
By Robert
at 2018-08-05T19:00
先推Altis切入
Caitlin avatar
By Caitlin
at 2018-08-07T07:23
Dirk動作醜成那樣也能說帥
Damian avatar
By Damian
at 2018-08-10T04:04
Dora avatar
By Dora
at 2018-08-11T23:49
Edith avatar
By Edith
at 2018-08-12T05:07
XDDDDDD
Genevieve avatar
By Genevieve
at 2018-08-16T01:56
最後剩下賣場推車切入
Ivy avatar
By Ivy
at 2018-08-17T12:36
用這打的腿詹不要不要的
Andy avatar
By Andy
at 2018-08-21T21:43
Hedwig avatar
By Hedwig
at 2018-08-26T08:30

NBA》每天花多少時間整髮?林書豪親自解

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By Gilbert
at 2017-02-08T18:21
NBA》每天花多少時間整髮?林書豪親自解說 http://sports.ltn.com.tw/news/breakingnews/1968014 〔體育中心/綜合報導〕林書豪仍在療傷,最快要等到月底才有機會歸隊,這段時間他抽 空服務亞洲球迷,在微博上進行快問快答遊戲,分享他整理髮型的心得。 首先林書豪被 ...

Green在勇士扮演什麼角色?

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By Hedda
at 2017-02-08T17:50
雖然原PO應該是反串 但是其實標題講到重點 很多人 尤其是球隊的迷迷 好像都不太知道Green到底在場上做什麼 只知道他是四巨頭 打球有點髒 全能型 所以為了廣大的迷迷 在這邊來解釋一下 首先D. Green(PF/SF)算是一個體系球員 在勇士體系下面受惠者 但也是因為有他的存在 勇士體系才能夠打得 ...

馬刺牛仔客場長征展開 20天流浪11873公

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By Caitlin
at 2017-02-08T17:29
馬刺牛仔客場長征展開 20天流浪11873公里 http://www.appledaily.com.tw/realtimenews/article/new/20170208/1051394/ 從昨天客場輸給灰熊開始,馬刺又要展開一年一度的客場流浪長征,未來20天,馬刺還有 連7場客場要打,征途長達1187 ...

黑子的籃球與NBA合作

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By Dorothy
at 2017-02-08T17:06
※ 引述《dragon803 (wet)》之銘言: : ※ 引述《dragon803 (wet)》之銘言: : : 今天公布了奇蹟世代隊長赤司征十郎的 : : 結果竟然是湖人隊,看起來不是按照髮色啊 : : http://i.imgur.com/b6dlXrN.jpg : 第五彈,黃瀨涼太 : 金州勇士隊 : ...

LBJ打球是不是不好看?

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By Eartha
at 2017-02-08T17:04
剛剛看到那篇有人說Dirk打球不好看 想到就覺得蠻無言的 動作怎樣很重要嗎? 像公園國中生帥度100準度0分比較屌嗎? 難道他不知道Dirk有多準嗎?? 準名人堂球星給你這樣嘴的哦? 個人認為喇叭詹打球跟Dirk比起來才真的差很多 靠著一身肌肉硬是切入 也沒什麼技巧 更不要說美感了 只能用坦的 ...